I can say that if you don’t think buff or Myers stats are padded cause of playing against lesser talent than Trouba or more
Pp time, you are also delusional.
I’ve read multiple reports, yes rumours but where there is smoke....that subban is not liked in Nashville room.
- Ross77

Opposition coach gets the last change in 50% of the games.

You keep keying on Subban. The point was that Trouba is not even remotely a leader . If he was then he would deserve some extra premium.

Are you going to add words or opinions here? I like when bloggers do that, really adds to the blogging feel.
- halo63

oh, I'm sorry.....I guess the best dman in the league is only worth trouba and a plug 3rd liner
- sensarmy_11

I know Sens fans are banking on a return like you described, but I don't think it is happening.

In this specific example, Trouba and a plug is MORE than you would get. Winnipeg, like so many other teams, can't afford Karlsson's next contract.

Opposition coach gets the last change in 50% of the games.

You keep keying on Subban. The point was that Trouba is not even remotely a leader . If he was then he would deserve some extra premium.
- jetsnation

Subban is a top-10 defenseman. I'd list Trouba as a top-20/25. And I really do like Trouba.

I know this is unpopular, as there are examples that run counter to my take, but I really think he's an American boy who doesn't want to play in Canada, or at least would rather play in a warmer place (i.e. in southern Quebec or Ontario). I could be 100% wrong, but I think that's why negotiations with him have been so difficult.

I know Sens fans are banking on a return like you described, but I don't think it is happening.

In this specific example, Trouba and a plug is MORE than you would get. Winnipeg, like so many other teams, can't afford Karlsson's next contract.
- Aetherial

Ehlers is a plug ?

Ehlers is a plug ?
- bennythehat

I love those 22-year-old 60-point plugs.

Ehlers is a plug ?
- bennythehat

if you're replying to me, I was saying that if karlsson isn't worth trouba and ehlers, then he must only be worth trouba and a plug.

not saying ehlers is a plug

Trouba misses one out of every four games. Trouba does not present as a leader. He' supposed to be this physical force on defense but for some reason I have never seen him hit.

Trouba = Overrated. I would trade him while the rest of the league thinks he's a superstar. I can see him coasting once he signs his big money deal.

if you're replying to me, I was saying that if karlsson isn't worth trouba and ehlers, then he must only be worth trouba and a plug.

not saying ehlers is a plug
- sensarmy_11

I love Ehlers, but I LOVE Karlsson way more. He's the best player in the NHL and if that's all it takes to get him, I would be ALL IN!!!

if you're replying to me, I was saying that if karlsson isn't worth trouba and ehlers, then he must only be worth trouba and a plug.

not saying ehlers is a plug
- sensarmy_11

So there's no middle ground between a 60-point 22-year-old and a plug?

Trouba misses one out of every four games. Trouba does not present as a leader. He' supposed to be this physical force on defense but for some reason I have never seen him hit.

Trouba = Overrated. I would trade him while the rest of the league thinks he's a superstar. I can see him coasting once he signs his big money deal.
- TheUltimateJet

Never ever?

if you're replying to me, I was saying that if karlsson isn't worth trouba and ehlers, then he must only be worth trouba and a plug.

not saying ehlers is a plug
- sensarmy_11

Your proposal was Trouba (a younger RHD first pairing defenseman), Ehler (a young 60 point winger) and a 2nd round pick for Karlsson.

Surely you're not dumb enough to think there is nothing in between this insane package and Trouba + a plug?

I love those 22-year-old 60-point plugs.
- jmatchett383

had to read the original comment twice but I think it was trying to say that to get you have to give.

The original commenter didn't think that a 3rd line plug was enough... believing that the cost to get Karlson for a year is two future all-stars and a pick.

If that is the cost - no thanks Eugene.

I love Ehlers, but I LOVE Karlsson way more. He's the best player in the NHL and if that's all it takes to get him, I would be ALL IN!!!
- TheUltimateJet

not for one year at that price

Trouba misses one out of every four games. Trouba does not present as a leader. He' supposed to be this physical force on defense but for some reason I have never seen him hit.

Trouba = Overrated. I would trade him while the rest of the league thinks he's a superstar. I can see him coasting once he signs his big money deal.
- TheUltimateJet

You're welcome.

I think if Trouba ends up getting awarded anything north of 6 million, you have to look at trade options. After the playoffs he had, I'm not comfortable calling him an elite defenseman. As fans of teams often do, I think we might be overvaluing him. I'm fine if he gets paid as a 3-4 D-man, your RHD on the second pair.

If it comes down to who would I rather see make 6 million + between Trouba and Morrissey, I'd go Morrissey without hesitation.

Trouba misses one out of every four games. Trouba does not present as a leader. He' supposed to be this physical force on defense but for some reason I have never seen him hit.

Trouba = Overrated. I would trade him while the rest of the league thinks he's a superstar. I can see him coasting once he signs his big money deal.
- TheUltimateJet

There is much more to physical play than hitting. It is about how hard you lean on people moving around the boards, how much force you use around the net/slot area etc. Something Trouba has is a bit of an unpredictable mean streak that leaves the occassional welt, usually from some chippy play after the whistle and often without taking a penalty.

So there's no middle ground between a 60-point 22-year-old and a plug?
- jmatchett383

sure there's middle ground.....but as far as trading for Karlsson, there's no middle ground. if I was the GM, I wouldn't take anyone less than ehlers in this situation

Your proposal was Trouba (a younger RHD first pairing defenseman), Ehler (a young 60 point winger) and a 2nd round pick for Karlsson.

Surely you're not dumb enough to think there is nothing in between this insane package and Trouba + a plug?
- Scabeh

From Winnipeg.....knowing that guys like scheiffle, laine, and connor are obviously non-starters......there is nothing in between IMO.

nothing else there would be worth karlsson in terms of quality

From Winnipeg.....knowing that guys like scheiffle, laine, and connor are obviously non-starters......there is nothing in between IMO.

nothing else there would be worth karlsson in terms of quality
- sensarmy_11

it's a moot point anyways...karlsson wouldn't re-sign in Winnipeg so there is no trade there to be made....was just throwing something out there.

seeing as the people who thought it were crazy were the habs, leafs, and flyers fans....and the actual jets fan thought it was fair.....I must have been pretty close

I think if Trouba ends up getting awarded anything north of 6 million, you have to look at trade options. After the playoffs he had, I'm not comfortable calling him an elite defenseman. As fans of teams often do, I think we might be overvaluing him. I'm fine if he gets paid as a 3-4 D-man, your RHD on the second pair.

If it comes down to who would I rather see make 6 million + between Trouba and Morrissey, I'd go Morrissey without hesitation.
- mcjags

He is a young player and that was his first real taste of the playoffs. He played first line minutes on a successful team. No one is saying he is a Doughty/Karlson/Hedman type of player but he was very good. Uneventful is a good thing when you are playing D versus top lines like the JoFA line. If he is willing to sign long term for 7 I would lock him up.

He is a young player and that was his first real taste of the playoffs. He played first line minutes on a successful team. No one is saying he is a Doughty/Karlson/Hedman type of player but he was very good. Uneventful is a good thing when you are playing D versus top lines like the JoFA line. If he is willing to sign long term for 7 I would lock him up.
- 2.0

Agreed. Lock him up.

I love Ehlers, but I LOVE Karlsson way more. He's the best player in the NHL and if that's all it takes to get him, I would be ALL IN!!!
- TheUltimateJet

Last year, his game was negatively affected. The franchise and ownership issues, his wife and himself suffered through the tragedy of losing their baby and apparently Hoffman's physco girlfriend targeting his spouse through media. What a debacle.

The guy needs a new sheet of ice to skate on. His game was negatively affected last year with these issues. I didn't think he was the best player in the NHL last year but we all know the reasons why and he still put up 62 points in 71 games.

It is actually amazing what he put up with and still played hockey. He needs a new organization.

Wow people! It’s arbitration, what’s he supposed to ask for? Of course he’s gonna ask for way more then he knows he would get, this is common practice. The best thing about arbitration is that we can now avoid the common $500-$750k/yr ‘Winnipeg premium’ that we usually have to add.

My biggest concern with Trouba is the head injuries already, he was not hitting and was not playing very physical after he came back.