playing devil's advocate....would you pay them a combined 13 million a year? I read somewhere that Schmaltz was lining up for a 6.5 AAV and per Powers hasn't started negioating yet.

- SteveRain

You can't do that. He's restricted isn't he?

If so, let him sign an offer sheet for that.

yes and he was traded how many times? I think it was a few.

I believe Hossa and Luongo's are the last of the old cba contracts.
- SteveRain

I may be mistaken, but pretty sure there are still many deals under the old CBA that could be subject to recapture.

Zetterberg, Weber, Keith, Crosby, Carter, Franzen, Kronwall, Suter, Parise...

I really hope they don't bring the Bread Man back.
- Hank3Henshaw

I love the guy, but so sick of the round trip tickets Stan dishes out. Really would love a fresh set of eyes upstairs. Someone with zero loyalty or attachment to any players in the organization.

Didn't he have concussion issues not long ago? He's only 26 years old, otherwise. Admittedly I have not seen him play very much, though my wife liked to point out his occasional figure skating technique. Does he play a 200-foot game?
- 333inthe3rd

He will go back there a try a little, but like Kane he is looking to break up ice, first and foremost.

Scorers ALWAYS get leeway.

I think it doesn't hurt to add scorers...the trades for Jurco and Duclair were made with the idea they MIGHT actually be scorers and play 200 foot games...

The "master plan" should be obvious - sign Panarin as a UFA next summer and get Schmaltz & DeBrincat signed to bridge deals - if not long-term deals..

Do people really believe Stan traded Panarin knowing he was going to be a UFA in 2 years without intending to resign him? then Panarin refuses an extension from Columbus, then Bowman just happens to set up the Hawks to be in a position to sign Panarin when he's a UFA?..... C'mon...

If I were Bowman, I would try to acquire Patches in a deal for Anisimov - Montreal needs centers and Montreal has a good working relationship with the Hawks - the deal could get done, maybe the Hawks throw in a 2nd round pick and a prospect like Fortin - a good French Canadian boy formally of the QMJHL.... Then play Patches with Toews..

I think a top 6 like this wouldn't be bad:

Saad-Toews-Patches
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Kane

And the Hawks have a ton of bottom 6 options, combinations and chemistry so..

The defense is a mess (for now) but it's a mess because the Hawks have like 10 defenseman that could play #5 D... The Hawks need a top 4... Carolina has insulted the franchise for even allegedly asking about Schmaltz, however Dan Hamhuis would be a good insurance policy..

Ideally Henri Jokiharju would step in and have the confidence to play top 4 minutes..

But who really knows with the D considering this team couldn't find any chemistry at all last season, and it felt like the vets were dragging the kids and the kids were dragging the vets down......

Look I don't think it could get much worse for the Hawks from last year, and with many of these kids getting their first taste of the NHL and that Calder Cup playoff experience they will be a lot more comfortable in their roles if they earn them..

And Kruger is a huge bottom 6 add, he's a two-way beast - he knows what he's doing and he can shut other teams top lines down..

This team has way more potential than it does fail..

The defense tho.......... Not terrible, not anything - just unknown, but with a coach like Q, a little experience and confidence under their belts these kids may turn out to be OK.... They made progress last year, they did a great job in Rockford and trained all summer and lets hope they won't be so wet behind their ears come the fall... And there is a reason to be optimistic - young players can grow tremendously over 6 months - especially when they're in their early 20's... They get stronger, smarter and gain more experience - so for all we know the Hawks have 10 top 4 defenseman on their hands, we just haven't seen it yet...

If Skinner rounded out our top six, then he would elevate our team quite a bit. You wouldn't have kids who weren't ready trying to play above their heads.

I may be mistaken, but I think L_B_R had a breakdown of how/where Skinner scores and many are from close in. We could use a lot more of that on our team.

My educated guess (don't laugh) on why Carolina is trying to trade him is that they are basically trying overhaul their roster after years of stagnation under Francis. Skinner likely would bring back one of the biggest returns for them.
- Chunk

Agree.
I think Carolina feels their first rounder from two years ago Necas has to play, and that Skinner SEEMED like a bargain at $5.75 mil but isn't now that they have a lot of under performing forwards in centre Rask, Staal, and winger Justin Williams...
Necas may see some time on the right side, but I bet he says at centre from the start, and Ferland added to the LW, they have depth there which means unless they find a taker on the fatter contracts of Steal, and Williams, Skinner is the logical subtraction at forward because Svechnikov and Justin Williams will play a lot even if Skinner is again asked to go to the LHRW...

Best guess Wiz ?

What is Stan going to do with all this $ ?

These 'ghost' trades should have the 'actual' player turn up at the Yotes hq, get a press conference & have an official presentation.

It's ridiculous in my opinion this type of trade can happen. Plenty will argue it though.
- Aussiepenguin

What's ridiculous is the fact Arizona takes them on..

Don't they expect that any of their players will be good and want good money? bringing in these dead-weight contracts shows me Arizona as ZERO expectations... It's not like Arizona taking contracts is something new - they've been doing it for a while now...

It's almost as if their plan is to find lightning in a bottle, then when salaries get too much sell of (like the Florida Marlins)...

Arizona is an unusual franchise..

Best guess Wiz ?

What is Stan going to do with all this $ ?
- mrpaulish

Stan is banking it for Tom Wilson

Stralman absolutely...why?
- kwolf68

he is better fit in TB than anywhere except maybe Ottawa....


agree..., but they will pass off Colburn or try and include Callahan to Ottawa, with three of those kids in the farm, Foote, Boris katchouk,or even send Palat's short term plus 5 mil contract or Killorn's deal until he's 34 yrs old to secure Karlsson....

I just find it interesting that the hawks got Hinostorza done fairly quickly and that didn't seem like a guy they weren't building around.

Well, TB went out and gut JT Miller to sign for a reasonable 5.25 that ends when he is 30 years old!

To me, that is a desirable contract to keep or move to someone in a three way deal with Ottawa...

Stan is banking it for Tom Wilson
- vabeachbear

♥️♥️♥️Stanley Cup Champion Tom Wilson♥️♥️♥️ To you sir !

What's ridiculous is the fact Arizona takes them on..

Don't they expect that any of their players will be good and want good money? bringing in these dead-weight contracts shows me Arizona as ZERO expectations... It's not like Arizona taking contracts is something new - they've been doing it for a while now...

It's almost as if their plan is to find lightning in a bottle, then when salaries get too much sell of (like the Florida Marlins)...

Arizona is an unusual franchise..
- Savard2Secord

Don't necessarily agree. They are rebuilding and need to get to the floor. If I'm a fan of them, I'd rather build from within instead of dumping money on washed up, overpaid vets.

They paid Hammer, they paid OEL, think maybe he just doesn't want to waste it and take time away from the youngsters.

The "master plan" should be obvious - sign Panarin as a UFA next summer and get Schmaltz & DeBrincat signed to bridge deals - if not long-term deals..

Do people really believe Stan traded Panarin knowing he was going to be a UFA in 2 years without intending to resign him? then Panarin refuses an extension from Columbus, then Bowman just happens to set up the Hawks to be in a position to sign Panarin when he's a UFA?..... C'mon...

If I were Bowman, I would try to acquire Patches in a deal for Anisimov - Montreal needs centers and Montreal has a good working relationship with the Hawks - the deal could get done, maybe the Hawks throw in a 2nd round pick and a prospect like Fortin - a good French Canadian boy formally of the QMJHL.... Then play Patches with Toews..

I think a top 6 like this wouldn't be bad:

Saad-Toews-Patches
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Kane

And the Hawks have a ton of bottom 6 options, combinations and chemistry so..

The defense is a mess (for now) but it's a mess because the Hawks have like 10 defenseman that could play #5 D... The Hawks need a top 4... Carolina has insulted the franchise for even allegedly asking about Schmaltz, however Dan Hamhuis would be a good insurance policy..

Ideally Henri Jokiharju would step in and have the confidence to play top 4 minutes..

But who really knows with the D considering this team couldn't find any chemistry at all last season, and it felt like the vets were dragging the kids and the kids were dragging the vets down......

Look I don't think it could get much worse for the Hawks from last year, and with many of these kids getting their first taste of the NHL and that Calder Cup playoff experience they will be a lot more comfortable in their roles if they earn them..

And Kruger is a huge bottom 6 add, he's a two-way beast - he knows what he's doing and he can shut other teams top lines down..

This team has way more potential than it does fail..

The defense tho.......... Not terrible, not anything - just unknown, but with a coach like Q, a little experience and confidence under their belts these kids may turn out to be OK.... They made progress last year, they did a great job in Rockford and trained all summer and lets hope they won't be so wet behind their ears come the fall... And there is a reason to be optimistic - young players can grow tremendously over 6 months - especially when they're in their early 20's... They get stronger, smarter and gain more experience - so for all we know the Hawks have 10 top 4 defenseman on their hands, we just haven't seen it yet...
- Savard2Secord

Been borrowing some of Powerenforcers foil??

I really hope they don't bring the Bread Man back.
- Hank3Henshaw

I want him back if he tones his $ down....hometown discount to come "home."

by the way,
where is that guy, who posted here, that he was always talking to Panarin ?...

He should have ALL the insight we need in what Artemi is doing...

Agree.
I think Carolina feels their first rounder from two years ago Necas has to play, and that Skinner SEEMED like a bargain at $5.75 mil but isn't now that they have a lot of under performing forwards in centre Rask, Staal, and winger Justin Williams...
Necas may see some time on the right side, but I bet he says at centre from the start, and Ferland added to the LW, they have depth there which means unless they find a taker on the fatter contracts of Steal, and Williams, Skinner is the logical subtraction at forward because Svechnikov and Justin Williams will play a lot even if Skinner is again asked to go to the LHRW...
- wiz1901

Allegedly Carolina wants Schmaltz, Saad or a 1st for Skinner...

Screw that...

The Hawks are in a great position, now is not the time to be trading away more future assets - especially for a pending UFA unless Anisimov, a pick and mid-tier prospects are going the other way.

Of course the Hawks could screw with Kyle Dubas and throw an offer-sheet at William Nylander..

Why not?

There are plenty of RFA's out there, don't forget that.

Been borrowing some of Powerenforcers foil??
- TheTrob

PowerEnforcersFoil™️

playing devil's advocate....would you pay them a combined 13 million a year? I read somewhere that Schmaltz was lining up for a 6.5 AAV and per Powers hasn't started negioating yet.

- SteveRain

I am not sure...I just know DeBrincat probably has a better argument....
maybe this all about locking Schmaltz up soon...
but...

that 6.5 mil is too rich until I see him score more consistently...

6.5 mil + 6.5 mil

you are linking them like Kane and Toews, eh?

LOL

I want him back if he tones his $ down....hometown discount to come "home."

by the way,
where is that guy, who posted here, that he was always talking to Panarin ?...

He should have ALL the insight we need in what Artemi is doing...
- wiz1901

Indeed, and IMO.. Hawks could get him at 8.5 too...

Financially the Hawks have a clean slate going forward, and if the Hawks can move Anisimov for an expiring contract the Bread Man will be back in Chicago - that was Bowman's goal to begin with..

You can't do that. He's restricted isn't he?

If so, let him sign an offer sheet for that.
- vabeachbear

Yeah, because if Schmaltz doesn't have better point totals I am not sure the arbitrator rules in Nick's favor...but...

do you want to go to the arbitration process ?

sure to save $, but u also want thinks amicable...

Sign them to a cheap contract like Brad Richards or when the two Agular brothers go to Houston from the Bad News Bears.

4 DOLLARS, FOR BOTH OF US.
- stan-ley-cups

Somehow I don't see them signing anywhere. Maybe a rec league back home but that's about it.

Allegedly Carolina wants Schmaltz, Saad or a 1st for Skinner...

Screw that...

- Savard2Secord

that is hard to believe ... maybe that was some faulty two hurricane players to hawks phone rumor...

Carolina-can go pound sand. They are desperately trying to get rid of Skinner and Faulk...and want guys like Schmaltz and Saad from the Hawks? Get lost

Forget the deal with Montreal. Unless Pacioretty can be had for a bargain hard pass.

Hawks need to be looking at solid D-men. The only rumor I like is the one involving Tampa Bay....lets cash in on another team's cap hell instead of trading talented young players for another team's unwanted resources.
- kwolf68

If they were desperately trying to get rid of them, do you think they'd be demanding those other two guys in return?

Sounds like trying to make a hockey deal, not just selling for the sake of it.

The "master plan" should be obvious - sign Panarin as a UFA next summer and get Schmaltz & DeBrincat signed to bridge deals - if not long-term deals..

Do people really believe Stan traded Panarin knowing he was going to be a UFA in 2 years without intending to resign him? then Panarin refuses an extension from Columbus, then Bowman just happens to set up the Hawks to be in a position to sign Panarin when he's a UFA?..... C'mon...

If I were Bowman, I would try to acquire Patches in a deal for Anisimov - Montreal needs centers and Montreal has a good working relationship with the Hawks - the deal could get done, maybe the Hawks throw in a 2nd round pick and a prospect like Fortin - a good French Canadian boy formally of the QMJHL.... Then play Patches with Toews..

I think a top 6 like this wouldn't be bad:

Saad-Toews-Patches
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Kane

And the Hawks have a ton of bottom 6 options, combinations and chemistry so..

The defense is a mess (for now) but it's a mess because the Hawks have like 10 defenseman that could play #5 D... The Hawks need a top 4... Carolina has insulted the franchise for even allegedly asking about Schmaltz, however Dan Hamhuis would be a good insurance policy..

Ideally Henri Jokiharju would step in and have the confidence to play top 4 minutes..

But who really knows with the D considering this team couldn't find any chemistry at all last season, and it felt like the vets were dragging the kids and the kids were dragging the vets down......

Look I don't think it could get much worse for the Hawks from last year, and with many of these kids getting their first taste of the NHL and that Calder Cup playoff experience they will be a lot more comfortable in their roles if they earn them..

And Kruger is a huge bottom 6 add, he's a two-way beast - he knows what he's doing and he can shut other teams top lines down..

This team has way more potential than it does fail..

The defense tho.......... Not terrible, not anything - just unknown, but with a coach like Q, a little experience and confidence under their belts these kids may turn out to be OK.... They made progress last year, they did a great job in Rockford and trained all summer and lets hope they won't be so wet behind their ears come the fall... And there is a reason to be optimistic - young players can grow tremendously over 6 months - especially when they're in their early 20's... They get stronger, smarter and gain more experience - so for all we know the Hawks have 10 top 4 defenseman on their hands, we just haven't seen it yet...
- Savard2Secord

You're living in a dream world.

yes and he was traded how many times? I think it was a few.

I believe Hossa and Luongo's are the last of the old cba contracts.
- SteveRain

Waht about Suter and PArise, arent they on the old scale as well?

The "master plan" should be obvious - sign Panarin as a UFA next summer and get Schmaltz & DeBrincat signed to bridge deals - if not long-term deals..

Do people really believe Stan traded Panarin knowing he was going to be a UFA in 2 years without intending to resign him? then Panarin refuses an extension from Columbus, then Bowman just happens to set up the Hawks to be in a position to sign Panarin when he's a UFA?..... C'mon...

If I were Bowman, I would try to acquire Patches in a deal for Anisimov - Montreal needs centers and Montreal has a good working relationship with the Hawks - the deal could get done, maybe the Hawks throw in a 2nd round pick and a prospect like Fortin - a good French Canadian boy formally of the QMJHL.... Then play Patches with Toews..

I think a top 6 like this wouldn't be bad:

Saad-Toews-Patches
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Kane

And the Hawks have a ton of bottom 6 options, combinations and chemistry so..

The defense is a mess (for now) but it's a mess because the Hawks have like 10 defenseman that could play #5 D... The Hawks need a top 4... Carolina has insulted the franchise for even allegedly asking about Schmaltz, however Dan Hamhuis would be a good insurance policy..

Ideally Henri Jokiharju would step in and have the confidence to play top 4 minutes..

But who really knows with the D considering this team couldn't find any chemistry at all last season, and it felt like the vets were dragging the kids and the kids were dragging the vets down......

Look I don't think it could get much worse for the Hawks from last year, and with many of these kids getting their first taste of the NHL and that Calder Cup playoff experience they will be a lot more comfortable in their roles if they earn them..

And Kruger is a huge bottom 6 add, he's a two-way beast - he knows what he's doing and he can shut other teams top lines down..

This team has way more potential than it does fail..

The defense tho.......... Not terrible, not anything - just unknown, but with a coach like Q, a little experience and confidence under their belts these kids may turn out to be OK.... They made progress last year, they did a great job in Rockford and trained all summer and lets hope they won't be so wet behind their ears come the fall... And there is a reason to be optimistic - young players can grow tremendously over 6 months - especially when they're in their early 20's... They get stronger, smarter and gain more experience - so for all we know the Hawks have 10 top 4 defenseman on their hands, we just haven't seen it yet...
- Savard2Secord

Marchand-Bergeron-Bjork
DeBrusk-Krejci-Pastrnak
Heinen-Donato-Backes
Nordstrom-Kuraly-Accari
Wagner

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Moore-McQuaid
Grzelyck-Miller

Rask
Halak