Karlsson for Nylander, Gardiner and 2019 1st round pick.

Karlsson easily fits under the cap for 2018/2019 season.

Here's how he fits the next year.

2019/2020 - Salary Cap Ceiling - 82.46M (Assuming cap goes up 2.96M)

The salary cap this year is 79.5 million, up from 75 million in 2018, 73 million in 2017, 71.4 million in 2016, 69 million in 2015, 64.3 million in 2014. On average, the cap rises 2.96 million a year over the past 5 years. The lowest it has risen in the past 5 years is 1.6 million. The most it has risen is 4.5 million.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Kessel: 1.2M (How (frank)ing stupid was that to retain salary?)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)

Total: 80.66M - 1.8M in cap space available.

While McDavid will be used by some as the benchmark to what Matthews and Marner get, Kucherov is a better comparable. He scored 80 and then 100 points as a 24 and 25 year old and led the league in scoring for most the year. McDavid won serious hardware that Matthews and Marner simply can't compare to. Tavares had half a dozen teams making him offers to negotiate with. Matthews and Marner won't have that opportunity until they become UFAs. And no team is going to pay four 1st round picks for either in the form of an offer sheet. As RFAs, they can get big pay days but not UFA paydays. That's why they should make less than Tavares. But, if Matthews must get 11M, there's exactly 1.5M still available to give to him so it still works.

Also assumed Kapanen and Johnsson get the same kind of money Brown and Hyman got because that's the likely type of players they can / will be with top-six minutes, given their age and skill set. If they score 20 goals, it's fair to give them what Brown got. If they want more, they can get traded and replaced.

If Marleau retires (which his contract is built for him to do on July 2nd, 2019, after he gets his 3 million dollar bonus and promptly traded to Arizona) it opens 6.5 more in cap space and solves every cap related problem very easily in one shot. Horton is on LTIR, obviously. Even if Marleau doesn't retire, he can fit but obviously the 6.5 million would be better spent on younger, cheaper players. Either way, it still works under the cap.

If the cap, for some incredible reason stays the same and doesn't rise (hasn't happened once yet) trade one of Johnsson, Brown or Hyman to clear cap space. If necessary, trade Zaitsev or Carrick to clear cap space. Replace with cheap UFA / ELC. Zaitsev is obviously the best candidate to be traded out of all the names listed, especially if Ozy can replace him as the Russian RHD.

Give Karlsson an 8 year deal with half of it in signing bonuses and upfront money. Make it lockout guaranteed. He's not as good as Doughty, that's why he gets a touch less but if it's absolutely necessary, making it 11M still fits.

Karlsson fits. Proven. This is why Prindham is the AGM, right?
- Unholy_Goalie

reposts the drivel from 4 this morning.

Yes they can. It would fit, especially if Marleau retires.
- Unholy_Goalie

You do know Marleau is chasing a cup right?

If the Leafs don't win it this upcoming season.

You bet your ass he is going to want another crack at it. He won't just give up and retire.

Karlsson for Nylander, Gardiner and 2019 1st round pick.

Karlsson easily fits under the cap for 2018/2019 season.

Here's how he fits the next year.

2019/2020 - Salary Cap Ceiling - 82.46M (Assuming cap goes up 2.96M)

The salary cap this year is 79.5 million, up from 75 million in 2018, 73 million in 2017, 71.4 million in 2016, 69 million in 2015, 64.3 million in 2014. On average, the cap rises 2.96 million a year over the past 5 years. The lowest it has risen in the past 5 years is 1.6 million. The most it has risen is 4.5 million.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Kessel: 1.2M (How (frank)ing stupid was that to retain salary?)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)

Total: 80.66M - 1.8M in cap space available.

While McDavid will be used by some as the benchmark to what Matthews and Marner get, Kucherov is a better comparable. He scored 80 and then 100 points as a 24 and 25 year old and led the league in scoring for most the year. McDavid won serious hardware that Matthews and Marner simply can't compare to. Tavares had half a dozen teams making him offers to negotiate with. Matthews and Marner won't have that opportunity until they become UFAs. And no team is going to pay four 1st round picks for either in the form of an offer sheet. As RFAs, they can get big pay days but not UFA paydays. That's why they should make less than Tavares. But, if Matthews must get 11M, there's exactly 1.5M still available to give to him so it still works.

Also assumed Kapanen and Johnsson get the same kind of money Brown and Hyman got because that's the likely type of players they can / will be with top-six minutes, given their age and skill set. If they score 20 goals, it's fair to give them what Brown got. If they want more, they can get traded and replaced.

If Marleau retires (which his contract is built for him to do on July 2nd, 2019, after he gets his 3 million dollar bonus and promptly traded to Arizona) it opens 6.5 more in cap space and solves every cap related problem very easily in one shot. Horton is on LTIR, obviously. Even if Marleau doesn't retire, he can fit but obviously the 6.5 million would be better spent on younger, cheaper players. Either way, it still works under the cap.

If the cap, for some incredible reason stays the same and doesn't rise (hasn't happened once yet) trade one of Johnsson, Brown or Hyman to clear cap space. If necessary, trade Zaitsev or Carrick to clear cap space. Replace with cheap UFA / ELC. Zaitsev is obviously the best candidate to be traded out of all the names listed, especially if Ozy can replace him as the Russian RHD.

Give Karlsson an 8 year deal with half of it in signing bonuses and upfront money. Make it lockout guaranteed. He's not as good as Doughty, that's why he gets a touch less but if it's absolutely necessary, making it 11M still fits.

Karlsson fits. Proven. This is why Prindham is the AGM, right?
- Unholy_Goalie

Matthews isn’t getting 9.5.

Marner isn’t getting 7.5.

Karlsson isn’t getting 10.5.

And that team is worse than the current roster. Pass.

If Marleau retires early, don't we get hit with a cap recapture penalty? Or can we simply "Marian Hossa" him?
- PatC80

35+ contract still counts against the cap i believe.

Question period is now open

reposts the drivel from 4 this morning.
- Pen15

Karlsson for Nylander, Gardiner and 2019 1st round pick.

Karlsson easily fits under the cap for 2018/2019 season.

Here's how he fits the next year.

2019/2020 - Salary Cap Ceiling - 82.46M (Assuming cap goes up 2.96M)

The salary cap this year is 79.5 million, up from 75 million in 2018, 73 million in 2017, 71.4 million in 2016, 69 million in 2015, 64.3 million in 2014. On average, the cap rises 2.96 million a year over the past 5 years. The lowest it has risen in the past 5 years is 1.6 million. The most it has risen is 4.5 million.

Marleau (6.5M) / Tavares (11M) / Marner (7.5M)
Hyman (2.25M) / Matthews (9.5M) / Kapanen (2.5M)
Johnsson (2.5M) / Kadri (4.5M) / Brown (2.1M)
UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K) / UFA/ELC (750K)

Kessel: 1.2M (How (frank)ing stupid was that to retain salary?)

Rielly (5M) / Karlsson (10.5M)
Dermott (860K) / Zaitsev (4.5M)
UFA/ELC (1M) / UFA/ELC (1M)

Andersen (5M)
UFA (1M)

Total: 80.66M - 1.8M in cap space available.

While McDavid will be used by some as the benchmark to what Matthews and Marner get, Kucherov is a better comparable. He scored 80 and then 100 points as a 24 and 25 year old and led the league in scoring for most the year. McDavid won serious hardware that Matthews and Marner simply can't compare to. Tavares had half a dozen teams making him offers to negotiate with. Matthews and Marner won't have that opportunity until they become UFAs. And no team is going to pay four 1st round picks for either in the form of an offer sheet. As RFAs, they can get big pay days but not UFA paydays. That's why they should make less than Tavares. But, if Matthews must get 11M, there's exactly 1.5M still available to give to him so it still works.

Also assumed Kapanen and Johnsson get the same kind of money Brown and Hyman got because that's the likely type of players they can / will be with top-six minutes, given their age and skill set. If they score 20 goals, it's fair to give them what Brown got. If they want more, they can get traded and replaced.

If Marleau retires (which his contract is built for him to do on July 2nd, 2019, after he gets his 3 million dollar bonus and promptly traded to Arizona) it opens 6.5 more in cap space and solves every cap related problem very easily in one shot. Horton is on LTIR, obviously. Even if Marleau doesn't retire, he can fit but obviously the 6.5 million would be better spent on younger, cheaper players. Either way, it still works under the cap.

If the cap, for some incredible reason stays the same and doesn't rise (hasn't happened once yet) trade one of Johnsson, Brown or Hyman to clear cap space. If necessary, trade Zaitsev or Carrick to clear cap space. Replace with cheap UFA / ELC. Zaitsev is obviously the best candidate to be traded out of all the names listed, especially if Ozy can replace him as the Russian RHD.

Give Karlsson an 8 year deal with half of it in signing bonuses and upfront money. Make it lockout guaranteed. He's not as good as Doughty, that's why he gets a touch less but if it's absolutely necessary, making it 11M still fits.

Karlsson fits. Proven. This is why Prindham is the AGM, right?
- Unholy_Goalie

So, if the cap doesn't go up by $2.96M, we potentially have to trade up to 5 players and replace with cheaper players? These "cheap" players will likely be players that are well past their prime, or perhaps college free-agents..

That's too big a risk.. Look, I like Karlsson a lot and wish we had him.. Heck, I even sent him a DM on twitter requesting him to demand a trade to the Leafs, but we can't afford him long term..

Question period is now closed

thank you

Delete your account.
- Steven_Seagull

Oh squawk you

35+ contract still counts against the cap i believe.
- Pen15

thanks.. So, we would most definitely have to Marian Hossa him. I don't see a guy like Marleau, who can clearly still play, being ok with that.

Oh squawk you
- PatC80

So, if the cap doesn't go up by $2.96M, we potentially have to trade up to 5 players and replace with cheaper players? These "cheap" players will likely be players that are well past their prime, or perhaps college free-agents..

That's too big a risk.. Look, I like Karlsson a lot and wish we had him.. Heck, I even sent him a DM on twitter requesting him to demand a trade to the Leafs, but we can't afford him long term..
- PatC80

The cap went up 4.5 million last year. I simply took the average. Again, trading the likes of a Brown who could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player is still worth it to add a player like Karlsson. You can replace depth players a lot easier than you can pull a Karlsson out of a hat.

It's a minor risk and it's definitely worth taking for a legit top pairing RHD.

35+ contract still counts against the cap i believe.
- Pen15

Not if he's traded to a cap floor team.
That's the point I think he was trying to get across.

thanks.. So, we would most definitely have to Marian Hossa him. I don't see a guy like Marleau, who can clearly still play, being ok with that.
- PatC80

Neither do I. Barring some sort of injury, my money is on him playing out his contract in full.

Question period is now open
- Symba007

Only questions or comments about taxes, trading for Karlsson, trading Gardiner for a 7th and the fact that Leafs are not contenders please. And make sure that poster that wears a white long-sleeved heavy cotton top - that ties up in the back dominates the conversation.

Not if he's traded to a cap floor team.
That's the point I think he was trying to get across.
- bobbyisno1

So we're "hoping" he retires next year, and we trade the contract to Arizona. The liklihood of that is <5%.

5 posts in a row UG? That's quite the backread.
- Scabeh

its okay... you don't have to back read... its the same bupkiss that he's been spewing for the past week/month or whatever..


if you read what he "suggested" last week... and everyone here's response...

no need back read.

UG should have been GM of the Leafs, Islanders, Sabres and Canadiens all at the same time. He's almost as good as Jack Eichel.

The cap went up 4.5 million last year. I simply took the average. Again, trading the likes of a Brown who could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player is still worth it to add a player like Karlsson. You can replace depth players a lot easier than you can pull a Karlsson out of a hat.

It's a minor risk and it's definitely worth taking for a legit top pairing RHD.
- Unholy_Goalie

EK - $11MM
Matthews - $11MM

Matthews isn’t getting 9.5.

Marner isn’t getting 7.5.

Karlsson isn’t getting 10.5.

And that team is worse than the current roster. Pass.
- Steven_Seagull

Kucherov scored 100 points and got 9.5 but somehow Matthews and Marner are going to get 15 each as RFAs.

Even if they signed 3 year bridge deals, just to make the cap work and then get bigger extensions after Marleau retires, it can still work. There are multiple scenarios.

There was still 1.8 million in cap space so they can all still get more than that too, another thing you just ignored, as usual.

Absolutely no way the Leafs are worse than the current roster.

The cap went up 4.5 million last year. I simply took the average. Again, trading the likes of a Brown who could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player is still worth it to add a player like Karlsson. You can replace depth players a lot easier than you can pull a Karlsson out of a hat.

It's a minor risk and it's definitely worth taking for a legit top pairing RHD.
- Unholy_Goalie

Don’t need him, or can afford him. Pass.

So we're "hoping" he retires next year, and we trade the contract to Arizona. The liklihood of that is <5%.
- Pen15

Well someone is hoping, I don't have a problem with the guy.

Kucherov scored 100 points and got 9.5 but somehow Matthews and Marner are going to get 15 each as RFAs.

Even if they signed 3 year bridge deals, just to make the cap work and then get bigger extensions after Marleau retires, it can still work. There are multiple scenarios.

There was still 1.8 million in cap space so they can all still get more than that too, another thing you just ignored, as usual.

Absolutely no way the Leafs are worse than the current roster.
- Unholy_Goalie

Taxes, baby. Tampa can sign players cheaper because of taxes. Or did you forget all those long winded comments you posted?

EK - $11MM
Matthews - $11MM
- Pen15

They still fit, even at that price. Might have to move a less valuable depth player, not a big deal at all.

Kucherov scored 100 points and got 9.5 but somehow Matthews and Marner are going to get 15 each as RFAs.

Even if they signed 3 year bridge deals, just to make the cap work and then get bigger extensions after Marleau retires, it can still work. There are multiple scenarios.

There was still 1.8 million in cap space so they can all still get more than that too, another thing you just ignored, as usual.

Absolutely no way the Leafs are worse than the current roster.
- Unholy_Goalie

These don't happen very often with players like Matthews & Marner.

Taxes, baby. Tampa can sign players cheaper because of taxes. Or did you forget all those long winded comments you posted?
- Steven_Seagull

So Matthews and Marner are goners I guess. Only Tavares remains with his Leafs bedsheets.