Lol @ habs, sens and dumbass nucks and their jagoff fans who had a laugh ripping the Leafs for (frank)ing ever.

The Leafs are gonna (frank) them to death for a decade and they totally deserve it.
- Zezel

Trade Gardiner as part of the package for Karlsson.

Mike Augello: Echoes, Silence, Patience and Gardiner
- mikeinbuffalo

That’s Gardiner is a Hell of a player. He has his warts but he puts up points and is the Leafs 2nd best defender by a wide margin.

Trade Gardiner as part of the package for Karlsson.
- Unholy_Goalie

Pass

Lol @ habs, sens and dumbass nucks and their jagoff fans who had a laugh ripping the Leafs for (frank)ing ever.

The Leafs are gonna (frank) them to death for a decade and they totally deserve it.
- Zezel

Are you really this stupid? All the fans (yes even Leafs fans) are the same and it is always a small percentage of the total.
Get over it

Are you really this stupid? All the fans (yes even Leafs fans) are the same and it is always a small percentage of the total.
Get over it
- DutchSenators

Yes

Are you really this stupid? All the fans (yes even Leafs fans) are the same and it is always a small percentage of the total.
Get over it
- DutchSenators

um....

I remember that poster.
- BetterCallSaul

See my location. He said that before Christmas of Matthews' rookie year. Quality posting.

I'd like to see Carrick back with Gards

Z with Dermott

See my location. He said that before Christmas of Matthews' rookie year. Quality posting.
- Kinger34

Lmao what a dumbie.

Matthews won't even hit his prime for another 4-5 years. Which is scary to think about.

Same as that McDavid guy. Will be interesting what kind of numbers he will hit when he hits his prime.

Are you really this stupid? All the fans (yes even Leafs fans) are the same and it is always a small percentage of the total.
Get over it
- DutchSenators

Yeah sorry, the jagoff fans can wash my balls while Matthews and Co. ruin their hockey night, I'm not gonna feel the least bit bad about enjoying it. Nice try.

I'd like to see Carrick back with Gards

Z with Dermott
- Santo_44

Ya I'd be okay with that. Gards and Carrick together always seemed to do pretty good.

Out of Carrick, Holl, Ozhiganov, Borgman or possibly even Rosen I wonder who will make the team opening night. Can't count Liljegren out either but I do feel he needs at least one more season in the AHL

So JT gets 11m after how many years playing as a #1C In the NHL?

Saying Matthews will get at least that means that Dubas is either banking on Matthews being a player that can match what JT has/is doing, or, Matthews is already as good as Tavares?

This isn't a troll or a knock on either player, but because they will play in the very same team it's a valid comparison (plus both are C & both can play on the top line - oh, except in the most important game of 1 of their careers {ok that's a little close to a troll }). So which is it? Matthews already as good as Tavares, or, Dubas banking on him being as good? Is either worth 11m?

On the same subject, is Tavares over paid if you have a guy into his 3rd season being paid the same? If Matthews can be paid more then why pay Tavares that figure? I'm a strong believer that Stamkos probably isn't worth his salary. McD & Kopitar are.

So JT gets 11m after how many years playing as a #1C In the NHL?

Saying Matthews will get at least that means that Dubas is either banking on Matthews being a player that can match what JT has/is doing, or, Matthews is already as good as Tavares?

This isn't a troll or a knock on either player, but because they will play in the very same team it's a valid comparison (plus both are C & both can play on the top line - oh, except in the most important game of 1 of their careers {ok that's a little close to a troll }). So which is it? Matthews already as good as Tavares, or, Dubas banking on him being as good? Is either worth 11m?

On the same subject, is Tavares over paid if you have a guy into his 3rd season being paid the same? If Matthews can be paid more then why pay Tavares that figure? I'm a strong believer that Stamkos probably isn't worth his salary. McD & Kopitar are.
- Aussiepenguin

I think there's a general impression that if Matthews isn't better than Tavares right now, there's a good chance he will be over the course of his career, so there's that. Which is saying a lot because Tavares is obviously an elite player but Matthews might be even better.

And it's also a matter of inflation, because Tavares signed his first big contract some years ago and gave the Islanders what turned out to be a good deal, while Matthews will be signing during a time where the trend is for the very top young players to get locked up to max deals. So it's a bit of both, potentially better player signing at in a different NHL economy.

So JT gets 11m after how many years playing as a #1C In the NHL?

Saying Matthews will get at least that means that Dubas is either banking on Matthews being a player that can match what JT has/is doing, or, Matthews is already as good as Tavares?

This isn't a troll or a knock on either player, but because they will play in the very same team it's a valid comparison (plus both are C & both can play on the top line - oh, except in the most important game of 1 of their careers {ok that's a little close to a troll }). So which is it? Matthews already as good as Tavares, or, Dubas banking on him being as good? Is either worth 11m?

On the same subject, is Tavares over paid if you have a guy into his 3rd season being paid the same? If Matthews can be paid more then why pay Tavares that figure? I'm a strong believer that Stamkos probably isn't worth his salary. McD & Kopitar are.
- Aussiepenguin

Yes, Matthews scored 40 goals just hoping he can get to he next level?

Can't compare ufa to rfa. Based on what other Rfa got coming out of entry level that isn't overpaid.

I think there's a general impression that if Matthews isn't better than Tavares right now, there's a good chance he will be over the course of his career, so there's that. Which is saying a lot because Tavares is obviously an elite player but Matthews might be even better.

And it's also a matter of inflation, because Tavares signed his first big contract some years ago and gave the Islanders what turned out to be a good deal, while Matthews will be signing during a time where the trend is for the very top young players to get locked up to max deals. So it's a bit of both, potentially better player signing at in a different NHL economy.
- Zezel

So it's a little future proofing Matthews value? Although if he Is seen as good as Tavares now, Tavares is either over paid or Matthews signing for unders?

I think 11m for either at this stage is overs, by a bit. If Matthews does maximise his talent then ok, but for now with both being on the same team I don't see value in 11m for each player. Tavares isn't worth 11 & he 'might' stay at an elite level for a year or 2, but with the talented on the Leafs, you'll be overpaying your #2 C (as 11m is #1C $$$ at best), risking keeping other high quality players. Unless you win the Cup, then it's all value for a season or 2!

And they have the two main pieces the Leafs are missing: Elite Right Hand shooting defenseman Jared Spurgeon who would instantly become the Leafs best defenseman, and elite defensive forward Nino Niederreitter.

Combined both players make $10.3 million.

In order to get both players, the Leafs would have to send the Wild a pretty good package. The kind of package that Leafs fans don’t like to consider.

Something like Kasperi Kapanen, Timothy Liljegren, Ron Hainsey (so that the Leafs would still have money left to sign Nylander) and multiple first round picks.


What?

And they have the two main pieces the Leafs are missing: Elite Right Hand shooting defenseman Jared Spurgeon who would instantly become the Leafs best defenseman, and elite defensive forward Nino Niederreitter.

Combined both players make $10.3 million.

In order to get both players, the Leafs would have to send the Wild a pretty good package. The kind of package that Leafs fans don’t like to consider.

Something like Kasperi Kapanen, Timothy Liljegren, Ron Hainsey (so that the Leafs would still have money left to sign Nylander) and multiple first round picks.


What?
- burn

lol

Yes, Matthews scored 40 goals just hoping he can get to he next level?

Can't compare ufa to rfa. Based on what other Rfa got coming out of entry level that isn't overpaid.
- burn

Why not? 2 players are going to be both #1C, but 1 has a proven track record of establishing himself as that, the other in his 3rd season but 'projects' as that & both looking at the exact same salary. What 'should' $11m a season give you?

So it's a little future proofing Matthews value? Although if he Is seen as good as Tavares now, Tavares is either over paid or Matthews signing for unders?

I think 11m for either at this stage is overs, by a bit. If Matthews does maximise his talent then ok, but for now with both being on the same team I don't see value in 11m for each player. Tavares isn't worth 11 & he 'might' stay at an elite level for a year or 2, but with the talented on the Leafs, you'll be overpaying your #2 C (as 11m is #1C $$$ at best), risking keeping other high quality players. Unless you win the Cup, then it's all value for a season or 2!
- Aussiepenguin

How is one of the most elite goal scoring centres over paid?

You can't compare the two, different situations.

Ya I'd be okay with that. Gards and Carrick together always seemed to do pretty good.

Out of Carrick, Holl, Ozhiganov, Borgman or possibly even Rosen I wonder who will make the team opening night. Can't count Liljegren out either but I do feel he needs at least one more season in the AHL
- LeafGuy89

At this point I'd just sign Hamuis to a one year deal if he's interested.

Takes the pressure off Hainsey a bit and probably over takes him before seasons end

Why not? 2 players are going to be both #1C, but 1 has a proven track record of establishing himself as that, the other in his 3rd season but 'projects' as that & both looking at the exact same salary. What 'should' $11m a season give you?
- Aussiepenguin

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Because ufa cost more. You can't compare them financially and say one is overpaid. It's totally different intuitions.

The other one is at the top of the goal scoring charts over that time. Based on these two years he's proven plenty.

So it's a little future proofing Matthews value? Although if he Is seen as good as Tavares now, Tavares is either over paid or Matthews signing for unders?

I think 11m for either at this stage is overs, by a bit. If Matthews does maximise his talent then ok, but for now with both being on the same team I don't see value in 11m for each player. Tavares isn't worth 11 & he 'might' stay at an elite level for a year or 2, but with the talented on the Leafs, you'll be overpaying your #2 C (as 11m is #1C $$$ at best), risking keeping other high quality players. Unless you win the Cup, then it's all value for a season or 2!
- Aussiepenguin

I think Matthews might have gotten a bit more if Tavares didn't sign with the Leafs (I say without knowing what he's gonna get, just assuming).

It's probably a good bet that Tavares will be elite for more than a year or two. It's a lot of money to put into two centres, but it's the Pens' model, like with Sid and Malkin. Put the money down the middle because that's what wins.

Why not? 2 players are going to be both #1C, but 1 has a proven track record of establishing himself as that, the other in his 3rd season but 'projects' as that & both looking at the exact same salary. What 'should' $11m a season give you?
- Aussiepenguin

I think Matthews is past 'projecting' as an elite C, he scored forty goals as a rookie and has scored more 5-on-5 goals than anyone in the league since he started, with less minutes. He's in that rare category of a Sid, McD, Malkin, he doesn't really need to prove anything for five seasons or anything like that you can see what he is from day one.

I think Matthews is past 'projecting' as an elite C, he scored forty goals as a rookie and has scored more 5-on-5 goals than anyone in the league since he started, with less minutes. He's in that rare category of a Sid, McD, Malkin, he doesn't really need to prove anything for five seasons or anything like that you can see what he is from day one.
- Zezel

This