The interest is Buzzgate 2018-2019 is quite exciting. So far we have :

Opeth_Pa
BiggE
FlyersGrace
Jmatchett383
Glak18
Cdearth23
Scoob
Johndewar
Wcorvette
Bulet13
Missingmike
WhirlingDervish
Stayintheffnet
Nutter
Meltz - has stated would try to stop by at some point!

Thought I saw a glimpse of Arichardson but maybe he deleted the post. Forgive me if I incorrectly spelt a username, or forgot someone - PM's are ideal as posts are sometimes missed.

Plans or feelings may change, so no hard feelings but the initial response is promising! Take care all.
- flyer_nutter

What are the deets?

Actually I don't like the Flyers goaltending situation, but there are no other options at the moment that makes this team better.

How about this, you contact Kekalainen in Columbus. Tell him you will have a trade available for Bobrovsky for Neurvirth + 2019 3rd round while retaining 15% of Bob's salary. Get it done and I will personally guarantee I will have Ron Hextall shake your hand and let you "beat the piss out of him".

Deal?
- Glak18

Even simpler, just trade Neuvirth, Provorov, Patrick, and a 2 1sts to NYR for Lundqvist. Problem solved.

What are the deets?
- TheGreat28

Bring your own heroin.

Bring your own heroin.
- jmatchett383

Was hoping to find some there

What are the deets?
- TheGreat28

Nothing concrete yet, thinking late March or early April.

As time goes on we can discuss further. Just checking out the interest for now.

So OT, but one if he LA players in the Machado trade has apparently failed his physical.

Come on man to say their are no options to male them better is incorrect. You may not want to pay the price to get one; that’s the difference.
- rinaldo

I know you have been like a jumping bean about this, but please feel free to suggest those options, what the Flyers would have to pay and/or give up in trade and what the Flyers would do with the other goaltenders they have.

Don't be one of those people who comes up with the "greatest" idea ever (Ex. a TV that can read your mind and knows what you want to watch), but when asked how it works they respond "I don't know, that's someone elses job to figure out". Anyone can come up with an idea, the only ones who matter are the ones who know how to execute it.

Even simpler, just trade Neuvirth, Provorov, Patrick, and a 2 1sts to NYR for Lundqvist. Problem solved.
- jmatchett383

In all seriousness, would NYR accept that or want more because it's a division rival?

I know you have been like a jumping bean about this, but please feel free to suggest those options, what the Flyers would have to pay and/or give up in trade and what the Flyers would do with the other goaltenders they have.

Don't be one of those people who comes up with the "greatest" idea ever (Ex. a TV that can read your mind and knows what you want to watch), but when asked how it works they respond "I don't know, that's someone elses job to figure out". Anyone can come up with an idea, the only ones who matter are the ones who know how to execute it.
- Glak18

Real simple question.

do you think the flyers can aquire a goalie who is an upgrade then the 2 starters they currently have? Yes or no

I am not a GM so impossible for me to execute it.

The interest is Buzzgate 2018-2019 is quite exciting. So far we have :

Opeth_Pa
BiggE
FlyersGrace
Jmatchett383
Glak18
Cdearth23
Scoob
Johndewar
Wcorvette
Bulet13
Missingmike
WhirlingDervish
Stayintheffnet
Nutter
Meltz - has stated would try to stop by at some point!

Thought I saw a glimpse of Arichardson but maybe he deleted the post. Forgive me if I incorrectly spelt a username, or forgot someone - PM's are ideal as posts are sometimes missed.

Plans or feelings may change, so no hard feelings but the initial response is promising! Take care all.
- flyer_nutter

Im in.

In all seriousness, would NYR accept that or want more because it's a division rival?
- Glak18

For Provorov alone they'd do it in a heartbeat.

So yes, it CAN be done. Whether or not the upgrade is worth the cost both in the short term and long term is the issue.

You're welcome all. Note: I switched Allison and Ratcliffe in the pic by accident.

I even quickly ranked the honorable mentions on the left


- YuenglingJagr

What the (frank) is this disaster of a list? You have Noah Cates as the 7th highest ranked player in the organization?

My eye is twitching.

Real simple question.

do you think the flyers can aquire a goalie who is an upgrade then the 2 starters they currently have? Yes or no

I am not a GM so impossible for me to execute it.
- rinaldo

Again you always have a question to answer a question.

Answer is 100% yes. Every single team in the NHL can acquire a goalie who is an upgrade, every single one. You want an upgraded goaltender, I want an upgraded team...big difference because an upgraded goaltender doesn't mean a better team.

What the (frank) is this disaster of a list? You have Noah Cates as the 7th highest ranked player in the organization?

My eye is twitching.
- Mononoke

Your Grace, that was merely a mistake. He is #25 on the list I submitted. The rest is completely accurate*

*except for Konecny at 2 instead of 4

What the (frank) is this disaster of a list? You have Noah Cates as the 7th highest ranked player in the organization?

My eye is twitching.

Also, I’ve said it before: top 25 under 25s are dumb. It implicitly forces you to value lower ceiling current NHL players over prospects with arguably more potential to tap into. A top 25 prospect pool has more comparative consistency.

My eye is still twitching by the way. Jfc.
- Mononoke

It's ranked by thetan level.

For Provorov alone they'd do it in a heartbeat.

So yes, it CAN be done. Whether or not the upgrade is worth the cost both in the short term and long term is the issue.
- jmatchett383

Oh if I was NYR I would do it in a heartbeat too, but in division does include an increase in cost.

If Giroux ever got traded, would you want more if he went to Pittsburgh? I just threw up in my mouth typing that.

You're welcome all. Note: I switched Allison and Ratcliffe in the pic by accident.

I even quickly ranked the honorable mentions on the left


- YuenglingJagr

I just finally read your notch list...

Really *in Jim Carey voice*

Cates ranked that high? I need insight and I need it now.

Your Grace, that was merely a mistake. He is #25 on the list I submitted. The rest is completely accurate*

*except for Konecny at 2 instead of 4
- YuenglingJagr

I’ve said it before: top 25 under 25s are dumb. I know you are just following the format, so I’m not calling you dumb for this. For other reasons, maybe.

It implicitly forces you to weight lower ceiling current NHL players too highly over prospects with arguably more potential to tap into. It’s a matter of known commodities, even if they’re not that good. Obviously Provorov and company are safe bets, but more so the depth players. A top 25 prospect pool has more comparative consistency. I’d rather see that list. Then exclude goalies. And then tell me where we will hold our HBois Convention.

What the (frank) is this disaster of a list? You have Noah Cates as the 7th highest ranked player in the organization?

My eye is twitching.
- Mononoke

Oh looks like someone else noticed that, I am so behind talking goalies...

Again you always have a question to answer a question.

Answer is 100% yes. Every single team in the NHL can acquire a goalie who is an upgrade, every single one. You want an upgraded goaltender, I want an upgraded team...big difference because an upgraded goaltender doesn't mean a better team.
- Glak18

Again sure if u say so.

Goalie is part of the team. Upgraded goalie = upgraded team.

Goalie is the biggest weakness right now imo. A weakness that can really kill the upcoming season.

Again sure if u say so.

Goalie is part of the team. Upgraded goalie = upgraded team.

Goalie is the biggest weakness right now imo. A weakness that can really kill the upcoming season.
- rinaldo

Better goalie for nothing = upgraded team

A slight better goaltender while giving up needed assets = sideways

I’ve said it before: top 25 under 25s are dumb. I know you are just following the format, so I’m not calling you dumb for this. For other reasons, maybe.

It implicitly forces you to weight lower ceiling current NHL players too highly over prospects with arguably more potential to tap into. It’s a matter of known commodities, even if they’re not that good. Obviously Provorov and company are safe bets, but more so the depth players. A top 25 prospect pool has more comparative consistency. I’d rather see that list. Then exclude goalies. And then tell me where we will hold our HBois Convention.
- Mononoke

It's only dumb when you disagree on how much to weight potential. I'm only interested in comparing with those who seem to value it like I do. My prospect rankings are the same, this just has older players sprinkled in. It is best described as the little value bar in chel. I think it is a realistic thing to consider so we know who to give up to get Karlsson.

Oh if I was NYR I would do it in a heartbeat too, but in division does include an increase in cost.

If Giroux ever got traded, would you want more if he went to Pittsburgh? I just threw up in my mouth typing that.
- Glak18

It depends where Pittsburgh and Philly's "windows" were. To me, if you're trading star vets for young players/picks, you shouldn't care where they go because, by the time you're ready to be a contender, the player you traded most likely will have severely degraded.

So no, I would just want the best return possible.

Better goalie for nothing = upgraded team

A slight better goaltender while giving up needed assets = sideways
- Glak18

So giving up assets not even on the flyers sideways ?

It's only dumb when you disagree on how much to weight potential. I'm only interested in comparing with those who seem to value it like I do. My prospect rankings are the same, this just has older players sprinkled in. It is best described as the little value bar in chel. I think it is a realistic thing to consider so we know who to give up to get Karlsson.
- YuenglingJagr

To be fair to you (ugh), you didn't overweigh it. Though Hagg sticks out as too high for me given what we know. Like I think Hogberg is what people dreamily think Hagg is, but he's not already in the NHL almost leading the league in hits and xJimJacksonHeartBeats/60. You can point to known league value, but in that case, he should be higher. That's the other thing: league value (for a known NHL asset, whatever the mediocrity) is different than your ideal organizational value. Then you have someone like Stolarz who might have little trade value given his situation and no upwards mobility here. Are you ranking on pure potential in a vacuum? Then it gets confusing in methodology.

You see year in and year out in those awful rankings they end up compiling at BSH, with players like Leier above Myers and so on, that they 1) simply don't know anything about the prospects and 2) don't have any clue how to balance different factors out and 3) rank by names they know given closeness.

To do a top 25 prospects though, minus goalies, you'd have to eliminate 11 people from your list of 25 and add some. It's tougher. When I do mine I try to set my criteria as the prospects who I think are the most talented with the best chance of maximizing potential or potential value here.