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StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 14 @ 3:37 PM ET
Still only a small part. From store layout to supply chain issues to overhead to branding, Sears just did not keep up. They are simply a bigger version store who was over taken by the big players like Walmart, then Amazon, plus they did not do well on the net. They were years behind competition on using the net. Couple that with bricks and mortar overhead, they screwed themselves. The (original version) part I miss by far the most is Craftsman.
- blackhawk24


The part I miss most is using the catalogue pages as toilet paper...in the outhouse....

Yeah, just a part of the problem - but lots of little things make up the big problems you refer to.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 14 @ 3:40 PM ET
For discussion sake:

Trade proposal

Debricant for Wilson and 3rd/prospect

or

Debricant 1st 2019 3rd Forsling for Truoba or Karlsson

- Scott1977


What do you have against Dinky?
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 3:50 PM ET
What do you have against Dinky?
- HawkintheD


Nothing just saying if the hawks are going to get top3 caliber D man to me he is piece that would have to go back. Wilson brings something the hawks need a power forward with size physicality edge to his game open up room for the star players. Are there pitfalls with Wilson yes takes stupid penalties, so did shaw, suspended a lot score only 15 goals last year. there is pros and cons to the trade proposal.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jul 14 @ 3:54 PM ET
For discussion sake:

Trade proposal

Debricant for Wilson and 3rd/prospect

or

Debricant 1st 2019 3rd Forsling for Truoba or Karlsson

- Scott1977


There is no way you are suggesting Tom Wilson is worth Debrincat?

I wouldn't give a squirt of urine for Wilson
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 14 @ 4:14 PM ET
I have seen the notion that Schmaltz isn't willing to put n work to get better. I think the evidence suggests exactly the opposite.

After his freshman year at ND, he was told by the Hawks they wanted him to be more of a two way player. The next season at ND he did exactly that. During his first season with the Hawks, he was sent down with instructions to shoot more. Once again, he did exactly that and returned fairly quickly.

Probably his two biggest mentors in hockey are Kane and Pavelski. Both of whom are notorious rink rats/hard workers on their craft. He spent time with both of them during the summer. His brother also gives him a kick in the ass.

If you have any doubts about his talent level, do yourself a favor and go watch some clips of his last WJC. He was on the same PP unit as Eichel and Matthews. And he was the best player on the ice. I am not saying he is at the same level but it was pretty impressive that he was able to stand out playing with those two.

- Elbows15


I don't believe the Hawks would be dumb enough to trade Schmaltz, the problem with acquiring Faulk and Skinner is age and $$$$$, a young budding top 6 player has so much value in today's NHL. Slavin for Schmaltz then maybe but otherwise no thanks
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 14 @ 4:15 PM ET
For discussion sake:

Trade proposal

Debricant for Wilson and 3rd/prospect

or

Debricant 1st 2019 3rd Forsling for Truoba or Karlsson

- Scott1977




Im not even down for this .....
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jul 14 @ 4:19 PM ET
There is no way you are suggesting Tom Wilson is worth Debrincat?

I wouldn't give a squirt of urine for Wilson

- PatShart

No totally two types of players just trying start a new dicussion besides talking about panrin and him not coming back to the hawks.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 14 @ 4:29 PM ET
Now I'm not going to say Hayden is going to be all that, but there has been a handful of times where he has been very tough on the puck. Last year the 4th line was very very effective and it was no coincidence to me when he was sent to Rockford then they weren't.

He intrigues me because he flashes NHL talent in fact more so than a lot of kids on this team

It's also no coincidence two of the players the Hawks traded complained about not knowing their role? Sometimes its better to just keep your mouth shut instead of admitting you don't understand the system and the scary part is they had all this time to learn it.
HamiltonHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.13.2015

Jul 14 @ 4:30 PM ET
Wow lots of posts to read since the Hossa deal think it was a good move . I hope Bown dosnt blow the space on a long term 30 something player. We would be right back to where we were
Not liking hearing Schmaltz and 1st for Skinner and Faulk Bowman needs to keep thinking future and keeping long term cap space. No one untouchable but I would holding on to Cat and Schmaltz. I like the idea of trying to get a few veterans if it's for one year aND we're not giving futures . Strawman would be nice . Nash I think he is done , think his hands are done .
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jul 14 @ 5:11 PM ET
No totally two types of players just trying start a new dicussion besides talking about panrin and him not coming back to the hawks.
- Scott1977


If they added Vrana in place of the pick/prospect, I'd do it.

Vrana/Wilson for ADB/Kruger and Wilson signs for less than $3 mil
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:12 PM ET
Spent many an hour in that 6 corners store growing up. Sad. Badly mismanaged and another in a long line of names from our youth that couldn't figure out today's commerce and gone to the great shopping mall in the sky.
- savvyone-1


Six corners? I grew up in Jefferson Park. Walking 4 blocks to go “Up Jeff” for the two-block run of local department stores was a treat. Jumping on the bus down Milwaukee Ave to go the six corners was a once a year treat. It was bigger for us then than it is for my daughter to go Downtown these days.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:16 PM ET
Makes me think of maybe moving the Arizona team to Seattle where it would be well received instead of expanding (as was considered a while ago). But it certainly would be hard for the league to turn down the expansion payout in that case.
- totem


I believe moving (and selling) Arizona to Seattle would be the better move for NHL hockey instead of expanding and further diluting talent. Problem is the owners are looking at a $500m payday that only serves their interests and not the games.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
Honestly, not posting to start some off - track left vs right debate, but...

If I was in my twenties, unattached, and I was asked, I would probably say, I never have dated black women or asian women, and are more simply attracted to a certain type...not to say,I couldn't met the right Asian/Black or "other" if in the right circumstances, they were in my sphere of friends.

Did he say I would never date a black women?

Could that be through translation (and even the prejudice of the translator) that made
have "ever been attracted / known " into I don't like black women?

I is kinda like asking Jonathan Toews or Dylan Sikura have they ever been attracted cute men, how does someone answer that w/o being considered a homophobe, when it is really more about preference?

For all I know Panarin said he simply doesn't like black woemn, they are not sexy, and started citing negative physical reasons....but out seems like the Hawk big brother compound that had Andrew Shaw spotting whatever came out of his mouth can't be too concerned with something that might be "lost in translation."

- wiz1901


And for all we know, Panarin said he never dated a “Black Russian” and that got lost in the translation.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:22 PM ET
Except, of course, you said “...he almost single handedly pushed the Jackets past the Caps”.

If you can single out one player on the plus side, why not on the negative?

- StLBravesFan


I do not believe Panarin lost the playoff series to Nashville. That was a total team meltdown that every single player who laced them up contributed to.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:24 PM ET
He played 78 games last year, what is average??
- vabeachbear


79.[r] Now we know that he underperformed. [/r]
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:25 PM ET
Glad you enjoyed, I figured it was the phone typing and not you. Happens to me all the time.

To Sage, nice list of stores gone (what about Goldblatt's, EJ Corvette, Turnstyle or NW Federal Savings, also by 6 corners) and financial institutions too.

- savvyone-1


Rothchilds for my one grammar school suit.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:30 PM ET
I was just st cherry-picking - I go back to long-standing stores like The Fair, Boston Store, Mandel Brothers, Maurice L. Rothschild, Morry Mages Sports....

Too bad most businesses can’t keep up with changing times, but ok - new players with new ideas.

- StLBravesFan


The new guys in often have it easier competing than the established entities. And some of the guys that were successful with a handful of stores could not scale up successfully. Or look at toys r us, who supposedly died because the new owner from several years ago leveraged the s**t out of the store and took their profit on the sale immediately by burying the company in debt from which it could not recover.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:43 PM ET
Entwistle was diagnosed with mononucleosis in February, and started losing much of his wright and muscle. He only played 54 games this season, where he scored 12 goals and 25 points for the Hamilton Bulldogs, including him coming back to score just one point in his last nine games in the regular season. He did add two points in seven playoff games.
The post mono play is what had him lasting into the start of the third round, when it looked like a goos solid season would have had him as a late first rounder in the Hayton mold, where you draft him and watch closely and help build his game into a stronger one with improving hs puck skills and improving his later agility.
The issue was he was on an upward track with Hamilton, learning to use his size and was adding grit.
He was viewed as a top six JUNIOR league forward, one who was smart, could hold off defenders and drive on offense, and set up positionally on defense, and when pucks came his way he would quickly advance it so his team could transition out of their end.
The coaches loved him b/c of the work ethic, as penalty killer.
He works and works at both ends relentlessly.
He’s willing to do the little things to help your team succeed, even if it doesn’t show on the score sheet.
What makes Entwistle interesting for me is that he has some offensive upside. He is a good skater with underrated hands. He also showed a nice ability to finish, especially in the Top Prospects game.
He has seen lots of time on wing but also might have enough North-South ability to be a centre.
Arizona probably felt they had similar guys in age and ability and were willing to let him develop elsewhere (or not).
Here is the thing:
because they hawks are continuing to build around quick and fast handed, no thinking attackers at both positions, it might be a perfect place for this kid to gain confidence when he gets more chances with the skilled guys.
So far, there was not the scoring side bubbling, or the confidence that starts to happen when the younger guys see they can be scoring factors.
So he appears to be this one dimensional guy, but that may very well start to change...lots on NHL players have been drafted later who looked very similar to him and have blossomed into confident scorers....the other thing is he looked realty good in the Ivan Hlinka and the later in the U-18 tourney and those international events are good measuring sticks...he is quick enough, but needs to add the east west mobility, he hits defenseman when he gets in there, and he has got a bit of that Austin Watson type demeanor with some upside too.

- wiz1901


I thought that Entwistle was the key for the Hawks in this trade. Everything you read about him loudly says he would have been drafted far earlier if not for bad luck. He was also young as a Draftee having just turned 19 TODAY. He may turn out to be a gem for the Hawks. Had fantastic 2018 play-offs.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jul 14 @ 5:45 PM ET
Im not even down for this .....
- mrpaulish



C'mon
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 14 @ 5:46 PM ET
You guys see this ????


Trading Backstrom or Wilson
July 14, 2018, 2:33 PM ET [33 Comments]
James Tanner
Washington Capitals Blogger • RSS • Archive • CONTACT
The Washington Capitals remain quiet.

But they should look into trading Nick Backstrom or Tom Wilson.

The expected signing of Tom Wilson has not yet occured. The controversial player is a group two free-agent, but it's a difficult contract to sign. The former first rounder was essentially a fourth liner until this past seasons, and while the Capitals did win the Cup, and Tom Wilson did play mostly on the first line with Backstrom and Ovechkin, it's not that straight forward.

Yes, first line wingers get paid. Especially when they win the cup.

But Tom Wilson only scored 14 goals. He came close to leading the NHL In penalty minutes. Any value he has is sandbagged by the fact that he takes too many penalties and often is off the ice for a fighting major he took against a useless player on the other team.


Tom Wilson
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 5:59 PM ET
Wow lots of posts to read since the Hossa deal think it was a good move . I hope Bown dosnt blow the space on a long term 30 something player. We would be right back to where we were
Not liking hearing Schmaltz and 1st for Skinner and Faulk Bowman needs to keep thinking future and keeping long term cap space. No one untouchable but I would holding on to Cat and Schmaltz. I like the idea of trying to get a few veterans if it's for one year aND we're not giving futures . Strawman would be nice . Nash I think he is done , think his hands are done .

- HamiltonHawk


Can’t trade Schmaltz. Can’t trade First pick. Can’t trade Saad. Can’t trade Cat. All would be dumb. The rumours seen ridiculous. At least they better be.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jul 14 @ 6:05 PM ET
There is no way you are suggesting Tom Wilson is worth Debrincat?

I wouldn't give a squirt of urine for Wilson

- PatShart


So Pat how do you really feel about Tom Wilson?
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jul 14 @ 6:06 PM ET
You guys see this ????


Trading Backstrom or Wilson
July 14, 2018, 2:33 PM ET

- mrpaulish[33 Comments]
James Tanner
Washington Capitals Blogger • RSS • Archive • CONTACT
The Washington Capitals remain quiet.

But they should look into trading Nick Backstrom or Tom Wilson.

The expected signing of Tom Wilson has not yet occured. The controversial player is a group two free-agent, but it's a difficult contract to sign. The former first rounder was essentially a fourth liner until this past seasons, and while the Capitals did win the Cup, and Tom Wilson did play mostly on the first line with Backstrom and Ovechkin, it's not that straight forward.

Yes, first line wingers get paid. Especially when they win the cup.

But Tom Wilson only scored 14 goals. He came close to leading the NHL In penalty minutes. Any value he has is sandbagged by the fact that he takes too many penalties and often is off the ice for a fighting major he took against a useless player on the other team.


Tom Wilson

Yep! His past season is like Bickell in 2013 only Wilson is just 24. IIRC Bicks was 29-30 at that time and got paid.
steve-hist-sdc
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 12.30.2016

Jul 14 @ 6:40 PM ET
It's a pretty simple question. No need to get all indignant, rolling up your sleeves and crap.

If he almost singlehandedly won that series, how come he wasn't able to close the deal? Just curious. Wasn't looking for a list of comp failures. Also, where do you get that Cam Atkinson was a bigger name going into that series? Panarin was their best player in the reg season, maybe excluding Bobro, so how is he not a bigger name and counted on more heavily going into that series than Cam Atkinson?

I don't think anyone denies Panarin is a good player and will get paid but he hasn't proven he's money come playoff time yet...sure maybe for a few games but he hasn't exceeded that.

- HawkintheD


Knee injury that was undisclosed at the time I read... kinda tough to be superman sometimes .. but before that he was all everything in that series.

https://www.cbssports.com...in-admits-to-knee-injury/

That being said I wouldn't mortgage anything for Panarin - just sign him next year, to long term; let Columbus worry about being Tavares'd in the meantime.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jul 14 @ 6:50 PM ET
Yep! His past season is like Bickell in 2013 only Wilson is just 24. IIRC Bicks was 29-30 at that time and got paid.
- Assman22

Not totally - 15 of Bickell's 17 points that post season were primary vs Wilson only having 6 of 15. I was reading an article about how 6 of Wilson's points came 8 or more seconds after he touched the puck last. I cannot compare that to Bickell cause I do not know his times but it shows that Wilson's production was padded a bit by secondary assists. Good playoff run still, but not exactly as good as Bickell's.

If Wilson had gone the arbitration route, the primary points issue and his penalty history would have downgraded his value. He and the Caps did not file so they're trying to work something out that way.

Also just to note Bickell had turned 27 the March before the 2013 playoff run. He got paid because he was a UFA and could have walked.
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