Source?

From what I read he liked his situation in Detroit and that's where he wanted to stay.
- MattStrat

No other teams made a good enough offer for him to leave. He rejected DETs initial offer and after speaking with teams during the talking period he too DETs new offer.

Lol wut? Thanks for sourcing the info but I’ve gotta think that anyone thinking that any of our defenders are superseding Letang as our #1 are crazy. He’s easily a top 30 defender in this league which makes him a #1 and a lot of people will argue that he’s top 10 when he’s on his game.
Dumo/JJ doesn’t even make any damn sense. So that means Oleksiak moves to his off side and Schultz becomes a 3rd pairing D man one season removed from getting a Norris vote? Lol. Any pair with Letang on it should be good for 23 minutes a night, Schultz-Maatta should be ok to play 20-21, and that leaves JJ-Rig at 16-17. I don’t think that makes Pens fans crazy confident about that
- WSCTeton17

Yeah... That Tiops report is BS. Letang will remain the #1 and will get the most minutes. I think Rutherford has stated he wants to limit Letang's minutes this season.....which is the reason behind strengthening the D. Obviously the sore spot is whether JJ actually strengthens the D.

I do believe however the pairings are completely up in the air.

Green would have been a mistake for the Pens. I think he would be slotting in under Schultz and people forget how bad he gets in tight checking, playoff games. Everyone here would lost their mind seeing him bail in the defensive zone left and right to avoid hits.

Really talented, but he is just looking to chill into the sunset. In the twilight of his career signing for a team that likely won't make the playoffs shows me comfort is more important than competing for a Cup at this point. Nothing wrong with that.
- MacPatty

You do realize the better defenseman take less hits per 60 right?

I would like him better if he would have just jumped Wilson. If your going to be a tough guy you have to show up every night. Letting that piece of poop laugh at your team after breaking s teammates face is bad value.

Lol wut? Thanks for sourcing the info but I’ve gotta think that anyone thinking that any of our defenders are superseding Letang as our #1 are crazy. He’s easily a top 30 defender in this league which makes him a #1 and a lot of people will argue that he’s top 10 when he’s on his game.
Dumo/JJ doesn’t even make any damn sense. So that means Oleksiak moves to his off side and Schultz becomes a 3rd pairing D man one season removed from getting a Norris vote? Lol. Any pair with Letang on it should be good for 23 minutes a night, Schultz-Maatta should be ok to play 20-21, and that leaves JJ-Rig at 16-17. I don’t think that makes Pens fans crazy confident about that
- WSCTeton17

I mean look, Schultz on a 3rd pair would be an amazing thing if it was because of quality in the lineup, but it's not. JJ on the right side doesn't make sense.

What TIOPS is stating is far from set in stone. They're simply talking about ideas from management; things they want to try.

Look, I think only a few people here have their heads in the sand about JJ. Most of us are simply hoping he winds up holding is own in a 3rd pairing role. While I don't always agree with Sullivan's choices, he's not one to stick with something that just isn't working. I mean, we've seen Hornqvist play the 4th line at times under his tenure.

I think they want to give a lot of different looks to see what sticks. Reality will set in quite fast and that's that. But hey, if by some miracle JJ thrives next to Dumo in a 1st pairing role the Pens go from having one of the more questionable d-cores in the league to one of the best. Again though, reality will set in.

You do realize the better defenseman take less hits per 60 right?
- Feds91Stammer

No no. The best players are the ones that hit hit hit. That's the only true way to see they're playing well.

Yeah... That Tiops report is BS. Letang will remain the #1 and will get the most minutes. I think Rutherford has stated he wants to limit Letang's minutes this season.....which is the reason behind strengthening the D. Obviously the sore spot is whether JJ actually strengthens the D.

I do believe however the pairings are completely up in the air.
- madmike71

Yeah I’m just bracing for the reality that JJ and Oleksiak will be unplayable together which will throw a massive wrench in the pairings.

What TIOPS is stating is far from set in stone. They're simply talking about ideas from management; things they want to try.
- Rinosaur

TIOPS has no access to management. They make stuff up and then sit back and laugh as the rubes eat it up.

Yeah I’m just bracing for the reality that JJ and Oleksiak will be unplayable together which will throw a massive wrench in the pairings.
- Victoro311

My only realistic hope is that if they believe JJ can play the right side ,that they'll see how he plays on the right side next to Oleksiak so he can play where he plays best.

This JJ signing is Scuderi 2.0.

If Johnson was brought in to be a #1 then Rutherford needs to be fired imidiately. Good thing it’s TIOPS which is a bigger crock of poop than Ek’s ramblings.
- Victoro311

This.

TIOPS has no access to management. They make stuff up and then sit back and laugh as the rubes eat it up.
- hardnosed

They get a lot of poop, as most non mainstream media outlets should when reporting on this type of stuff, but they've been pretty spot-on before. I always take what they write with a tiny grain of salt, but they've been right before.

No other teams made a good enough offer for him to leave. He rejected DETs initial offer and after speaking with teams during the talking period he too DETs new offer.
- Feds91Stammer

The point I'm making is we have no idea if the Pens offered him 5 or anything at all. He could love his home and situation in Detroit and turned down living in Pittsburgh for the same price, or maybe even a bit more, for all we know.

So there is absolutely nothing to base your original statement on, that the Pens could of had Green instead of JJ and Oleksiak for the same price, other than the numbers match.

So there is absolutely nothing to base your original statement on, that the Pens could of had Green instead of JJ and Oleksiak for the same price, other than the numbers match.
- MattStrat

I’m pretty sure that’s all he was trying to state.

No no. The best players are the ones that hit hit hit. That's the only true way to see they're playing well.
- Rinosaur

oh damn i keep forgetting that. my bad.

They get a lot of poop, as most non mainstream media outlets should when reporting on this type of stuff, but they've been pretty spot-on before. I always take what they write with a tiny grain of salt, but they've been right before.
- Rinosaur

Remember that one time that Ek had the “scoop” on the Johansson-Jones trade? Sometimes when you sling enough poop at the wall, the likely stuff sticks

You do realize the better defenseman take less hits per 60 right?
- Feds91Stammer

The better defencemen do it without turning over the puck. He is a turnover machine when pressured in the D zone. He has offensive skill but is a liability on defence and gets injured every year, its well established at this point in his career. [/img]

I’m pretty sure that’s all he was trying to state.
- Rinosaur

He said "Could have had mike green for the same money as jj and oleksiak for less term."


Sorry but there's absolutely no way of knowing that statement is true.

This is the kinda sh!t Feds always hops on when someone else says it....so I cant let it go and must give him a hard time haha

He said "Could have had mike green for the same money as jj and oleksiak for less term."


Sorry but there's absolutely no way of knowing that statement is true.

This is the kinda sh!t Feds always hops on when someone else says it....so I cant let it go and must give him a hard time haha
- MattStrat

Dude, he just meant the financial equivalent

They get a lot of poop, as most non mainstream media outlets should when reporting on this type of stuff, but they've been pretty spot-on before. I always take what they write with a tiny grain of salt, but they've been right before.
- Rinosaur

When?!?

When?!?
- hardnosed

That one time with the guy and the thing.

Yeah I’m just bracing for the reality that JJ and Oleksiak will be unplayable together which will throw a massive wrench in the pairings.
- Victoro311

I don't think any pairing set in stone as we head into the season. I don't believe Rutherford signed JJ with the idea of strictly being a bottom pairing guy (whether the fans like it or not). If I had to guess, he sees a clear hierarchy of his RD and will allow Sullivan to determine the hierarchy of the LD. Even though Dumo is clearly the best of the bunch, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him paired with Schultz....which might make sense if they're going to cut Letangs minutes.

The better defencemen do it without turning over the puck. He is a turnover machine when pressured in the D zone. He has offensive skill but is a liability on defence and gets injured every year, its well established at this point in his career.
- MacPatty[/img]

Hmm lets see giveaways per 60 last season

Green:3.07
Karlsson: 2.93
Burns: 3.54
Ekblad: 3.21
Carlson: 3.17
Jack Johnson: 0.89

hmmm

The point I'm making is we have no idea if the Pens offered him 5 or anything at all. He could love his home and situation in Detroit and turned down living in Pittsburgh for the same price, or maybe even a bit more, for all we know.

So there is absolutely nothing to base your original statement on, that the Pens could of had Green instead of JJ and Oleksiak for the same price, other than the numbers match.
- MattStrat

Well considering there were 0 rumors of PIT talking to Green and they instead targeted an actually terrible D man I stand by my statement.

Hmm lets see giveaways per 60 last season

Green:3.07
Karlsson: 2.93
Burns: 3.54
Ekblad: 3.21
Carlson: 3.17
Jack Johnson: 0.89

hmmm
- Feds91Stammer

More offensively dynamic players take more chances and commit more giveaways/turnovers. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Sid and Geno with high numbers.

More offensively dynamic players take more chances and commit more giveaways/turnovers. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Sid and Geno with high numbers.
- Rinosaur

No. Clearly those numbers show that JJ is actually good and all the other guys are bad.