Talking to a friend from Saskatoon yesterday. He used to play for Prince Albert. Says that Kirby Dach is a carbon copy of Ryan Getzlaf.
https://www.eliteprospect.../player/268089/kirby-dach

so I noticed last night that a whole bunch of Canucks bloggers (Ryan Biech included) had reposted a stats guy (not sure who he is employed by) had done a statistical structure chart of best 15 NHL prospects (exclusion of prospects drafted in 2018). NOTE - I do not know the metrics to which the list was composed of, but this guy and his list has been praised by some pretty reputable people.


- Codes1087

Doesn't take into account NCAA very well

The only thing that bothers me about these models is that their definition of success is largely based on games played. There isn't a measurement to qualify it as like "Sure he played 400 games, but he was a 3rd overall pick and has scored 60 career points"

I tend to find they have more value for players in later rounds like 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. as thats when you can get an idea of whether you got a player or a pretender.
- Lindenis#1

more games played = higher sample size to make definitive judgements on players.
less games played = less sample size and more variance.

I don't think its a stretch that games played factors into his rankings. His rankings are based off of multiple categories, not just games played as well.

Doesn't take into account NCAA very well
- classic321

no it doesn't. Easy to see notables Makar and Middlestadt not on the list. I am not quite sure where they fit in.

the most odd part about that list, to me anyway, was Juolevi. The other odd part about seeing that list on twitter, is that other teams don't think its completely out of the blue to see Juolevi as a sure-bet prospect. I honestly think the most critical fans of his are Canucks fans themselves. That and Calgary fans for obvious reasons.
- Codes1087

Van fans are generally hard on most prospects that aren't the best prospect in the world.

I think Foote and OJ were slightly high on the list. I would of had them behind the next 3 players.

You don't really get to see the worth of a defender capable of defending until they reach the NHL.

Doesn't take into account NCAA very well
- classic321

There in lies the problem with looking at stats and not watching.

more games played = higher sample size to make definitive judgements on players.
less games played = less sample size and more variance.

I don't think its a stretch that games played factors into his rankings. His rankings are based off of multiple categories, not just games played as well.
- Codes1087

I know that, but what I'm saying is that a lot of these models define their "Yes/No successful" as a number of games that have been played/expected to play in the NHL.

So regardless of whether a guy sucks but racks up 400, 500 games they are considered a successful pick. And if the prospect has comparables to that player they'll get a high probability of success in a model even if you would consider it disappointing based on their pedigree.

no it doesn't. Easy to see notables Makar and Middlestadt not on the list. I am not quite sure where they fit in.
- Codes1087

Mittelstadt numbers were mediocre and Hughes had better numbers than Makar in a tougher conference.

Anders Bjork is the one that sticks out to me.

He is not that good of a prospect.

I know that, but what I'm saying is that a lot of these models define their "Yes/No successful" as a number of games that have been played/expected to play in the NHL.

So regardless of whether a guy sucks but racks up 400, 500 games they are considered a successful pick. And if the prospect has comparables to that player they'll get a high probability of success in a model even if you would consider it disappointing based on their pedigree.
- Lindenis#1

I understand what you are saying about other models, but this model is composed of multiple categories and benchmarks, not just games played, so by all accounts games played doesn't weigh any more heavily on the scale than the other categories. Having said that, the model doesn't bode well for NCAA players, who by default play less than CHL/other. More games played in junior/college in no way equates a higher probability of NHL success, and I don't think his model, or most models, would interpret it that way either.

I understand what you are saying about other models, but this model is composed of multiple categories and benchmarks, not just games played, so by all accounts games played doesn't weigh any more heavily on the scale than the other categories. Having said that, the model doesn't bode well for NCAA players, who by default play less than CHL/other. More games played in junior/college in no way equates a higher probability of NHL success, and I don't think his model, or most models, would interpret it that way either.
- Codes1087

I get your point now.

Yeah the limited NCAA schedule doesn't help it much. I've seen a lot of people talk about how the USHL and NCAA comparables and models they've used need an entire revamp due to how those leagues are producing significantly more players now than they were before.

Mittelstadt numbers were mediocre and Hughes had better numbers than Makar in a tougher conference.

Anders Bjork is the one that sticks out to me.

He is not that good of a prospect.
- classic321

Yeah, for all the hype that Mittelstadt and Makar get, they had very in the pile college seasons.

They're obviously super talented but any projection model wouldn't grade them favourably for coming in at like .65 and .9 PPG anyway.

Mittelstadt numbers were mediocre and Hughes had better numbers than Makar in a tougher conference.

Anders Bjork is the one that sticks out to me.

He is not that good of a prospect.
- classic321

This just shows that Craig Buttons list is still #1

This just shows that Craig Buttons list is still #1
- manvanfan

Greggy Buttons isn't so bad but I just wish he'd stop comparing every prospect to someone in the HOF or Hart/Norris/Vezina trophy converstaion.

Greggy Buttons isn't so bad but I just wish he'd stop comparing every prospect to someone in the HOF or Hart/Norris/Vezina trophy converstaion.
- Lindenis#1

His comparisons are pretty bad

All I know is that Jake went for a nice rollerblade around the Stanley Park Seawall last night, according to his Instagram stories. He seems relaxed enough about the situation.

As mentioned above, Iain MacIntyre asked Benning about Jake and Stecher at the end of this article:

https://twitter.com/Sport...tatus/1017623150685638656

“We’ve still got all summer,” Benning said. “I don’t talk about contract negotiations through the press, but we’re going through the process and we still have lots of time to figure out contracts for them.”
- Carol Schram

What’s the hardest part about roller blading?

Telling your parents you’re gay.


It’s a joke for all the PC’s who might take offense.

I wonder, if Boeser didn't get injured would he have passed Pavel Bure's rookie record? He was only 5 goals away from tying.

D@mn Ian MacIntyre

I wonder, if Boeser didn't get injured would he have passed Pavel Bure's rookie record? He was only 5 goals away from tying.

D@mn Ian MacIntyre
- 93Nucks

He was on pace to do it I believe.

I wonder, if Boeser didn't get injured would he have passed Pavel Bure's rookie record? He was only 5 goals away from tying.

D@mn Ian MacIntyre
- 93Nucks

No doubt in my mind he would of.

Any news on Juolevi?

Can he even walk yet?
- classic321

He looked fat to me.

I wonder, if Boeser didn't get injured would he have passed Pavel Bure's rookie record? He was only 5 goals away from tying.

D@mn Ian MacIntyre
- 93Nucks

They didn't want him passing Linden's 30.

Should have known you would come in with an overvalue of a 2nd pairing defender .

I don't know how trading the rights to Voynov gets them any more cap space.
- manvanfan

He plays with dewy on the first pair, which is why he’s secondary nd on the team in icetime. Should have know you’d reply without actually looking at the player classic minivan

What’s the hardest part about roller blading?

Telling your parents you’re gay.


It’s a joke for all the PC’s who might take offense.
- golfingsince

The funniest part is that you think that’s funny 😂
It would be more offensive if it was actually good.

The funniest part is that you think that’s funny 😂
It would be more offensive if it was actually good.
- neem55

That really hurts coming from hockeybuzz’s foremost authority on humour.

He plays with dewy on the first pair, which is why he’s secondary nd on the team in icetime. Should have know you’d reply without actually looking at the player classic minivan
- neem55

Playing with a difference maker doesn't make you a difference maker.

Muzzin's a fine player but I don't think he'd fix any problems at age 29 as a defensive defenceman approaching 30 and UFA.

He plays with dewy on the first pair, which is why he’s secondary nd on the team in icetime. Should have know you’d reply without actually looking at the player classic minivan
- neem55

That's crazy because NHL.com has him 3rd in TOi. 4th in ES, 4th in SH(by 1sec) and 2nd in PP.

If you go to Leftwinglock you will find that Doughty played more with Forbert then Muzzin.

1/3 of his point are on the PP.