From Winnipeg.....knowing that guys like scheiffle, laine, and connor are obviously non-starters......there is nothing in between IMO.

nothing else there would be worth karlsson in terms of quality
- sensarmy_11

I would agree if Ottawa had tried to trade him last offseason. However, even with their facade of saying they want to keep him, Ottawa has given away any/all leverage they had. You never get full value for the best player in the trade, and given what's transpired recently in Ottawa, you're gonna get even less.

I would agree if Ottawa had tried to trade him last offseason. However, even with their facade of saying they want to keep him, Ottawa has given away any/all leverage they had. You never get full value for the best player in the trade, and given what's transpired recently in Ottawa, you're gonna get even less.
- jmatchett383

why? please explain what anything else has to do with the return for Karlsson? people keep saying that, and never have an answer when asked to justify.

it's a moot point anyways...karlsson wouldn't re-sign in Winnipeg so there is no trade there to be made....was just throwing something out there.

seeing as the people who thought it were crazy were the habs, leafs, and flyers fans....and the actual jets fan thought it was fair.....I must have been pretty close
- sensarmy_11

The only person who agreed with you was saying he'd be willing to give you Ehler...

But as you said, moot point from a complete fantasy.

if you're replying to me, I was saying that if karlsson isn't worth trouba and ehlers, then he must only be worth trouba and a plug.

not saying ehlers is a plug
- sensarmy_11

ok..thanks for clarifying..

why? please explain what anything else has to do with the return for Karlsson? people keep saying that, and never have an answer when asked to justify.
- sensarmy_11

no one has to pry him way from Ottawa with an overpayment offer, he is essentially a rental player. He needs to be traded and will go to the highest bid regardless of the value of the return. Ottawa further handicapped the value of the return by pairing his deal with Bobby Ryan.

His market for teams requires: a lot of cap space, good prospects and all draft picks in order, where Karlsson is likely to resign. This needs to happen while Ottawa is under the gun to move him with a dressing room that needs to rid itself of a poisoned captain.

why? please explain what anything else has to do with the return for Karlsson? people keep saying that, and never have an answer when asked to justify.
- sensarmy_11

Because teams know that Ottawa has to move him. If Ottawa truly had an option of resigning him, they would not be under any obligation to move him. Since that is not an option, it means that Ottawa can either trade him for a package or lose him for nothing. Since they likely don't want to lose him for nothing, the basically NEED to trade him, and every team knows this.

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend.

Edit: To simplify: If Ottawa could keep could keep him, which they'd likely prefer to do, and was under no obligation to trade him, then a team would have to completely blow them away for Ottawa to trade arguably the best d-man in the game. They'd require a massive overpayment. Since that is not the case, Ottawa simply has to take the best offer available.

Because teams know that Ottawa has to move him. If Ottawa truly had an option of resigning him, they would not be under any obligation to move him. Since that is not an option, it means that Ottawa can either trade him for a package or lose him for nothing. Since they likely don't want to lose him for nothing, the basically NEED to trade him, and every team knows this.

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend.

Edit: To simplify: If Ottawa could keep could keep him, which they'd likely prefer to do, and was under no obligation to trade him, then a team would have to completely blow them away for Ottawa to trade arguably the best d-man in the game. They'd require a massive overpayment. Since that is not the case, Ottawa simply has to take the best offer available.
- jmatchett383

every team knows this, but almost none of those teams have any chance at signing him as a UFA, so their only chance to get him is via trade.

Ottawa will get a very good return for karlsson......but since it wont' be from the jets i'll stop hi-jacking their thread with this conversation. just made a trade proposal for fun.

Because teams know that Ottawa has to move him. If Ottawa truly had an option of resigning him, they would not be under any obligation to move him. Since that is not an option, it means that Ottawa can either trade him for a package or lose him for nothing. Since they likely don't want to lose him for nothing, the basically NEED to trade him, and every team knows this.

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend.

Edit: To simplify: If Ottawa could keep could keep him, which they'd likely prefer to do, and was under no obligation to trade him, then a team would have to completely blow them away for Ottawa to trade arguably the best d-man in the game. They'd require a massive overpayment. Since that is not the case, Ottawa simply has to take the best offer available.
- jmatchett383

Yep, Ottawa needs to trade him while he is still under contract. I can't see Karlsson re-signing with Ottawa. Not after all the crap him and his wife have been through there. If he gets to UFA status and not traded, it is the Tavares situation all over again.

No, Trouba just asked for 7 for the purposes of an arbitration hearing. There is a difference, no one knows what the jets are offering or what Trouba is asking for long term
- Ross77

For sure, If he is willing to go 5.75M over 4-8 years, thats great. If 7 is his real number, then ship him off to Colorado for their Ottawa 1st rounder, guarenteed to be a high lottery chance. Plus if trouba is in the rear-view, then Wpg will have plenty of money to lock up everyone, including wheelers extension.

no one has to pry him way from Ottawa with an overpayment offer, he is essentially a rental player. He needs to be traded and will go to the highest bid regardless of the value of the return. Ottawa further handicapped the value of the return by pairing his deal with Bobby Ryan.

His market for teams requires: a lot of cap space, good prospects and all draft picks in order, where Karlsson is likely to resign. This needs to happen while Ottawa is under the gun to move him with a dressing room that needs to rid itself of a poisoned captain.
- 2.0

1. the point about Ryan is irrelevant as most "experts" have now said that most of the teams in the running for Karlsson are teams that can't take Ryan....so Ryan will be in Ottawa next year.

2. "poisoned captain"....no idea what that's supposed to mean. the guy is loved by his teammates and the fans....not sure what's poisoned about him.

1. the point about Ryan is irrelevant as most "experts" have now said that most of the teams in the running for Karlsson are teams that can't take Ryan....so Ryan will be in Ottawa next year.

2. "poisoned captain"....no idea what that's supposed to mean. the guy is loved by his teammates and the fans....not sure what's poisoned about him.
- sensarmy_11

Karlsson has been poisoned by recent well documented experiences on the Senators - he is not the poison.

1. the point about Ryan is irrelevant as most "experts" have now said that most of the teams in the running for Karlsson are teams that can't take Ryan....so Ryan will be in Ottawa next year.

2. "poisoned captain"....no idea what that's supposed to mean. the guy is loved by his teammates and the fans....not sure what's poisoned about him.
- sensarmy_11

He said poisoned, not poison.

Karlsson has been poisoned by recent well documented experiences on the Senators - he is not the poison.
- 2.0

ah, my bad....misunderstood.

the team traded away the cause of those experiences........but given that melnyk is still there, I think they'll have a hard time re-signing him. I still don't think it has an effect on his trade value though.

ah, my bad....misunderstood.

the team traded away the cause of those experiences........but given that melnyk is still there, I think they'll have a hard time re-signing him. I still don't think it has an effect on his trade value though.
- sensarmy_11

FWIW, I actually feel bad for Ottawa fans. You guys are stuck with a terrible owner who cares nothing about the team at all. Dorion's not the greatest GM in the world, either. You guys deserve better.

FWIW, I actually feel bad for Ottawa fans. You guys are stuck with a terrible owner who cares nothing about the team at all. Dorion's not the greatest GM in the world, either. You guys deserve better.
- jmatchett383

yeah, its' rough right now.

I do think that Dorion isn't as bad as he seems. Melnyk is clearly the one making decisions on that team.......he has no money and the sens are his only source of income (where most sports owners have several other businesses to run).....so he's broke and has lot's of time on his hands = he micromanages the poop out of his GM.

I think if Dorion had a less engaged owner he'd be a better GM......not great, but certainly better than he's been the last year or so

yeah, its' rough right now.

I do think that Dorion isn't as bad as he seems. Melnyk is clearly the one making decisions on that team.......he has no money and the sens are his only source of income (where most sports owners have several other businesses to run).....so he's broke and has lot's of time on his hands = he micromanages the poop out of his GM.

I think if Dorion had a less engaged owner he'd be a better GM......not great, but certainly better than he's been the last year or so
- sensarmy_11

The downfall of many upper managers in any type of business is micromanaging. If you are micro managing someone, you don't need that person. It is impossible for this type of personality to empower employees, they can't let go, so they micro manage and end up in the crapper in the long run.

You're welcome.


- Scabeh

That's not a hit! Trouba is trying to swat a fly he saw over the Dallas guys head, as can clearly be seen by the Dallas guy ducking.

This photo is funny because it appears as if the puck is leaving the picture with Trouba going in the opposite direction.

Lowry has agreed to 3 years, 8.75 mill.

Lowry has agreed to 3 years, 8.75 mill.
- CharlieDog

Fourth center-man getting close to $3 million a year! Wow!

So if you goto arbitration the team has the right to select either a 1 or 2 year deal. So, we could technically select a one year deal this year for Trouba and a two year deal next year in arbitration and keep him at a relatively cheap cost for three more years or at least until a good offer came in . Now let’s be clear!!!! I want Trouba long term!!! I want him signed!!! My point is, all these people on twitter and everywhere insisting a trade has to happen soon if we can’t sign him long term right now are severely jumping the gun!! Chevy won’t panic and against a crap offer.

every team knows this, but almost none of those teams have any chance at signing him as a UFA, so their only chance to get him is via trade.

Ottawa will get a very good return for karlsson......but since it wont' be from the jets i'll stop hi-jacking their thread with this conversation. just made a trade proposal for fun.
- sensarmy_11

What do you mean by very good return? Because you are right, most teams know they can not re sign him so I see his value as a high end rental. I’m guessing a top prospect and first round pick.

For sure, If he is willing to go 5.75M over 4-8 years, thats great. If 7 is his real number, then ship him off to Colorado for their Ottawa 1st rounder, guarenteed to be a high lottery chance. Plus if trouba is in the rear-view, then Wpg will have plenty of money to lock up everyone, including wheelers extension.
- bikeguy99

I have no problem paying him 7. He is worth more to the jets than what ehlers will make for the next 7 years and that’s 6mil, he is also worth more to the jets for the next 6 years than what wheeler would be over the same time frame. Don’t let your best D go, you won’t get another one so easy.

So if you goto arbitration the team has the right to select either a 1 or 2 year deal. So, we could technically select a one year deal this year for Trouba and a two year deal next year in arbitration and keep him at a relatively cheap cost for three more years or at least until a good offer came in . Now let’s be clear!!!! I want Trouba long term!!! I want him signed!!! My point is, all these people on twitter and everywhere insisting a trade has to happen soon if we can’t sign him long term right now are severely jumping the gun!! Chevy won’t panic and against a crap offer.
- Ross77

This is incorrect, if they choose 1 year this year, they can only choose 1 year next year. If they choose 2 year this Year, he's UFA at the end of those 2 years

Lowry is a one-of-a-kind in the Jets organization. The only large bodied physical center we have. Could not afford to lose him.

This is incorrect, if they choose 1 year this year, they can only choose 1 year next year. If they choose 2 year this Year, he's UFA at the end of those 2 years
- mcjags

I was wrong, my bad