Tavares is NOT generational, for (frank)s sake.

All these dumbasses calling out half the leagues top scorers as generational, it’s bullpoop.

Crosby. McDavid. That’s it for generational talents currently playing.
- YzermanTheMan

Ovechkin.

Sam Bennett SUCKS

Dude takes so many penalties.
He is top 15 in the league in minors taken.
problem is they aren't roughing penalties, they are hooking and slashing etc

for a 3rd liner who plays 14 mins a night, he shouldn't be taking even close to as many as he does
- classic321

he's a a two-way center.

that needs to more on his defensive game.

and doesn't score much.

and takes a lot of penalties.

why would calgary want to move him?

If the price for Karlsson involves Sergachev, I would pass on that deal anyway.

Ovechkin.
- Mahewman

Debatable. But not a bad debate to have. Definitely a shot unlike any others.

This will happen if Karlsson has already made up his mind that Tampa is the team he wants to sign with. Tampa might get him for free if they are patient.

This will happen if Karlsson has already made up his mind that Tampa is the team he wants to sign with. Tampa might get him for free if they are patient.
- GalacticStone

11 million a year isnt free.

11 million a year isnt free.
- Mahewman

I should rephrase, acquire him as a UFA without giving up assets to get the right to sign him first.

If his cost is north of 9-million (taking into account FL tax breaks), then I say pass on him. His best years are behind him. Hedman is arguably better now than Karlsson on half an ankle. I would love to see EK in a Tampa jersey, but not at an astronomically high price.

This will happen if Karlsson has already made up his mind that Tampa is the team he wants to sign with. Tampa might get him for free if they are patient.
- GalacticStone

Yup. Or might not. Either way, they're a powerhouse and can probably afford to look elsewhere.

I should rephrase, acquire him as a UFA without giving up assets to get the right to sign him first.

If his cost is north of 9-million (taking into account FL tax breaks), then I say pass on him. His best years are behind him. Hedman is arguably better now than Karlsson on half an ankle. I would love to see EK in a Tampa jersey, but not at an astronomically high price.
- GalacticStone

Lets move forward to this time next yr and the Sens have not traded Karlsson..
Now lets look at Tampa and their roster.

Someone explain to me how Ottawa has any leverage here.
Please explain?

The Isles without a doubt blundered the Tavares situation. It was an absolute disgrace. Do the Sens want to repeat that? Especially considering just how fragile that franchise really is. A Canadian team that struggles to sell out playoff games.

A franchise that cannot decide if it wants to rebuild or win today. Look at the moves they have made the past year or so. They are lost.

Of course every team in the NHL would love to have Karlsson, but at 11 mill for 8yrs? Maybe, maybe I would do it. However, I would not give up more than 2 outstanding assets to get him.

It seams like the Sens want a Lindros like return here.
No shot.

Why would Tampa give up that much for a guy that would be their second best all around dman and they can have in 12 months for free?

I think the biggest mystery here is why is Tampa in the race to get him at all. Are they looking at their roster and thinking more o from their d is what they are lacking?

Probably not really all that related, but I'm not sure Klingberg or Gostisbehere are less valuable from a trade value perspective than Karlesson right now. They are not going anywhere, but just putting it into perspective.

71/9/53/62/-25

82/5/47/52/+9

One is Karlsson, one is Gardiner.

Guess.


BTW... Have you met my hat yet?
- .OHOH.

Haha, Couldn't find a smaller sample size? Why not just choose one game that "proves" your "point"?

Lets move forward to this time next yr and the Sens have not traded Karlsson..
Now lets look at Tampa and their roster.

Someone explain to me how Ottawa has any leverage here.
Please explain?

The Isles without a doubt blundered the Tavares situation. It was an absolute disgrace. Do the Sens want to repeat that? Especially considering just how fragile that franchise really is. A Canadian team that struggles to sell out playoff games.

A franchise that cannot decide if it wants to rebuild or win today. Look at the moves they have made the past year or so. They are lost.

Of course every team in the NHL would love to have Karlsson, but at 11 mill for 8yrs? Maybe, maybe I would do it. However, I would not give up more than 2 outstanding assets to get him.

It seams like the Sens want a Lindros like return here.
No shot.

Why would Tampa give up that much for a guy that would be their second best all around dman and they can have in 12 months for free?

I think the biggest mystery here is why is Tampa in the race to get him at all. Are they looking at their roster and thinking more o from their d is what they are lacking?

Probably not really all that related, but I'm not sure Klingberg or Gostisbehere are less valuable from a trade value perspective than Karlesson right now. They are not going anywhere, but just putting it into perspective.
- acmilano3

0% chance OTT lets him walk to free agency, if need be they will trade him at the TDL, likely for more than is being offered now. (And quite possibly to a contender that TB could run into in the playoffs.) That team would then have 5 months to try and sign him, so I wouldn't put all my eggs in the "we can get him for free" basket. Also, if he ever does end up in TB, whatever ends up being the cost will be more than worth it, don't buy into the trash about him having "half an ankle", or not being good defensively.. In 30 years people will talk about him the way they talk about Orr today

I mean...every leafs fan has bee praying for that for quite some time. Not much available though on UFA. Doughty stated he wouldn't play here. Near impossible to trade for a guy like that too. Though somehow Hamilton gets traded...not sure how we weren't in on that one...IMO, that was our best option to upgrade the D and we missed it. Love the Tavares signing, that's some impressive depth on C.
- mgriffen

You missed it because the Leafs had no comparable to Hanifin to deal to Calgary.

Ovechkin.
- Mahewman

Nope. Elite, No doubt, but he is the Mike Bossy to Wayne Gretzky . Sorry, not in SIDS class.

You missed it because the Leafs had no comparable to Hanifin to deal to Calgary.
- HonkyTonkMan

yes

yes
- Aetherial

Not sure why it’s so hard for people to understand. The key to that deal was a replacement player a couple years behind in age and development and salary. The Leafs have nothing close to that.

Not sure why it’s so hard for people to understand. The key to that deal was a replacement player a couple years behind in age and development and salary. The Leafs have nothing close to that.
- HonkyTonkMan

They don't have a Lindholm either. Nylander is probably worth more than Lindholm at this point.

I guess the closest they could come would be Nylander + Dermott, but I doubt the leafs would go for that.

0% chance OTT lets him walk to free agency, if need be they will trade him at the TDL, likely for more than is being offered now. (And quite possibly to a contender that TB could run into in the playoffs.) That team would then have 5 months to try and sign him, so I wouldn't put all my eggs in the "we can get him for free" basket. Also, if he ever does end up in TB, whatever ends up being the cost will be more than worth it, don't buy into the trash about him having "half an ankle", or not being good defensively.. In 30 years people will talk about him the way they talk about Orr today
- wilkobecks

Maybe in Ottawa they will remember him that way but Erik Karlsson is not Bobby Orr. Not even close. Karlsson hasnt even been the best all around Dman in the league.

Bobby Orr won the norris 8 straight times.

Different Eras I know buts these arent even close.

BO 10 yrs BOS NHL Games 631 G264 A624 888 +574
EK Career OTT NHL Games 627 G126 A392 518 -37

Ek is a career -37...

Whoever thinks Sergachev, or MH in Dallas isn't, can't, shouldn't, etc ...be traded for Karlsson don't watch hockey. The guy is easily the best D-man in the world when he's on top of his game. He's so skilled and playing on a star heavy team (like Tampa and even like Dallas) he would only make those guys THAT much better.

Teams can pay up or shut up. Then you pay the guy what he's worth

Whoever thinks Sergachev, or MH in Dallas isn't, can't, shouldn't, etc ...be traded for Karlsson don't watch hockey. The guy is easily the best D-man in the world when he's on top of his game. He's so skilled and playing on a star heavy team (like Tampa and even like Dallas) he would only make those guys THAT much better.

Teams can pay up or shut up. Then you pay the guy what he's worth


- AlfieisKing

Easily the best offensive defender in the game....but Drew Doughty and his 2 Stanley Cups disagree.

Easily the best offensive defender in the game....but Drew Doughty and his 2 Stanley Cups disagree.
- HonkyTonkMan

Drew Doughty is amazing but c'mon; are you say Karlsson has had the same star power as Doughty?

Alfie was in his later years. Spezza had back issues, and the rest were good players but not the star power of Quick, Kopitar, and Carter. Doughty is a beast and their both superstars but I'm taking Karlsson still #1 in the 2008 NHL draft

Drew Doughty is amazing but c'mon; are you say Karlsson has had the same star power as Doughty?

Alfie was in his later years. Spezza had back issues, and the rest were good players but not the star power of Quick, Kopitar, and Carter. Doughty is a beast and their both superstars but I'm taking Karlsson still #1 in the 2008 NHL draft
- AlfieisKing

He is the superior all around Hockey Player. Everyone talks about they LA defence, when it was pretty much just Doughty and some has beens or never will be’s.

He might not be flashy but if I want to win championships he’s the 1st defenceman I pick 10/10 times.

Aside from offence...what does Karlsson do that Doughty doesn’t do better? Certainly not win.

Also, nobody cares who you would take. Your opinion is probably the least respected of all Hockeybuzz posters of all time. Delete your account.

Whoever thinks Sergachev, or MH in Dallas isn't, can't, shouldn't, etc ...be traded for Karlsson don't watch hockey. The guy is easily the best D-man in the world when he's on top of his game. He's so skilled and playing on a star heavy team (like Tampa and even like Dallas) he would only make those guys THAT much better.

Teams can pay up or shut up. Then you pay the guy what he's worth




- AlfieisKing

You do know that the third link you have is him turning the puck over at the blue line and giving up a goal?

Maybe in Ottawa they will remember him that way but Erik Karlsson is not Bobby Orr. Not even close. Karlsson hasnt even been the best all around Dman in the league.

Bobby Orr won the norris 8 straight times.

Different Eras I know buts these arent even close.

BO 10 yrs BOS NHL Games 631 G264 A624 888 +574
EK Career OTT NHL Games 627 G126 A392 518 -37

Ek is a career -37...
- Mahewman

I think a better comparable would be Paul Coffey.

I think a better comparable would be Paul Coffey.
- sportsdataguy

Still not in the same class. Sorry Bubba. Even with his poopty 80’s skates and not training all summer Coffey was the superior skater.

I think a better comparable would be Paul Coffey.
- sportsdataguy

I didnt get to watch Coffey all that much to be honest but I just watched some highlights and he oddly does remind me of Karlsson so i will give it to ya!