No, you're right... Teravainen threw more hits. Seriously. 36 hits in 115 games with the Hawks. Schmaltz has 33 in 139.

I'm talking about the level of hype around him. He's a good young player, but cut it out with the Spezza junk. That's not realistic in the slightest and all it's going to do is make a bunch of mouth breathers upset when he doesn't reach those levels.
- BINGO!

Right, because Schmaltz was too busy being a skilled.

Lucky you put in there that Wilson is a better skater for which I will add that Wilson can make plays with little outlet passes and little triangle passes in the O zone that I do not believe Hayden can do especially this early in his career. While Hayden has promise Wilson is much better at the same stage.
- D2D

Ahhh...the false legend of Tom Wilson grows

His first 82gms he had a whopping 10pts. Then 17 the next season in 67 games

Hayden has my played 59gms and had 17pts

Wilson is soooooooooooo.....ooooooooo
....ooooooooo....over rated by people on here it must be some sort of joke. He can make "triangle passes"? What are those?

Faulk is a younger version of Mike Green who nobody but Detroit had any interest in as a UFA 2 weeks ago because he is purely an offensive defenceman.

And there are 30 GM's out there who now see Carolina has 5 Dmen making between $4M and $5.75M plus TVR @ $2.3M. That's way too much salary tied up on the back end of a team that can't score and has 2 sh$tty goaltenders.

Worse still Don Wadddell has never GM'd a good NHL team. They better hope Rick Dudley saves him and the owner from their own ineptness.
- RickJ

Don Waddell doesn't make decisions.

Neither does Rick Dudley.

Waddell is just there to be the guy who makes the actual phone calls. Strategy is determined by Eric Tulsky. Player evaluation is done as a collective.

Well aware of capfriendly. Was said to see capgeek go.

So you’re assuming Columbus is going to trade panarin (because they will if he won’t sign lt) said team who gets him and gives up a boat load won’t be able to sign him and then he comes to hawks and doesn’t sign elsewhere for higher money?

That’s a lot of variables. I appreciate panarin but that seems far fetched to me. We shall see. If it happens give you full kudos.
- SteveRain

No, I know that Panarin is a UFA next summer, refused to sign and extension with CBL and that Bowman will sign him and I know that was Bowman's intent all along.

No they are wasting everyone's time. It's a farce to be asking for Schmaltz and a first rounder for Skinner. Schmatlz is already a better player than Skinner thus I wouldn't give Schmaltz for that guy straight up and I trust neither will Bowman. If Carolina really asked for that for Skinner then they can go pound sand.
- kwolf68

No question Schmaltzy is not only better right now but he is also younger with a greater upside. Plus he can play center or wing and his point totals will come as he is a pass-first guy, might say over-passer.

Right, because Schmaltz was too busy being a skilled.
- Savard2Secord

Whatever dude. Don't say I didn't warn you when he fails to hit 65 points.

I don't think Sebastian Aho has point-per-game potential and he's a year and a half younger than Schmaltz, with almost twice as many goals in only 21 more games.

Schmaltz is a nice player, but you guys are getting into TT Hype territory again here.
- BINGO!

Are you suggesting that Schmaltz has peaked - hit his ceiling - not going to get any better? A 22-year old pass-first center who hasn't even played 2 full seasons in the NHL yet and yet out scored Skinner 52-49 last season? As for TT hype - I believe he scored 15 more points than Skinner last year. Skinner is a nice player, but so is Schmaltz. No way I trade the 22-year old still on his ELC for the guy already making over $5M with 1-year left before UFA.

Faulk is a younger version of Mike Green who nobody but Detroit had any interest in as a UFA 2 weeks ago because he is purely an offensive defenceman.

And there are 30 GM's out there who now see Carolina has 5 Dmen making between $4M and $5.75M plus TVR @ $2.3M. That's way too much salary tied up on the back end of a team that can't score and has 2 sh$tty goaltenders.

Worse still Don Wadddell has never GM'd a good NHL team. They better hope Rick Dudley saves him and the owner from their own ineptness.
- RickJ

Thanks Rick. I was trying to put a name to Faulk. Green is a great comparable.

PASS

Way too much to give up for a 1 dimensional player. Between him manning Murphy and our plethora of unproven d men Keith will be dead by veterans game playing 45 minutes a night.

Whatever dude. Don't say I didn't warn you when he fails to hit 65 points.
- BINGO!

LOL, yea failure at 65 points ...... What is you expecation? 90?

65-70 points would be awesome, lol...

WTF...

No, I know that Panarin is a UFA next summer, refused to sign and extension with CBL and that Bowman will sign him and I know that was Bowman's intent all along.
- Savard2Secord

Columbus will trade him and any team worth a damn will want an extension agreed to as part of the process of giving Columbus a good return.

No way in hell hes finishing in Columbus and walking for free and landing at 1901 w madison. There will be another step in there.

And what team can operate with 4 cap hits north of 7 million (7/19/88 and panarin).

Talk about cap hell.

Mercy.

Columbus will trade him and any team worth a damn will want an extension agreed to as part of the process of giving Columbus a good return.

No way in hell hes finishing in Columbus and walking for free and landing at 1901 w madison. There will be another step in there.

And what team can operate with 4 cap hits north of 7 million (7/19/88 and panarin).

Talk about cap hell.

Mercy.
- SteveRain

You think that is bad??? wait until you see Matthews new contract it should double Crosbys ...

I would do smaltz 1st in 2020 a 3rd and forsling to Winnipeg for truoba and lowery lemuix or 2nd in 2019 then trade AA and 2019 2nd and 5th to Montreal for patch. Send a 7th to vegas for Lindberg. Just spit balling but seriously teams up against cap that want shed a salary so they can a move and young assets and picks back. Tampa is a great example Toronto Winnipeg all will feel the pain of the hard cap that hawks have been suffering through the last 10 years. Lets turn the tables on those teams.

No, I know that Panarin is a UFA next summer, refused to sign and extension with CBL and that Bowman will sign him and I know that was Bowman's intent all along.
- Savard2Secord

Let’s do some math here

Toews and Kane 21 million combined cap hit
Saad 6
Seabrook 6.88
Keith 5.54
Murphy 3.85

That’s in 2020-21

That’s assuming you get rid of AA

So add panarin in at 8 Aav minimum and you have 43 million before panarin committed to 6 guys

Even if cap goes up 10 million you have 38 million to sign 2 goalies 12-14 skaters.

Also known as 2.7 per guy. Gods speed.

You think that is bad??? wait until you see Matthews new contract it should double Crosbys ...
- Savard2Secord

It will not double Crosby’s. Promise you that.

May hit 13 Aav tops.

Rules in cba.

Dude, seriously?

You're getting a 26 year old 30 goal scorer and a RHD who you'd be buying low on, and you think the Canes need to be ponying up more? They're not even asking you for two players!

Nick Schmaltz is a nice piece. He was productive for you last season, and that's great, but he's never produced goals at ANY level the way Skinner produces them at the NHL level.

Did you know that Schmaltz had more ice time last season than Skinner did yet had less than HALF the number of shot attempts of Skinner? He also threw fewer hits, and had more points on the Powerplay than Skinner did. And that's with nearly identical offensive and defensive zone splits.

Oh, and one has a career shooting percentage of just shy of 11%, while the other, a TWENTY TWO YEAR OLD, shot almost 18% last year.

So I dunno, maybe the guy who routinely scores 25+ goals and has done that now for 8 years might be a little more valuable and reliable than the guy with 27 career NHL goals who shot 18 (frank)ing percent last season.
- BINGO!

Dude, seriously?

Last year was Schmaltz" first full season, so maybe give him a chance before you relegate him to a "nice piece".

Also, like Wolf was saying the rumor reported was Schmaltz and a 1st for Skinner...no way the Hawks do that let alone straight up for Skinner alone, no matter how rosy you paint the picture.

Schmaltz had 20 goals with a higher shooting percentage and fewer shots but he could easily have had more goals if he shot the puck more. He's a 22 year old player with a pass first mentality who got his feet wet as a 20 year old and just spent his first full season in the NHL...25-30 goals and 60-70 pts is not a stretch for this guy and it's reasonable to think he'll hit those numbers this season.

Columbus will trade him and any team worth a damn will want an extension agreed to as part of the process of giving Columbus a good return.

No way in hell hes finishing in Columbus and walking for free and landing at 1901 w madison. There will be another step in there.

And what team can operate with 4 cap hits north of 7 million (7/19/88 and panarin).

Talk about cap hell.

Mercy.
- SteveRain

The Hawks can easily fit Bread back into the lineup...

Yea Anisimov needs to be traded...

Panarin wants to come back to the Hawks.

Ahhh...the false legend of Tom Wilson grows

His first 82gms he had a whopping 10pts. Then 17 the next season in 67 games

Hayden has my played 59gms and had 17pts

Wilson is soooooooooooo.....ooooooooo
....ooooooooo....over rated by people on here it must be some sort of joke. He can make "triangle passes"? What are those?
- PatShart

He serves a purpose. Has some skill. Creates room. Plays on edge. Those guys sometimes are more valuable then stats lead on come playoff time. IMO.

Columbus will trade him and any team worth a damn will want an extension agreed to as part of the process of giving Columbus a good return.

No way in hell hes finishing in Columbus and walking for free and landing at 1901 w madison. There will be another step in there.

And what team can operate with 4 cap hits north of 7 million (7/19/88 and panarin).

Talk about cap hell.

Mercy.
- SteveRain

What are you talking about? Seabs cap hit is only $6.875M. Good point though. This top-heavy theory is what got SB's nuts in a vice. Ass-u-me(d) the cap was going to grow far and away faster than it did. And he is paying thru the nose for it as well.

Ahhh...the false legend of Tom Wilson grows

His first 82gms he had a whopping 10pts. Then 17 the next season in 67 games

Hayden has my played 59gms and had 17pts

Wilson is soooooooooooo.....ooooooooo
....ooooooooo....over rated by people on here it must be some sort of joke. He can make "triangle passes"? What are those?
- PatShart

🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

Bowman will trade Schmaltz straight up for Panerin if he gets an extension commitment ahead of time???????🤔

No, you're right... Teravainen threw more hits. Seriously. 36 hits in 115 games with the Hawks. Schmaltz has 33 in 139.

I'm talking about the level of hype around him. He's a good young player, but cut it out with the Spezza junk. That's not realistic in the slightest and all it's going to do is make a bunch of mouth breathers upset when he doesn't reach those levels.
- BINGO!

At their same stage Schmaltzy is by far the better defender with back and zone pressure. I would call their offensive capabilities even as Schmaltzy is faster and can back off defenders and quick counters whereas TT has better hands and in tight play-making abilities.

Just so I have everything straight here:

We are going to skewer other teams' offense first players and call them useless because they don't play D well enough, yet it's OK for our own guys (Kane, ADB, Schmaltz - don't even start with all the steals, I'm talking about playing proper positional D).

We are going to skewer Faulk for only being useful on offense and the PP, when we have been crying for years that all Keith can do is hit shin pads and the glass behind the net.

There is a reason that several people who run teams for a living are going after these guys (including Pacioretty, Stralman, etc).

Everyone is going to have their strengths and weaknesses. No matter how you look at it, we did not have a good year offensively. We were also woefully ineffective defensively. We need to add both types of players. You can argue over who fills these holes the best, but to say "Skinner won't help", or "Faulk is useless" is an extreme over exaggeration.

Bowman will trade Schmaltz straight up for Panerin if he gets an extension commitment ahead of time???????🤔
- wonthecup10

Then sign Schmaltz in a couple of years 😉

Don Waddell doesn't make decisions.

Neither does Rick Dudley.

Waddell is just there to be the guy who makes the actual phone calls. Strategy is determined by Eric Tulsky. Player evaluation is done as a collective.
- BINGO!

Sounds like a very cohesive executive branch.

He serves a purpose. Has some skill. Creates room. Plays on edge. Those guys sometimes are more valuable then stats lead on come playoff time. IMO.
- SteveRain

Just because he serves a purpose, doesnt equate to good

Enrico Ciccone served s purpuse... didnt mean he was ever good