Yeah, because if Schmaltz doesn't have better point totals I am not sure the arbitrator rules in Nick's favor...but...

do you want to go to the arbitration process ?

sure to save $, but u also want thinks amicable...
- wiz1901

I'm just saying you can't pay him 6.5, that being said, if he has a year that justify's that number, than I'm down with it, but I just don't see it happening.

If someone offer sheets him 6.5, I'll take the picks.

You're living in a dream world.
- GPHawksfan

I'm being real.... I said the same stuff about Saad and I got the same responses...

You underestimate Bowman, or you're not using logic..

I would bet both my balls that Panarin will be back with the Hawks within a year..... If Panarin was like 30, I would agree but he will be 27 next summer - a 7-year deal put's him at 35....

So Bowman took away Kane's toy to get Toews toy back, but now the Hawks are in a position to get Kane's toy back now or next season and Bowman is going to pass?


Yea, I can understand my ideas are too much for you to absorb, however I've been a Hawks fan for 35 years - I know how this franchise works, especially Bowman - Panarin will be back July, 1st 2019 at the very latest...

If they were desperately trying to get rid of them, do you think they'd be demanding those other two guys in return?

Sounds like trying to make a hockey deal, not just selling for the sake of it.
- BINGO!

No they are wasting everyone's time. It's a farce to be asking for Schmaltz and a first rounder for Skinner. Schmatlz is already a better player than Skinner thus I wouldn't give Schmaltz for that guy straight up and I trust neither will Bowman. If Carolina really asked for that for Skinner then they can go pound sand.

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- Cape Breton Bruins

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No they are wasting everyone's time. It's a farce to be asking for Schmaltz and a first rounder for Skinner. Schmatlz is already a better player than Skinner thus I wouldn't give Schmaltz for that guy straight up and I trust neither will Bowman. If Carolina really asked for that for Skinner then they can go pound sand.
- kwolf68

You realize that Jeff Skinner is coming off of one of his worst seasons and he still would have been 3rd on the Hawks in goals, right?

Like, you know he scored 37 goals in 2016-2017? That he's hit 30+ 3 times before the age of 26?

He's not a superstar, but he averages 29 goals per season on some incredibly poopty teams.

I'm being real.... I said the same stuff about Saad and I got the same responses...

You underestimate Bowman, or you're not using logic..

I would bet both my balls that Panarin will be back with the Hawks within a year..... If Panarin was like 30, I would agree but he will be 27 next summer - a 7-year deal put's him at 35....

So Bowman took away Kane's toy to get Toews toy back, but now the Hawks are in a position to get Kane's toy back now or next season and Bowman is going to pass?


Yea, I can understand my ideas are too much for you to absorb, however I've been a Hawks fan for 35 years - I know how this franchise works, especially Bowman - Panarin will be back July, 1st 2019 at the very latest...
- Savard2Secord

I'll bet you both your bass that he isn't lol.

No they are wasting everyone's time. It's a farce to be asking for Schmaltz and a first rounder for Skinner. Schmatlz is already a better player than Skinner thus I wouldn't give Schmaltz for that guy straight up and I trust neither will Bowman. If Carolina really asked for that for Skinner then they can go pound sand.
- kwolf68

Also, careful, because right now you're sounding an awful lot like those Calgary fans who insisted to me that Dougie Hamilton was worth Lindholm, Hanifin and a 1st all on his own.

He didn't "quit" he is (medically determined) unable to play anymore. Same with most of the others (Pronger. Bolland, Clarkson etc). If he retires he doesn't get paid (remember guaranteed contract, which I hate but I digress) so he goes on IR each year.
- tyweb69

That is why I put quotes around quit. He was told he was not allowed to play or decided it was to irritating to wear the gear?

No they are wasting everyone's time. It's a farce to be asking for Schmaltz and a first rounder for Skinner. Schmatlz is already a better player than Skinner thus I wouldn't give Schmaltz for that guy straight up and I trust neither will Bowman. If Carolina really asked for that for Skinner then they can go pound sand.
- kwolf68

I agree, Schmaltz and a first round pick for Skinner and Faulk? lol

That is just so ridiculous - Schmaltz at 20 is already better than Skinner at any age.... Don't get me wrong at the draft I would have given up 27th overall and a prospect for Faulk... That would have been fair IMO..

If the Hawks were going to give up all of that, why not just sign 22-year-old William Nylander?? neither deal makes any sense at all but I would take Nylander over Skinner any day..

Patches for Anisimov, 2nd & prospect like Fortin makes the most sense... Patches is on an expiring contract - the Hawks will have $25,000,000 in cap space next summer which is more than enough to get Schmaltz & DeBrincat market value bridge deals and sign Panarin until he's 35...

You realize that Jeff Skinner is coming off of one of his worst seasons and he still would have been 3rd on the Hawks in goals, right?

Like, you know he scored 37 goals in 2016-2017? That he's hit 30+ 3 times before the age of 26?

He's not a superstar, but he averages 29 goals per season on some incredibly poopty teams.
- BINGO!

Schmaltz plays multiple positions, wing or center, outstanding at defense, has great vision and in his 2nd year on a horrible Hawks team scored 52 points in 78 games. His trajectory is very obvious. Funny that Skinner would have been 2nd in goals, but he'd have still been behind Schmaltz in points. How the (frank) does this dumbass trade help the Hawks?

Skinner is a 50 -55 point player, something Schmaltz already can do and Nick is younger, and a better 200 foot player and also doesn't have any questions with any concussions. While Skinner is still young, he still has many more miles than Schmaltz and would be a DOWNgrade, period.

Only way this trade happens is if Carolina, and NOT Chicago, adds more to the package.

That is why I put quotes around quit. He was told he was not allowed to play or decided it was to irritating to wear the gear?
- Doogs

As I understood it at the time, his doctor told him continuing to take the steroids that helped him tolerate the gear would kill him. So, guess you could say his doc strongly suggested he stop playing.

I agree, Schmaltz and a first round pick for Skinner and Faulk? lol

That is just so ridiculous - Schmaltz at 20 is already better than Skinner at any age.... Don't get me wrong at the draft I would have given up 27th overall and a prospect for Faulk... That would have been fair IMO..

If the Hawks were going to give up all of that, why not just sign 22-year-old William Nylander?? neither deal makes any sense at all but I would take Nylander over Skinner any day..

Patches for Anisimov, 2nd & prospect like Fortin makes the most sense... Patches is on an expiring contract - the Hawks will have $25,000,000 in cap space next summer which is more than enough to get Schmaltz & DeBrincat market value bridge deals and sign Panarin until he's 35...
- Savard2Secord

Because at the amount of money you'd need to get him to sign with you, You'd need to give up your 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks next year.

...which you don't have.

Also, careful, because right now you're sounding an awful lot like those Calgary fans who insisted to me that Dougie Hamilton was worth Lindholm, Hanifin and a 1st all on his own.
- BINGO!

Bad comparison. I believe Schmaltz + a 1 for Skinner is absurd. How the hell can you not agree?

A 1 for 1 trade is even stupid from the Hawks perspective, because it's not an upgrade. Why would the Hawks even entertain that? An older, more injury riddled player who is a defensive downgrade and doesn't play center? How does this make ANY sense to ANYONE ? Other than dreamy eyed Carolina fan who is hoping to bend Bowman over the barrel again

You realize that Jeff Skinner is coming off of one of his worst seasons and he still would have been 3rd on the Hawks in goals, right?

Like, you know he scored 37 goals in 2016-2017? That he's hit 30+ 3 times before the age of 26?

He's not a superstar, but he averages 29 goals per season on some incredibly poopty teams.
- BINGO!

Not saying Skinner's not a decent player, but watch Schmaltz a few times and tell me as a Hawk fan you'd trade a 22 yo ascending player and a first for him? I agree with KW, CAR mgmt can pound sand if that is actually what they're looking for.

Schmaltz plays multiple positions, wing or center, outstanding at defense, has great vision and in his 2nd year on a horrible Hawks team scored 52 points in 78 games. His trajectory is very obvious. Funny that Skinner would have been 2nd in goals, but he'd have still been behind Schmaltz in points. How the (frank) does this dumbass trade help the Hawks?

Skinner is a 50 -55 point player, something Schmaltz already can do and Nick is younger, and a better 200 foot player and also doesn't have any questions with any concussions. While Skinner is still young, he still has many more miles than Schmaltz and would be a DOWNgrade, period.

Only way this trade happens is if Carolina, and NOT Chicago, adds more to the package.
- kwolf68

Schmaltz has more than a ppg potential and that isn't hyperbole - once he gets comfortable with the physicality of the NHL he's going to dominate.... I've always been satisfied with the Jason Spezza comparisons, I think he will be as good if not better than Spezza..

Schmaltz plays multiple positions, wing or center, outstanding at defense, has great vision and in his 2nd year on a horrible Hawks team scored 52 points in 78 games. His trajectory is very obvious. Funny that Skinner would have been 2nd in goals, but he'd have still been behind Schmaltz in points. How the (frank) does this dumbass trade help the Hawks?

Skinner is a 50 -55 point player, something Schmaltz already can do and Nick is younger, and a better 200 foot player and also doesn't have any questions with any concussions. While Skinner is still young, he still has many more miles than Schmaltz and would be a DOWNgrade, period.

Only way this trade happens is if Carolina, and NOT Chicago, adds more to the package.
- kwolf68

You've got to remember that Skinner was playing on some crappy (no offense BINGO!) and consistently putting up 20-30(sometimes 30+) seasons, you have to think playing on Kane's opposite wing would turn him into atleast a 60-70 point player, in my opinion.

Not saying Skinner's not a decent player, but watch Schmaltz a few times and tell me as a Hawk fan you'd trade a 22 yo ascending player and a first for him? I agree with KW, CAR mgmt can pound sand if that is actually what they're looking for.
- HawkintheD

Skinner had a great rookie year, his best year ever, then spent the next two years battling injuries. Since then has been pretty healthy but has settled in as basically a 50 point guy, had a year over 60 points, then hovers around 50 or lower other years. He's maxed out. What you see is what you get. Schmaltz is already as/more productive and has further upside in the tank.

ONLY WAY Skinner comes here for Schmaltz is is CAROLINE adds to the pot, not the other way around.

Damn right. John Hayden damn well better be on the team. A huge winger who plays tough, gets to the dirty areas and has some skill. He should get a real look among the top 9 somewhere. Would like to keep him from just an all out checking role as he can provide more to the table, although he is a huge hitter...Hayden potentially will be among Top 10 in hits.
- kwolf68

Not so sure about top 9, realistically bottom 6. His hands are average and his skating is below average. His game is only north/south which is OK. Let him pound some top opposing D men while pursuing the puck after a chip/dump. So due to these qualities his play making decision and ability is suspect early in his career. His role in college was a high slot finisher

Bad comparison. I believe Schmaltz + a 1 for Skinner is absurd. How the hell can you not agree?

A 1 for 1 trade is even stupid from the Hawks perspective, because it's not an upgrade. Why would the Hawks even entertain that? An older, more injury riddled player who is a defensive downgrade and doesn't play center? How does this make ANY sense to ANYONE ? Other than dreamy eyed Carolina fan who is hoping to bend Bowman over the barrel again
- kwolf68

Totally agree for the reasons you mention above and you also have a guy who had 52 pts in his second season and is still finding his way.

He went from 6 to 20 goals from his first to second season and 25-30 isn't unreasonable this season if he's even a bit more stingy with the puck.

You've got to remember that Skinner was playing on some crappy (no offense BINGO!) and consistently putting up 20-30(sometimes 30+) seasons, you have to think playing on Kane's opposite wing would turn him into atleast a 60-70 point player, in my opinion.
- Hossa1881

Not really the point. The point is YOU DO NOT trade Nick Schmaltz for him. Period. Younger, more upside, plays center, better defensive forward. And to make things even more hilarious the "rumor" was Hawks would be adding to the pot....Laughable.

Totally agree for the reasons you mention above and you also have a guy who had 52 pts in his second season and is still finding his way.

He went from 6 to 20 goals from his first to second season and 25-30 isn't unreasonable this season if he's even a bit more stingy with the puck.
- HawkintheD

Schmaltz won't probably ever score a ton of goals, but 20 is pretty awesome considering how unselfish he is. You are right though, if he could be a bit more stingy, 30 is well within reach. Especially if he's playing with 88.

My dream is Schmaltz gets his faceoff game in the 47-48% range and he centers Kane. Look the heck out at that point. Last year, they were chasing a little too much, but they still drove a ton of possession.

Because at the amount of money you'd need to get him to sign with you, You'd need to give up your 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks next year.

...which you don't have.
- BINGO!

Exactly, it would be like a trade but I get a kid long-term like Nylander - instead of Faulk and Skinner... Yea rather wait, lol..

If it matters I know how RFA compensation works...

Schmaltz plays multiple positions, wing or center, outstanding at defense, has great vision and in his 2nd year on a horrible Hawks team scored 52 points in 78 games. His trajectory is very obvious. Funny that Skinner would have been 2nd in goals, but he'd have still been behind Schmaltz in points. How the (frank) does this dumbass trade help the Hawks?

Skinner is a 50 -55 point player, something Schmaltz already can do and Nick is younger, and a better 200 foot player and also doesn't have any questions with any concussions. While Skinner is still young, he still has many more miles than Schmaltz and would be a DOWNgrade, period.

Only way this trade happens is if Carolina, and NOT Chicago, adds more to the package.
- kwolf68

Dude, seriously?

You're getting a 26 year old 30 goal scorer and a RHD who you'd be buying low on, and you think the Canes need to be ponying up more? They're not even asking you for two players!

Nick Schmaltz is a nice piece. He was productive for you last season, and that's great, but he's never produced goals at ANY level the way Skinner produces them at the NHL level.

Did you know that Schmaltz had more ice time last season than Skinner did yet had less than HALF the number of shot attempts of Skinner? He also threw fewer hits, and had more points on the Powerplay than Skinner did. And that's with nearly identical offensive and defensive zone splits.

Oh, and one has a career shooting percentage of just shy of 11%, while the other, a TWENTY TWO YEAR OLD, shot almost 18% last year.

So I dunno, maybe the guy who routinely scores 25+ goals and has done that now for 8 years might be a little more valuable and reliable than the guy with 27 career NHL goals who shot 18 (frank)ing percent last season.

You can't do that. He's restricted isn't he?

If so, let him sign an offer sheet for that.
- vabeachbear

I think if it’s they go past a short term bridge deal. When I saw 6.5 I almost fell over so I’ll probably need to reread the article. Seems high.

Dude, seriously?

You're getting a 26 year old 30 goal scorer and a RHD who you'd be buying low on, and you think the Canes need to be ponying up more? They're not even asking you for two players!

Nick Schmaltz is a nice piece. He was productive for you last season, and that's great, but he's never produced goals at ANY level the way Skinner produces them at the NHL level.

Did you know that Schmaltz had more ice time last season than Skinner did yet had less than HALF the number of shot attempts of Skinner? He also threw fewer hits, and had more points on the Powerplay than Skinner did. And that's with nearly identical offensive and defensive zone splits.

Oh, and one has a career shooting percentage of just shy of 11%, while the other, a TWENTY TWO YEAR OLD, shot almost 18% last year.

So I dunno, maybe the guy who routinely scores 25+ goals and has done that now for 8 years might be a little more valuable and reliable than the guy with 27 career NHL goals who shot 18 (frank)ing percent last season.
- BINGO!

The rumor DID NOT include Faulk that I read. It was Schmaltz +1 for Skinner.

That would make a lot more sense.