Last line of article says it all. Weise will need a strong camp to get a roster spot. - dragonoffrost
It was almost like he got that big contract and forgot how to play with the grit and tenacity that got it for him. For a big guy he seemed to play small and generally looked lost. He has to be hard to play against take the Body, cycle the puck and played like his life depends on it.
Flyers need to dump Nervirth and roll with Elliot and Lyon. Then Stolarz and Hart can be goalies for Phantoms.
Also would prefer Laughton a 3C over Giroux. Keep G at Wing. Worst case we can add a guy at the deadline to play 3C for a low pick. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
I know there's lots of talk about moving g back to centre, but damn.. dude has a career year, don't fix it if it's not broke. I think less tough minutes at centre paired against bigger 1 c helped him a lot.
You didn't say 40 but I did because you mentioned 20 wouldn't be sufficient. Centre is definitely harder than wing, but in my view right now, he's probably done all he can at the junior level and In order to stretch his abilities, he needs a better challenge. Ahl is probably the best but not an option. I saw in a reply to another person you mentioned that you didn't think of frost as a 2 c was that a typo and you meant 3c? Anything more than the 3 c would be too much first year imo. - Hextall271
There's still more he can do at the junior level. The poster I replied to suggested that Frost would center JVR and Voracek. That's the 2nd line in my book.
If all Frost can do is put up 20 points in the NHL then at this point in time he is not an upgrade and he should be sent back to juniors.
I think the Flyers would take any moderate asset for him. Then again imagine if Neurvirth comes back healthy, and wait for it, doesn't have any major injuries...
That would be a nice TDL piece to have or to keep. Personally I see nothing available at the moment that would drastically change the Flyers, nothing.
Would the Devils trade Schneider to the Flyers? Maybe for an extreme premium. Carey Price? Super expensive in cap hit/years and giving up assets...not to mention the Flyers would still have the same questions.
As with many on here, I would love to know who that magical goalie is the Flyers can obtain. Look around the league, most top goaltenders are drafted and groomed in the AHL with a few exceptions. - Glak18
Would carter Hutton have been an upgrade?
Bernier?
Would Nashville, Florida, San Jose, avs, Columbus trade either of their goalies? If so at what cost ? Are they an upgrade over the flyers starters?
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Would carter Hutton have been an upgrade?
Bernier?
Would Nashville, Florida, San Jose, avs, Columbus reads either of their goalies? If so at what cost ? Are they an upgrade over the flyers starters? - rinaldo
Hutton and Bernier wanted term that Hextall probably wasn't willing to go. Again I know you don't agree but he seems to think Hart will be ready next year by all goalie contracts signed currently. You keep harping that he's failed on that position we get it but if Hart is ready and he has people blocking him hasn't he also failed?
All those trades you would need two to tango and I'm not sure any of them are trading either goalie they currently have for anything the Flyers would offer, read that as Lyon or Stolarz. Neuvy is a wildcard as he is hurt and could someone take a chance maybe but I'd doubt that. Elliot is the Flyers 1A this coming season.
There's still more he can do at the junior level. The poster I replied to suggested that Frost would center JVR and Voracek. That's the 2nd line in my book.
If all Frost can do is put up 20 points in the NHL then at this point in time he is not an upgrade and he should be sent back to juniors. - MJL
I don't think frost is ready to centre that line. Again, I think it depends on what the team feels he can learn at the nhl vice the ahl. Tk scored 28 pts on the wing which we agree is easier to adjust to, and I never thought he was out of place. Just learning. I was fine with that contribution and he wasn't a d liability. Let's say frost can score 28 pts, and be a decent 2 way centre who improves as the year progresses.. would that suffice? I think it would.
Also, what point threshold does he need to attain in your mind? Not 40 so 30? 35?
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Hutton and Bernier wanted term that Hextall probably wasn't willing to go. Again I know you don't agree but he seems to think Hart will be ready next year by all goalie contracts signed currently. You keep harping that he's failed on that position we get it but if Hart is ready and he has people blocking him hasn't he also failed?
All those trades you would need two to tango and I'm not sure any of them are trading either goalie they currently have for anything the Flyers would offer, read that as Lyon or Stolarz. Neuvy is a wildcard as he is hurt and could someone take a chance maybe but I'd doubt that. Elliot is the Flyers 1A this coming season. - dragonoffrost
Both free agent goalies got very reasonable contracts Would not hinder anything in the future
I don’t buy the players blocking angle
When he thinks they are ready they will play . Simple as that
I don't think frost is ready to centre that line. Again, I think it depends on what the team feels he can learn at the nhl vice the ahl. Tk scored 28 pts on the wing which we agree is easier to adjust to, and I never thought he was out of place. Just learning. I was fine with that contribution and he wasn't a d liability. Let's say frost can score 28 pts, and be a decent 2 way centre who improves as the year progresses.. would that suffice? I think it would.
Also, what point threshold does he need to attain in your mind? Not 40 so 30? 35? - Hextall271
Playing Devil's Advocate, Patrick centered the 2nd line as a rookie, a second line that included Voracek by the way, and netted 30 points. Patrick was physically more mature than Frost, which I present as an argument for why it makes more sense to have Patrick on the 3rd line. The only difference between last year with Patrick as 2C and this year with Frost as 2C is JVR is a big upgrade, which presumably brings a higher focus on offense on line 2 vs. line 3.
Again, the underlying assumption is that Frost does enough in camp to warrant including in Top 9. If so, where do you play him to give both Frost and the team the highest chance at success?
I know there's lots of talk about moving g back to centre, but damn.. dude has a career year, don't fix it if it's not broke. I think less tough minutes at centre paired against bigger 1 c helped him a lot. - Hextall271
I agree - G is better at wing. The problem is that Laughton is really not a viable NHL 3C on a strong contender. If he centered Simmonds and Lindblom (or Raffl) you are somewhat limiting their success / growth as well.
Playing Devil's Advocate, Patrick centered the 2nd line as a rookie, a second line that included Voracek by the way, and netted 30 points. Patrick was physically more mature than Frost, which I present as an argument for why it makes more sense to have Patrick on the 3rd line. The only difference between last year with Patrick as 2C and this year with Frost as 2C is JVR is a big upgrade, which presumably brings a higher focus on offense on line 2 vs. line 3.
Again, the underlying assumption is that Frost does enough in camp to warrant including in Top 9. If so, where do you play him to give both Frost and the team the highest chance at success? - TheGreat28
There's also the big difference that Patrick is not coming off a double hernia surgery. If you look at Patrick physically from the beginning and end of the season, he's a totally different player.
There's also the big difference that Patrick is not coming off a double hernia surgery. If you look at Patrick physically from the beginning and end of the season, he's a totally different player. - jmatchett383
I was amazed at how much he improved. I'm sure it was a combo of learning the league and getting healthy. I hope he keeps this progress up. I'd be slotting him in at 2 c, but that's just me, and frost at 3 c if he proves he's ready.
Played with Tyler Bozak for most of his time there. Third line guy last season. Insane. - SuperSchennBros
I remember reading he was down the lineup, but man that production for limited time. If we play him 20 plus mins you could expect he'd produce as much or more here. Gonna be a great shot in the arm for o depth
I remember reading he was down the lineup, but man that production for limited time. If we play him 20 plus mins you could expect he'd produce as much or more here. Gonna be a great shot in the arm for o depth - Hextall271
There's also the big difference that Patrick is not coming off a double hernia surgery. If you look at Patrick physically from the beginning and end of the season, he's a totally different player. - jmatchett383
Good point, but I'd argue that as a point in favor of Frost as 2C. If you think about it, Frost had a much more successful season last year in juniors vs. Patrick the year before, primarily due to Patrick's injury. In other words, Frost would be coming in with a bigger head of steam than Patrick who was still recovering from a significant injury.
All things considered, Frost might be in a better position to succeed when he comes up, whether it's this year or next, then Patrick was solely for that reason.
I'm more interested in the lineup configuration. Do you go bigger at 3C with Patrick and balance minutes more between 2nd/3rd line? Does Frost's skill set complement JVR/Voracek more so than Patrick's? Does this make it more difficult for other teams matchup wise?
Good point, but I'd argue that as a point in favor of Frost as 2C. If you think about it, Frost had a much more successful season last year in juniors vs. Patrick the year before, primarily due to Patrick's injury. In other words, Frost would be coming in with a bigger head of steam than Patrick who was still recovering from a significant injury.
All things considered, Frost might be in a better position to succeed when he comes up, whether it's this year or next, then Patrick was solely for that reason.
I'm more interested in the lineup configuration. Do you go bigger at 3C with Patrick and balance minutes more between 2nd/3rd line? Does Frost's skill set complement JVR/Voracek more so than Patrick's? Does this make it more difficult for other teams matchup wise? - TheGreat28
Depends. Do you think Frost will be able to handle David Krejci in a fight?
