Schmaltz has more than a ppg potential and that isn't hyperbole - once he gets comfortable with the physicality of the NHL he's going to dominate.... I've always been satisfied with the Jason Spezza comparisons, I think he will be as good if not better than Spezza..
- Savard2Secord

It's ridiculous hyperbole.

Absolutely ridiculous.

I may be mistaken, but pretty sure there are still many deals under the old CBA that could be subject to recapture.

Zetterberg, Weber, Keith, Crosby, Carter, Franzen, Kronwall, Suter, Parise...
- breadbag

I think it’s something about the old way they front loaded deals. Thought hossa and loungo were last ones of those.

To yours and others point I’m sure there are others but maybe not to that extent (heavily front loaded)

The rumor DID NOT include Faulk that I read. It was Schmaltz +1 for Skinner.

That would make a lot more sense.
- kwolf68

See I was seeing it was Saad or Schmaltz and the 2019 1st for Skinner and Faulk. But if it is just Schmaltz and the 1st for Skinner I agree that's a bit much.

Not so sure about top 9, realistically bottom 6. His hands are average and his skating is below average. His game is only north/south which is OK. Let him pound some top opposing D men while pursuing the puck after a chip/dump. So due to these qualities his play making decision and ability is suspect early in his career. His role in college was a high slot finisher
- D2D

So now teams can dress 15 forwards a night???

I'm not sure anything in Hayden's past playing numbers suggest he'll reach 40 points in the NHL but I don't see why he couldn't be a Tom Wilson-lite who puts up 25-35 points while providing some size to a lineup. Not as good a skater as Wilson but smarter imo. Prorated he had 23 points this season.
- L_B_R

Lucky you put in there that Wilson is a better skater for which I will add that Wilson can make plays with little outlet passes and little triangle passes in the O zone that I do not believe Hayden can do especially this early in his career. While Hayden has promise Wilson is much better at the same stage.

Jay Zawaski is reporting a source has said the Blackhawks have talked about Hurricanes forward Jeff Skinner, but that the same source hadn’t heard anything about Max Pacioretty. Meanwhile, David Pagnotta from The Fourth Period tweeted he was told the Blackhawks have, in fact, been in talks with Montreal. Others have noted the Blackhawks have interest in Justin Faulk which with a rumored return of a first-round pick and Nick Schmaltz going the other way. James O’Brien of NBC Sports has even suggested the Blackhawks might consider trying to re-acquire Artemi Panarin.

This is garbage. The implication is Schmaltz +1 for Faulk (as lame brain as for Skinner alone)...

However, if it's a 2 for 2 then that's more interesting.

I still don't want to do it...I am just not a huge fan of either Faulk or Skinner. They are solid, but I sure don't want to move Nick or Saad for them. I'd put the 1 in there for sure, but find someone else to trade. LOL

Not really the point. The point is YOU DO NOT trade Nick Schmaltz for him. Period. Younger, more upside, plays center, better defensive forward. And to make things even more hilarious the "rumor" was Hawks would be adding to the pot....Laughable.
- kwolf68

His argument is not very good so relax young Hawks fan.... Bowman knows this... I was like "WTF" too ...... They're rumors not trades...

Schmaltz & DeBrincat are going nowhere and they will be Blackhawks for a very long time...

His argument is not very good so relax young Hawks fan.... Bowman knows this... I was like "WTF" too ...... They're rumors not trades...

Schmaltz & DeBrincat are going nowhere and they will be Blackhawks for a very long time...
- Savard2Secord

I am not sure...I just know DeBrincat probably has a better argument....
maybe this all about locking Schmaltz up soon...
but...

that 6.5 mil is too rich until I see him score more consistently...

6.5 mil + 6.5 mil

you are linking them like Kane and Toews, eh?

LOL
- wiz1901

Haha. Yeah I figured if schmaltz was projected at 6.5 then debrincat would be similar assuming they do long term and not a bridge. As we all Know Stan loves him some cost certainty (which is free with)

And to your point if they do acquire a guy and give up a decent haul have to figure they would extend him ASAP like AA.

Believe that’s why panarin. Was dealt and saad came back. 6 Aav for linger years saad vs 2 years for panarin. Now you figure panarin will sniff at least 8 million. Maybe more if he lights it up again.

This is garbage. The implication is Schmaltz +1 for Faulk (as lame brain as for Skinner alone)...

However, if it's a 2 for 2 then that's more interesting.

I still don't want to do it...I am just not a huge fan of either Faulk or Skinner. They are solid, but I sure don't want to move Nick or Saad for them. I'd put the 1 in there for sure, but find someone else to trade. LOL
- kwolf68

I wouldn't like Faulk all that much either if I were you. He's got a bullet of a shot but is an absolute disaster in his own end.

Skinner on the other hand is a top 25 goal scorer in this league. the problem is that he's a little old for the core that we have coming up and will probably be looking for more money than he's actually worth on his next contract.

Probably very little chance that Matthews will be RFA to receive an offer sheet. I'd expect him to be resigned before teams get the chance to potentially "steal" him.
- breadbag

If he goes anywhere, it would be back home in AZ, where he would get a key to the entire state.

It's ridiculous hyperbole.

Absolutely ridiculous.
- BINGO!

Do you even know what hyperbole is or were you just introduced to this word?

I agree, Schmaltz and a first round pick for Skinner and Faulk? lol

That is just so ridiculous - Schmaltz at 20 is already better than Skinner at any age.... Don't get me wrong at the draft I would have given up 27th overall and a prospect for Faulk... That would have been fair IMO..

If the Hawks were going to give up all of that, why not just sign 22-year-old William Nylander?? neither deal makes any sense at all but I would take Nylander over Skinner any day..

Patches for Anisimov, 2nd & prospect like Fortin makes the most sense... Patches is on an expiring contract - the Hawks will have $25,000,000 in cap space next summer which is more than enough to get Schmaltz & DeBrincat market value bridge deals and sign Panarin until he's 35...
- Savard2Secord

Can you please explain to me how panarin returns with raises to 8/12.

Panarin will be at least an 8 million cap hit. Maybe more. You gots lot of salary there with 2/7/19/20/50/88 before 2/8 and then a 72 return.

I’ll never say never but that’s a tall task.

I wouldn't like Faulk all that much either if I were you. He's got a bullet of a shot but is an absolute disaster in his own end.

Skinner on the other hand is a top 25 goal scorer in this league. the problem is that he's a little old for the core that we have coming up and will probably be looking for more money than he's actually worth on his next contract.
- BINGO!

That's my take on Faulk....would improve the powerplay, but atrocious in his own end. We got enough guys who stink blue line in. And I wonder would the Hawks wretched powerplay eliminate or reduce the things Faulk does do well?

Skinner would be a "nice to have" for sure, but removing a top 6 center/wing for a top 6 wing does nothing for the Hawks. Unless the Hawks could get it done with a pick/prospects I don't see how swtiching out one top 6 guy for another helps...and we also trade from a position (C) where we really don't have top 6 talent to spare.

Can you please explain to me how panarin returns with raises to 8/12.

Panarin will be at least an 8 million cap hit. Maybe more. You gots lot of salary there with 2/7/19/20/50/88 before 2/8 and then a 72 return.

I’ll never say never but that’s a tall task.
- SteveRain

www.capfriendly.com is awesomeness..

I have no problem fitting Panarin in, then after Crawford expires giving out long-term contracts to both our young stars and then on and on...

Say you have the option to obtain Patches, Skinner or Stralman. Who do you take with all of the trades having the same trade bait going back?
- z1990z

Without question, Stralman as a top 4 d man is most needed and like I have stated previously he and Keith would make a dynamite pair as Stralman is use to playing with a top O-style D man in Hedman and McDonough. They can log many productive minutes while also saving Keith legs and attitude (babysitting last year)

Do you even know what hyperbole is or were you just introduced to this word?


- Savard2Secord

I don't think Sebastian Aho has point-per-game potential and he's a year and a half younger than Schmaltz, with almost twice as many goals in only 21 more games.

Schmaltz is a nice player, but you guys are getting into TT Hype territory again here.

To Aussiepenguin: NHL did not have a cap recapture penalty when big Hoss signed July, 2009. That "penalty" was p/o the 2013 CBA in that lockout-shortened season. Commish got his ear bent by the small mkt teams in that CBA. Just like he will next time when the '15 Kane LTIR situation is addressed. IMO, for the next CBA, teams shall be required to enter the PO and play the entire PO under the cap. The '15 squad the 'Hawks iced in the PO was "over" the RS cap.

I get your sentiment though. It looks like circumventing the cap. Rules --- now --- do not prohibit that move. Just like large contract front-loads pre-2013. However, look how lucky your 'guins were in being able to let MAF go at just about the perfect time in the expansion draft. I for one did not begrudge them, looked like a great cap move. No rules were in place to disallow teams to unprotect high AAV players.

I don't think Sebastian Aho has point-per-game potential and he's a year and a half younger than Schmaltz, with almost twice as many goals in only 21 more games.

Schmaltz is a nice player, but you guys are getting into TT Hype territory again here.
- BINGO!

Schmaltz is nothing like TT and no the Hawks aren't in "cap hell" so the're not even CLOSE to the same position as they were a few years back with Bickell.....

Schmaltz is nothing like TT and no the Hawks aren't in "cap hell" so the're not even CLOSE to the same position as they were a few years back with Bickell.....
- Savard2Secord

No, you're right... Teravainen threw more hits. Seriously. 36 hits in 115 games with the Hawks. Schmaltz has 33 in 139.

I'm talking about the level of hype around him. He's a good young player, but cut it out with the Spezza junk. That's not realistic in the slightest and all it's going to do is make a bunch of mouth breathers upset when he doesn't reach those levels.

D. Sikura, come on down!!

In all seriousness, He may be able to have as good or higher point totals that Hino. My concern with him is that he may get knocked off the puck (this is based only on the few games I saw of him in a Hawks sweater). He has really good moves and vision, so I think he can carve out a good role on the team. The key will be how he plays D.
- Chunk

It is my contention that Vinnie was going to get traded all along due to Sikura's progress and also that the Hawks got Vinnie re-signed early in the summer (to get traded). While Vinnie and Sikura are both similarly small in stature their games are quite different. Vinnie 's game is fast, faster, and fastest, like the Energizer Bunny with a little more bite and grit. Whereas Sikura has more play-making ability as you could tell by his correct reads and decision-making; he can see a play developing better whereas Vinnie will try to make and/or force that same play. For example, when entering the O zone with speed and possession Vinnie would take on the D whereas Sikura would buy time, via Gretsky-curl and wait for trailers.

To Aussiepenguin: NHL did not have a cap recapture penalty when big Hoss signed July, 2009. That "penalty" was p/o the 2013 CBA in that lockout-shortened season. Commish got his ear bent by the small mkt teams in that CBA. Just like he will next time when the '15 Kane LTIR situation is addressed. IMO, for the next CBA, teams shall be required to enter the PO and play the entire PO under the cap. The '15 squad the 'Hawks iced in the PO was "over" the RS cap.

I get your sentiment though. It looks like circumventing the cap. Rules --- now --- do not prohibit that move. Just like large contract front-loads pre-2013. However, look how lucky your 'guins were in being able to let MAF go at just about the perfect time in the expansion draft. I for one did not begrudge them, looked like a great cap move. No rules were in place to disallow teams to unprotect high AAV players.
- blackhawk24

Funny how that worked out - no one cared if Kovalchuck retired but the Hawks should be on the hook?

Those long-term deals should have been granfathered into the 2013 CBA......

That's my take on Faulk....would improve the powerplay, but atrocious in his own end. We got enough guys who stink blue line in. And I wonder would the Hawks wretched powerplay eliminate or reduce the things Faulk does do well?

Skinner would be a "nice to have" for sure, but removing a top 6 center/wing for a top 6 wing does nothing for the Hawks. Unless the Hawks could get it done with a pick/prospects I don't see how swtiching out one top 6 guy for another helps...and we also trade from a position (C) where we really don't have top 6 talent to spare.
- kwolf68

Faulk is a younger version of Mike Green who nobody but Detroit had any interest in as a UFA 2 weeks ago because he is purely an offensive defenceman.

And there are 30 GM's out there who now see Carolina has 5 Dmen making between $4M and $5.75M plus TVR @ $2.3M. That's way too much salary tied up on the back end of a team that can't score and has 2 sh$tty goaltenders.

Worse still Don Wadddell has never GM'd a good NHL team. They better hope Rick Dudley saves him and the owner from their own ineptness.

www.capfriendly.com is awesomeness..

I have no problem fitting Panarin in, then after Crawford expires giving out long-term contracts to both our young stars and then on and on...
- Savard2Secord

Well aware of capfriendly. Was said to see capgeek go.

So you’re assuming Columbus is going to trade panarin (because they will if he won’t sign lt) said team who gets him and gives up a boat load won’t be able to sign him and then he comes to hawks and doesn’t sign elsewhere for higher money?

That’s a lot of variables. I appreciate panarin but that seems far fetched to me. We shall see. If it happens give you full kudos.

Funny how that worked out - no one cared if Kovalchuck retired but the Hawks should be on the hook?

Those long-term deals should have been granfathered into the 2013 CBA......
- Savard2Secord

They did care. Kovalchuk had to stay away until his old contract expired or nj had to reinstate him and get fair return which they wouldn’t. Thus he’s been in Russia for a bit now.