Unless Frost excels as a rookie, his potential ice time per game would not line up with what it would be for JVR and Voracek.
- MJL

Depends. Consider JVR averaged 14:19 in TO last year, and Jake 18 minutes even here. Patrick 16:38. Simmonds 14:36. I'm comfortable playing Frost in the 12-14 minute range, again, assuming he proves he belongs in the NHL next year.

Also, if you have THOSE three lines, I'm comfortable balancing out total TOI as well.

EDIT: Edited to drop total minutes for Frost, factoring little PPT time.

Flyers need to dump Nervirth and roll with Elliot and Lyon. Then Stolarz and Hart can be goalies for Phantoms.

Also would prefer Laughton a 3C over Giroux. Keep G at Wing. Worst case we can add a guy at the deadline to play 3C for a low pick.

Depends. Consider JVR averaged 14:19 in TO last year, and Jake 18 minutes even here. Patrick 16:38. Simmonds 14:36. I'm comfortable playing Frost in the 14-16 minute range, again, assuming he proves he belongs in the NHL next year.

Also, if you have THOSE three lines, I'm comfortable balancing out total TOI as well.
- TheGreat28

You may be comfortable but I doubt the coach would be. That's not specific to this coach but any coach. If Frost makes the team which is very doubtful, he will be sheltered and his minutes limited. JVR's ES ice time is going to be higher here. It is highly unlikely that Frost will be ready to take on a 2nd line center role in the NHL this upcoming season.

Depends. Consider JVR averaged 14:19 in TO last year, and Jake 18 minutes even here. Patrick 16:38. Simmonds 14:36. I'm comfortable playing Frost in the 12-14 minute range, again, assuming he proves he belongs in the NHL next year.

Also, if you have THOSE three lines, I'm comfortable balancing out total TOI as well.

EDIT: Edited to drop total minutes for Frost, factoring little PPT time.
- TheGreat28

Nobody should be comfortable with anything Frost does until he’s earned a spot and we actually see how he does against regular season opponents.

Flyers need to dump Nervirth and roll with Elliot and Lyon. Then Stolarz and Hart can be goalies for Phantoms.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

How would you suggest they dump him?

On pk he’s the only D guy I think that reliably can clear the puck

Amac and Hagg had good seasons but I don’t think they were very effective on Pk

Gudas and Manning were bad

Ghost shouldn’t see pk time

Morin is out until late winter and then who knows

I guess hope for improvement from Hagg and Sanheim and the pk forwards?

I’m pessimistic here regarding the pk
- Marc D

They badly need a legit top pair shutdown guy to pair with Provorov on the top PK unit. Also, having a top flight #1 goalie wouldn’t hurt.

How would you suggest they dump him?
- MJL

Drive him far away to the middle of nowhere, push him out of the car and drive away

Drive him far away to the middle of nowhere, push him out of the car and drive away
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hell, no need. Just let him come to camp and suit up. He’ll be on IR before the end of September

How would you suggest they dump him?
- MJL

No problem, in a video game you can randomly select a team and trade anyone by using their overall rating.

1 year for 650,000 compared to a guy who just got bought out and may still want a decent contract. I'm not surprised. Not because of skill or want, but the situation. When someone gets an injury, Mason will be on the top to get a call, if not sooner.
- Glak18

Well lets hope sooner

Everyone is looking at it totally wrong. I would put Lehtera on PP1, the other team would be so confused he would be open all the time.
- Glak18

you forgot to mention Weise on his wing

No problem, in a video game you can randomly select a team and trade anyone by using their overall rating.
- Glak18

I think we should go with Hockeyal's plan and trade him for a first round pick. Does anyone think if the Flyers could trade Neuvirth for a first round pick, he'd still be a Flyer right now?

Flyers need to dump Nervirth and roll with Elliot and Lyon. Then Stolarz and Hart can be goalies for Phantoms.

Also would prefer Laughton a 3C over Giroux. Keep G at Wing. Worst case we can add a guy at the deadline to play 3C for a low pick.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No way Neuvirth is the prototype of a backup you need
Brilliant but cant do more then 30 games

Expecting 20 points from Frost contradicts thinking he's ready and is going to make the squad. I think without a doubt that the plan is to send Frost back to juniors unless he convinces them otherwise. I think the chances of that are remote. One more thought, most fans will think he is ready and criticize the Flyers when he's sent back to juniors.
- MJL

Of note, tk only scored 28 points in his first year in the nhl. A predictions of 20 to 25 isn't absurd as there's an adjustment. Was tk not ready? I'd say he was ready to make the next step. To say that frost needs to score 40 pts his rookie year to be deemed ready is ridiculous. If hextall thinks he needs more time then so be it. I trust his judgement but I think they are going to give him the opportunity to earn it.

Folin will clear up the PK.
- jmatchett383

folin n Amac are an option

Depends. Consider JVR averaged 14:19 in TO last year, and Jake 18 minutes even here. Patrick 16:38. Simmonds 14:36. I'm comfortable playing Frost in the 12-14 minute range, again, assuming he proves he belongs in the NHL next year.

Also, if you have THOSE three lines, I'm comfortable balancing out total TOI as well.

EDIT: Edited to drop total minutes for Frost, factoring little PPT time.
- TheGreat28

Jvr only averaged 14 mins a gm last year?? Still scored 36? I didn't realize that.

Jvr only averaged 14 mins a gm last year?? Still scored 36? I didn't realize that.
- Hextall271

Played with Tyler Bozak for most of his time there. Third line guy last season. Insane.

Of note, tk only scored 28 points in his first year in the nhl. A predictions of 20 to 25 isn't absurd as there's an adjustment. Was tk not ready? I'd say he was ready to make the next step. To say that frost needs to score 40 pts his rookie year to be deemed ready is ridiculous. If hextall thinks he needs more time then so be it. I trust his judgement but I think they are going to give him the opportunity to earn it.
- Hextall271

I think there is a huge difference between breaking in at center versus wing. Where did I say that Frost needs to score 40 points? The point is, would Frost be an upgrade over say Laughton as the 3rd line center to justify keeping him in the NHL rather than going back for another junior season? Can Laughton match 20 points as a 3rd line center? These are the variables that are going to come into play. He'll get an opportunity but it's highly unlikely that he makes the team in my opinion.

The shame is, neither goaltender, if both put on wavers, will be picked. We would probably do just as well, using two of our up coming goalies. Lyons is ready, probably Hart too. I'd unload both Elliott, etc, though probably no one takes either, for free

I think we should go with Hockeyal's plan and trade him for a first round pick. Does anyone think if the Flyers could trade Neuvirth for a first round pick, he'd still be a Flyer right now?
- MJL

I think the Flyers would take any moderate asset for him. Then again imagine if Neurvirth comes back healthy, and wait for it, doesn't have any major injuries...

That would be a nice TDL piece to have or to keep. Personally I see nothing available at the moment that would drastically change the Flyers, nothing.

Would the Devils trade Schneider to the Flyers? Maybe for an extreme premium. Carey Price? Super expensive in cap hit/years and giving up assets...not to mention the Flyers would still have the same questions.

As with many on here, I would love to know who that magical goalie is the Flyers can obtain. Look around the league, most top goaltenders are drafted and groomed in the AHL with a few exceptions.

you forgot to mention Weise on his wing
- wcorvette

No, no I didn't. I thought long and hard....no, no I didn't.

MacDonald is an effective penalty killer because he is solid in his positioning and coverage and blocks shot. The problem is that he doesn't belong on the top PK pairing. He belongs on a secondary unit.
- MJL

I agree, when his minutes are limited he can be effective

an article about Weise and how he will be playing more minutes.

please put Bigg E on suicide watch

https://www.yahoo.com/spo...layer-review%3A-dale.html

an article about Weise and how he will be playing more minutes.

please put Bigg E on suicide watch

https://www.yahoo.com/spo...layer-review%3A-dale.html
- wcorvette

Person who wrote it said "his first year with Flyers". I stopped reading after that.

I think there is a huge difference between breaking in at center versus wing. Where did I say that Frost needs to score 40 points? The point is, would Frost be an upgrade over say Laughton as the 3rd line center to justify keeping him in the NHL rather than going back for another junior season? Can Laughton match 20 points as a 3rd line center? These are the variables that are going to come into play. He'll get an opportunity but it's highly unlikely that he makes the team in my opinion.
- MJL

You didn't say 40 but I did because you mentioned 20 wouldn't be sufficient. Centre is definitely harder than wing, but in my view right now, he's probably done all he can at the junior level and In order to stretch his abilities, he needs a better challenge. Ahl is probably the best but not an option. I saw in a reply to another person you mentioned that you didn't think of frost as a 2 c was that a typo and you meant 3c? Anything more than the 3 c would be too much first year imo.