Why are they trading DinkyCat for two guys he is better than?

So Pat how do you really feel about Tom Wilson?
- Z3Hawk

I'm literally peeing right now. 100% fact.

I wouldn't trade this for him

While the Breadman might have said those kind of inflammatory remarks, I will give him pass for some of the reasons you stated. He was much younger and was not acclaimed...now it is entirely different as he has to toe the line and I am sure his advisors/agents have thoroughly briefed him about it. Now if this was said during his NHL tenure while with the Hawks or Jackets, that's a different story. One thing for sure, he has the backing of the players like Kane and Tazer and that would probably override most things. Oh, BTW the Breadman can play!!! And about his disappearing act in the spring? It takes many to tangle so blame must also be on Kaner, Tazer, Duncs, Seabs, etc and last season he almost single handedly pushed the Jackets past the Caps, up 2-0 and a fluke deflection in OT in game 3 led to their demise but it wasn't because of the Breadman.
- D2D

Gosh I just get tired of the Panarin talk but there is just so much a person can read. People stop re-writing history. Panarin was/is a pain in the butt for the management of hockey teams. Was in Chicago, is in Columbus. Cares only about himself. Makes no effort to speak English or become part of the community or to not speak and act like a total mindless imbecile.

Once and for all - Panarin did NOT “almost single-handedly push the Jackets past the Caps.” At the time when Savoy and others were losing their minds after the first 2 games I reminded everyone of that very fact - that it was after only the first 2 games. I also said the true Panarin would appear which would actually mean he would disappear, which of course, he did for the last 4 games, all loses.

You guys see this ????


Trading Backstrom or Wilson
July 14, 2018, 2:33 PM ET
- mrpaulish[33 Comments]
James Tanner
Washington Capitals Blogger • RSS • Archive • CONTACT
The Washington Capitals remain quiet.

But they should look into trading Nick Backstrom or Tom Wilson.

The expected signing of Tom Wilson has not yet occured. The controversial player is a group two free-agent, but it's a difficult contract to sign. The former first rounder was essentially a fourth liner until this past seasons, and while the Capitals did win the Cup, and Tom Wilson did play mostly on the first line with Backstrom and Ovechkin, it's not that straight forward.

Yes, first line wingers get paid. Especially when they win the cup.

But Tom Wilson only scored 14 goals. He came close to leading the NHL In penalty minutes. Any value he has is sandbagged by the fact that he takes too many penalties and often is off the ice for a fighting major he took against a useless player on the other team.


Tom Wilson

Tanner wrote this. Enough said.

It will not double Crosby’s. Promise you that.

May hit 13 Aav tops.

Rules in cba.
- SteveRain

Matthews was totally invisible in the play-offs. How much is that worth?

Matthews was totally invisible in the play-offs. How much is that worth?
- Z3Hawk

Patrice Bergeron has that effect on opponents.

Patrice Bergeron has that effect on opponents.
- RickJ

Does he? Boston isn’t winning the title every year. Bergeron doesn’t shut everyone down. Also Bergeron wasn’t in the Leafs’ locker room where Matthews was having pre-game meltdowns completely on his own.

Does he? Boston isn’t winning the title every year. Bergeron doesn’t shut everyone down. Also Bergeron wasn’t in the Leafs’ locker room where Matthews was having pre-game meltdowns completely on his own.
- Z3Hawk

He’s 20 - how about letting his maturity catch up to his talent.

I thought that Entwistle was the key for the Hawks in this trade. Everything you read about him loudly says he would have been drafted far earlier if not for bad luck. He was also young as a Draftee having just turned 19 TODAY. He may turn out to be a gem for the Hawks. Had fantastic 2018 play-offs.
- Z3Hawk

One final point his Grandfather played great bass for the Who.

Patrice Bergeron has that effect on opponents.
- RickJ

Babcock has that effect on his team.

Does he? Boston isn’t winning the title every year. Bergeron doesn’t shut everyone down. Also Bergeron wasn’t in the Leafs’ locker room where Matthews was having pre-game meltdowns completely on his own.
- Z3Hawk

Source?

Carolina could say the same thing!
- Marlowe

First year in what, 10 years the Hawks haven't been in the playoffs?

How many times over that same period has Carolina been in.

You guys see this ????


Trading Backstrom or Wilson
July 14, 2018, 2:33 PM ET
- mrpaulish[33 Comments]
James Tanner
Washington Capitals Blogger • RSS • Archive • CONTACT
The Washington Capitals remain quiet.

But they should look into trading Nick Backstrom or Tom Wilson.

The expected signing of Tom Wilson has not yet occured. The controversial player is a group two free-agent, but it's a difficult contract to sign. The former first rounder was essentially a fourth liner until this past seasons, and while the Capitals did win the Cup, and Tom Wilson did play mostly on the first line with Backstrom and Ovechkin, it's not that straight forward.

Yes, first line wingers get paid. Especially when they win the cup.

But Tom Wilson only scored 14 goals. He came close to leading the NHL In penalty minutes. Any value he has is sandbagged by the fact that he takes too many penalties and often is off the ice for a fighting major he took against a useless player on the other team.


Tom Wilson

Mr.P , This kid has almost the same story as a young Al Secord when he played for the Bruins,then he came to Chicago and was put in a position to succeed and became a dam good player, Tom Wilson has all the same tools,don’t know if he would ever become the goal scorer Secord was but I bet he’d get between 20-30 every year playing top 6 here.
The caps will probably re sign him , but if he is available ,I hope Bowman is at least looking into it. You can’t teach balls and grit, Which the Hawks lack. I’d want him on my team right now. Fighting and hitting is part of the game, every player on every team would like A kid like Tom Wilson, for starters ask Jonathan Toews , he’s getting tired of getting rung up and none of his balless players backing him up.
And as far as “ dinky cat” or what ever his nickname is , we’ll see this year once the league adjusts to him and plays him more closely this year. So far so good! Wilson would have his back !

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I also said the true Panarin would appear which would actually mean he would disappear, which of course, he did for the last 4 games, all loses.
- Z3Hawk

...knee injuries tend to do that to hockey players... -signed Bobby Orr's knees.

Mr.P , This kid has almost the same story as a young Al Secord when he played for the Bruins,then he came to Chicago and was put in a position to succeed and became a dam good player, Tom Wilson has all the same tools,don’t know if he would ever become the goal scorer Secord was but I bet he’d get between 20-30 every year playing top 6 here.
The caps will probably re sign him , but if he is available ,I hope Bowman is at least looking into it. You can’t teach balls and grit, Which the Hawks lack. I’d want him on my team right now. Fighting and hitting is part of the game, every player on every team would like A kid like Tom Wilson, for starters ask Jonathan Toews , he’s getting tired of getting rung up and none of his balless players backing him up.
And as far as “ dinky cat” or what ever his nickname is , we’ll see this year once the league adjusts to him and plays him more closely this year. So far so good! Wilson would have his back !
- wonthecup10

Kid's scored at every level he's been at and he got almost 30 last year playing 3rd line mins and almost no PP time. You could be right, but I doubt it.

Two of his biggest strengths coming in along with his shot was a high hockey sense and ability to find soft spots in the defense. I would tend to think him continuing to adjust, finding a level of consistency and scoring at a higher clip is more likely.

Kid's scored at every level he's been at and he got almost 30 last year playing 3rd line mins and almost no PP time. You could be right, but I doubt it.

Two of his biggest strengths coming in along with his shot was a high hockey sense and ability to find soft spots in the defense. I would tend to think him continuing to adjust, finding a level of consistency and scoring at a higher clip is more likely.
- HawkintheD

His shot is instant and his hockey sense is high, no question. I think a lot has to do with how the games get called. If the refs call the interference away from the puck on the weak side that's a good thing and should generate powerplays. Now if the PP is good not only do the hawks get goals on it but it makes the opposition more reluctant to take an interference penalty on the kid. If that's the way it plays out I have to believe the kid is going to continue to be dangerous.

With all the hate about Anisimov's FO #s and the lack of a big LW to play with smaltz/Kane. Could there be a fit there? Especially if Kruger locks down his old role. While AA may lack speed, I feel that is the best in house option.

His shot is instant and his hockey sense is high, no question. I think a lot has to do with how the games get called. If the refs call the interference away from the puck on the weak side that's a good thing and should generate powerplays. Now if the PP is good not only do the hawks get goals on it but it makes the opposition more reluctant to take an interference penalty on the kid. If that's the way it plays out I have to believe the kid is going to continue to be dangerous.
- 6628

100% agreed as I have been singing his praises all along, unbeknownst that he "might" be on the market. As a power forward in today's game is how he is different...besides being mean, sandpaperish, big, he can flat out skate and play. He can make plays with little passes that most power forwards can only dream of (their forte is agitation, net presence, and maybe outside speed going to the net) and that comes with his aforementioned hockey IQ. That said, the drawbacks are there as well. Obviously, his name is up with the team, players, and league so he is a marked man and closely watched. Flat out, he has to tone down his borderline dirty play without affecting his physical presence in the context of the plays. He can play on either Tazer's or Schmaltzy's line if this does pan out but my sense is pipe dreams.

First year in what, 10 years the Hawks haven't been in the playoffs?

How many times over that same period has Carolina been in.
- vabeachbear

Point is it’s all in your perspective. Hawks haven’t been the same dominant team the last 3 years they were form 2010 to 2015 - where they were always in a game or a series and could never be counted out. Where you could say there’s still a lot of hockey left to play and know that they wouldn’t disappoint- win or lose. Not saying CAR is better team, but right now they are on more of an upswing. That said, I firmly believe that Stan isn’t done yet though I also agree with Mr Ricochet that I could see them shoring up just enough to make the hockey bearable this season, with an eye to 2 years out.

Point is it’s all in your perspective. Hawks haven’t been the same dominant team the last 3 years they were form 2010 to 2015 - where they were always in a game or a series and could never be counted out. Where you could say there’s still a lot of hockey left to play and know that they wouldn’t disappoint- win or lose. Not saying CAR is better team, but right now they are on more of an upswing. That said, I firmly believe that Stan isn’t done yet though I also agree with Mr Ricochet that I could see them shoring up just enough to make the hockey bearable this season, with an eye to 2 years out.
- Marlowe

But the point of that conversation was in my opinion, quit offering up trades for all the Hawks younger guys or prospects, for all the older guys on a team that has basically never made playoffs, it just doesn't seem to make sense to me.

But the point of that conversation was in my opinion, quit offering up trades for all the Hawks younger guys or prospects, for all the older guys on a team that has basically never made playoffs, it just doesn't seem to make sense to me.
- vabeachbear

Totally agree there. Hawks don’t have the prospects and picks to spare.

With all the hate about Anisimov's FO #s and the lack of a big LW to play with smaltz/Kane. Could there be a fit there? Especially if Kruger locks down his old role. While AA may lack speed, I feel that is the best in house option.
- zm333

If Marcus Kruger is your 3rd line center you’re in trouble. Compare the Hawks center depth minus AA to the rest of the league and it looks incredibly weak. Gotta be strong down the middle to win in the playoffs.

I can see Stan doing the 1 year deal with Rick Nash. So a top 6 would be:

Nash Toews Cat
Saad Schmaltzy Kaner

Nash and AA camped out in front of the net on the PP would look pretty good!

If Marcus Kruger is your 3rd line center you’re in trouble. Compare the Hawks center depth minus AA to the rest of the league and it looks incredibly weak. Gotta be strong down the middle to win in the playoffs.
- SimpleJack

I'm thinking that Kruger is best suited as a 4C but this would be ideal if the Hawks can roll 3 talented offensive lines and a 4th line that can play significant minutes as a shutdown line (as opposed to just 2 scoring lines, a checking 3rd line, and a banger 4th line). Kruger as 4C won't be effective if he is relegated to stereotypical minutes of a 4th line that plays limited minutes because the 4th liners bring very little to the ice.

So what if Kruger is paired with Kunitz? While getting older, Kunitz can still play with his skill, nastiness, and veteran experience. Put Hayden with them and that may be a great 4th line as they can both mentor him to balance his defensive assignments with being a scorer who can be both opportunistic and a bulldog. The 3 of them would have the collective experience and complementary skill to log 15-20 minutes a night if needed.

Kruger should still be a top option for faceoffs, especially in the D-Zone and during key game situations, as well as for PK. Kunitz and Hayden should also be prime options for the PP.

All of this of course is predicated on locking down who plays 3C. The status quo if no more roster changes are made is Toews, Schmaltz, Anisimov, and Kruger.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...Classic-and-More/45/93947

Good honest analysis of Manning by the Flyers HB blogger. He describes Manning as effective if he is in the 6th spot meaning the 1-5 spots are stacked. That wasn't the Flyers last year and is certainly not the Hawks this year (or last year for that matter). The blog talks about Manning's limitations and the main praise are his maximum effort and capacity to stick up for his teammates. Admirable no doubt, but far from ideal if there are questions marks up and down the Hawks blueline.

I'm in the camp that wants to give Manning a chance to play an effective role on the Hawks. Just like every other player, his success hinges on everyone being properly slotted and/or everyone buying into and employing a relentless system. Attack in waves on offense and shrink the ice on defense.