30 point defenseman with disappointing shot suppression numbers. So, not really, he doesn't do either very well.
- Unholy_Goalie

Right, a guy like Gardiner who has amazing shot suppression numbers is obviously way better at defending!

- James Tanner

Gardiner is a different type of defender, in the sense that Gardiner doesn't really defend..
Trouba can play defense.. If the Jets want an offensively gifted D-Man for Trouba.. I think both teams would win the trade.

Trading Gardiner would almost certainly mean that Dermott would get more ice time
- PatC80

Find a top 2 without giving up Gards....probably cost us a real good forward...but that's the cost.

Probably not good trading partners unless we give up Nylander and make a bigger deal
- Garnie

I agree, that they do not match up as trading partners. As Ross pointed out, the Jets should be moving Myers out. But even that is challenging to do unless they have some certainty about Trouba. Trading Nylander - is unlikely, at least I hope it is, even though it may disappoint many Nucks fans. The Tanev for Matthews, Marner, Nylander and two non-protected firsts talks have died down. Thanks Carol.

Right, a guy like Gardiner who has amazing shot suppression numbers is obviously way better at defending!

- James Tanner
- Scabeh

https://public.tableau.com/profile/ryan.stimson#!/vizhome/shared/R8C8FR4T6

Let's not go after Trouba.

Let's pick a dman up at the deadline and then wait for Lillybust the season after.

I agree, that they do not match up as trading partners. As Ross pointed out, the Jets should be moving Myers out. But even that is challenging to do unless they have some certainty about Trouba. Trading Nylander - is unlikely, at least I hope it is, even though it may disappoint many Nucks fans. The Tanev for Matthews, Marner, Nylander and two non-protected firsts talks have died down. Thanks Carol.
- winsix

Carol probably cringes reading her comments section.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/ryan.stimson#!/vizhome/shared/R8C8FR4T6
- Unholy_Goalie

My god.

It's a miracle we still haven't traded them Jeff Petry for Jacob Trouba.

LOOK AT THOSE STATS.

Probably not good trading partners unless we give up Nylander and make a bigger deal
- Garnie

agree,

Find a top 2 without giving up Gards....probably cost us a real good forward...but that's the cost.
- Garnie

Karlsson.

If the Leafs are serious about getting a top pairing D, it's going to cost them something valuable. You can't expect teams to just give away top pairing D. There's one available, it's just a matter of paying the price. Rather pay that price on a two-time Norris winner than a 30 point D.

My god.
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It's a miracle we still haven't traded them Jeff Petry for Jacob Trouba.

LOOK AT THOSE STATS.
- Scabeh

You have a point (albeit a sarcastic one!) I think Trouba will be a fine player. He hasn't put up incredible numbers to this point. And don't forget that great deal that Chiapet made trading last years Hart winner for that defensive juggernaut on the Coilers that scored 13 points last year.

A player like Trouba is probably the missing piece for this team. I don't know what the Jets would want from Toronto, but it would probably be quite a bit.
- BetterCallSaul

The missing piece for this team would be decent referring.

Karlsson.

If the Leafs are serious about getting a top pairing D, it's going to cost them something valuable. You can't expect teams to just give away top pairing D. There's one available, it's just a matter of paying the price. Rather pay that price on a two-time Norris winner than a 30 point D.
- Unholy_Goalie

You have a point (albeit a sarcastic one!) I think Trouba will be a fine player. He hasn't put up incredible numbers to this point. And don't forget that great deal that Chiapet made trading last years Hart winner for that defensive juggernaut on the Coilers that scored 13 points last year.
- winsix

Would never trade Nylander for Trouba. That's got some serious backfire risk.

The missing piece for this team would be decent referring.
- bobbyisno1

Mid-day drinking has its merits.

Would never trade Nylander for Trouba. That's got some serious backfire risk.
- Unholy_Goalie

Neither would I

You have a point (albeit a sarcastic one!) I think Trouba will be a fine player. He hasn't put up incredible numbers to this point. And don't forget that great deal that Chiapet made trading last years Hart winner for that defensive juggernaut on the Coilers that scored 13 points last year.
- winsix

Considering the man gets barely any powerplay time, I think his production is fine. Especially when you add that he missed a considerable amount of games to injuries. I do expect/hope his productions ramps up next season.... it's about time it does.

I just hate when someone tries to tell me a player is bad at something and shows me a goddamn stat to prove his point. This tells you so little about his overall play or abilities. And when you look at players who, when you actually watch the goddamn game, are actually problematic and they have amazing numbers in said stat, it just demonstrates how you can't take a number out and make a whole conlusion.

Considering the man gets barely any powerplay time, I think his production is fine. Especially when you add that he missed a considerable amount of games to injuries. I do expect/hope his productions ramps up next season.... it's about time it does.

I just hate when someone tries to tell me a player is bad at something and shows me a goddamn stat to prove his point. This tells you so little about his overall play or abilities. And when you look at players who, when you actually watch the goddamn game, are actually problematic and they have amazing numbers in said stat, it just demonstrates how you can't take a number out and make a whole conlusion.
- Scabeh

That's not a good thing. He's played 5 seasons and missed a lot of games in 4 of them. For a guy who's suppose to be a defensive staple, his durability is questionable. You don't want your top shutdown guy missing a quarter of every season.

That's not a good thing. He's played 5 seasons and missed a lot of games in 4 of them. For a guy who's suppose to be a defensive staple, his durability is questionable. You don't want your top shutdown guy missing a quarter of every season.
- Unholy_Goalie

Good point

That's not a good thing. He's played 5 seasons and missed a lot of games in 4 of them. For a guy who's suppose to be a defensive staple, his durability is questionable. You don't want your top shutdown guy missing a quarter of every season.
- Unholy_Goalie

I agree that the recurrent injuries are problematic.

Good news is, the injuries are not the same problem repeating, so it could either mean the guy is injury prone, or has been unlucky for a few years.

And having injury problems takes nothing away from his ability to be a defensive staple or produce at a decent pace when he IS playing.

Ken Daneyko is the greatest dman of all time and his best season was 21 points.

I agree that the recurrent injuries are problematic.

Good news is, the injuries are not the same problem repeating, so it could either mean the guy is injury prone, or has been unlucky for a few years.

And having injury problems takes nothing away from his ability to be a defensive staple when he IS playing.
- Scabeh

You know what the problem with guys that are always injured is?






They are always injured.

I agree that the recurrent injuries are problematic.

Good news is, the injuries are not the same problem repeating, so it could either mean the guy is injury prone, or has been unlucky for a few years.

And having injury problems takes nothing away from his ability to be a defensive staple when he IS playing.
- Scabeh

I'm not sold on him. I think he's been filled with hype and potential since his draft day but it doesn't look like he's lived up to it, especially if he wants 7 million a year.

Considering the man gets barely any powerplay time, I think his production is fine. Especially when you add that he missed a considerable amount of games to injuries. I do expect/hope his productions ramps up next season.... it's about time it does.

I just hate when someone tries to tell me a player is bad at something and shows me a goddamn stat to prove his point. This tells you so little about his overall play or abilities. And when you look at players who, when you actually watch the goddamn game, are actually problematic and they have amazing numbers in said stat, it just demonstrates how you can't take a number out and make a whole conlusion.
- Scabeh

Which was exactly my point about Keon yesterday. Montreal was trying desperately to get him from the Leafs from 1962 on. In those days it was a rare case when a star player from Rouyn-Noranda got away. You can think that Patrice Bergeron is a great player - but you didn't know about Keon - every bit as good and then some.

- winsix

I don't believe the messaging here was direct enough

Which was exactly my point about Keon yesterday. Montreal was trying desperately to get him from the Leafs from 1962 on. In those days it was a rare case when a star player from Rouyn-Noranda got away. You can think that Patrice Bergeron is a great player - but you didn't know about Keon - every bit as good and then some.
- winsix

If Keon was still playing, I'd have other ways to evaluate his contribution, but i'll take your word for it since it's way before my time.