Is it possible for the Leafs to take on Brouwer's contract to pry out Andersson? This year obviously wouldnt bother the Leafs but even if they bury him eg. Brooks Laich they'll still be on the hook for 3.5 mil in 2019/20.

I don't have the numbers in front of me but after paying the big 4 I'm guessing Leafs are pinned for money and can't use that cap leverage.

I'm sure Calgary would love to get out from under Brouwer though and maybe get a Brown in the process. He would upgrade their wing depth for sure ahead of Lazar and Mangiapane. I don't know just spit balling here but the Leafs have a legit contender and now is the time to strike for not only improving but using good asset management.

I believe Dubas will be smarter than Lou though and won't just be handing out 2nds like candy.
- Mrbs71

no to brower. we'll need every bit of cap space next year.

I still can't believe we ____________
- BestRapperAlive

Signed jt.

I still can't believe we ____________
- BestRapperAlive

made the sens retain on phaneuf and that we didn't.

I still can't believe we ____________
- BestRapperAlive

don't understand taxes?

I still can't believe we ____________
- BestRapperAlive

traded David Clarkson?

all correct

I still can't believe we ____________
- BestRapperAlive

elected Trump

I also would've accepted:
-signed Babcock
-traded for a real goalie
-drafted Matthews
-lost in game 7 against boston after holding a 3rd period lead (twice)

I get where you're coming from, but I don't know if I'd change anything yet. I think they plan to see how the projected top-4 do, and I think they might be best to find out what Gardiner is seeking before they trade him! If he wants more than 5.5, you probably jettison him.

One of the greatest weapons the Leafs have is the depth on the wing. When you can roll out Kapanen and his speed on the 4th line, you get to emphasize your offense because all 4 lines become dangerous. I'd also hate to lose his speed on the PK.

I love Brown's work ethic and team first attitude. He deserves a broader role on the team, but it's a deep team. If someone were being traded because their potential and potential return exceeds their utilization, it would probably be Brown. But if Hyman were injured, Brown would be a great fill-in doing that role on any line.
- Monkeypunk

I'm with you on those young forwards. But I just don't think you can play the if someone gets hurt game we have this guy to move up. And the fourth line while more dangerous with them will by simple math not play more than 10 minutes. Not enough for those two in my opinion.

You have to try and get A34 and J91 close to 20 minutes a night, leaving 20 minutes shared between Kadri's line who will be checking the other teams top line for close to 20 as well....and the 4th line. Which leaves the scraps left.

Trade from a position of strength to shore up a position of weakness, not out of a need to dump these guys but ore because of the potential return.

I'm with you though I don't want to move anyone I love what all these guys bring, but it may be time to strike before brown puts up 8 points in 73 games in a 4th line role and is worth nothing in a trade.

I also would've accepted:
-signed Babcock
-traded for a real goalie
-drafted Matthews
-lost in game 7 against boston after holding a 3rd period lead (twice)
- BestRapperAlive

Also shanahan and Dubas.

Also shanahan and Dubas.
- bryant

i can't believe we also shanahan and dubas

I like it.

i can't believe we also shanahan and dubas

I like it.
- TheMussel

It has a nice flow to it, doesn’t it.

i can't believe we also shanahan and dubas

I like it.
- TheMussel

Hall of Famer running the show, hires Harry Potter to work for him

Hall of Famer running the show, hires Harry Potter to work for him
- BestRapperAlive

Nice to have a Harry Potter instead of someone like the Hairy Squatter they have running the show in Montreal.

Leafs don't need Karlsson - Leafs powerplay is already great.
Karlsson not being the defensively responsible d-man makes him a luxury to Leafs, not a necessity.
Same goes for Tampa Bay by the way - they won't pick him up (too much of a cost for them).
Karlsson will go to a team which has struggled on PP, and has a good defensive D-man to partner with him; e.g. Dallas, Chicago.
- plantheparade

The Leafs don't need Karlsson but Tampa Bay, with the current Norris winner and another #1 D in McDonagh are trying to get him. Riiiiight.

The Leafs definitely need Karlsson, a legit, top tier, top pairing RHD. Not only for the fact that they need Karlsson but they also need to make sure Karlsson doesn't go to Tampa Bay.

I mean if they're desperate, maybe, but they aren't. Like I said, the Sens value him as being the best defenseman in the league and will want that value back. Nylander, Gardiner and a 1st isn't enough.
- 13sundin13

They are. Ottawa is stuck in a really bad situation.

To me it would be like the Leafs trading Tavares, who is a franchise player, similar age, etc. for Ehlers, Myers and a low 1st. Seems like ok value but I doubt anyone would be happy with that and I doubt Dubas would ever do that. The Leafs would be targeting Laine +++ for a top 5 centre.

Not the same situation because Karlsson clearly wants out and is not staying in Ottawa.

The Bobby Ryan salary dump is not that big of a deal if you look at salary dumps in the past and won't really affect the Sens main value. Maybe knock off a prospect or low 1st round pick but nothing that would negatively influence the main components of a deal of this magnitude.

It's a big enough deal to their cheap owner who doesn't want to waste money.

Maybe this is why the deal is taking so long to complete, nobody wants to give up meaningful pieces. But hey, you never know, we'll see when we find out what they finally get for Karlsson.

It's taking so long because Ottawa is getting low ball offers but eventually they're going to be forced to make the move. As long as the Leafs outbid the Lightning and Stars, they can get Karlsson.

The Leafs don't need Karlsson but Tampa Bay, with the current Norris winner and another #1 D in McDonagh are trying to get him. Riiiiight.

The Leafs definitely need Karlsson, a legit, top tier, top pairing RHD. Not only for the fact that they need Karlsson but they also need to make sure Karlsson doesn't go to Tampa Bay.
- Unholy_Goalie

melnyk will want the leafs to overpay for trading in the division...nylander, 1st, liljegren, zaitsev

and to your next question, i don't think melnyk knows tb is in the same division too.

The Leafs don't need Karlsson but Tampa Bay, with the current Norris winner and another #1 D in McDonagh are trying to get him. Riiiiight.

The Leafs definitely need Karlsson, a legit, top tier, top pairing RHD. Not only for the fact that they need Karlsson but they also need to make sure Karlsson doesn't go to Tampa Bay.
- Unholy_Goalie

Leafs are already invincible without Karlsson.
5 Stanley Cups in next 5 seasons.
Now go to the Tampa or Bruins thread.

ciao ciao

melnyk will want the leafs to overpay for trading in the division...nylander, 1st, liljegren, zaitsev

and to your next question, i don't think melnyk knows tb is in the same division too.
- Tumbleweed

Still worth that price you put, as long as he's healthy and signs an extension.

If he'll trade to Tampa Bay, he'll trade to Toronto.

melnyk will want the leafs to overpay for trading in the division...nylander, 1st, liljegren, zaitsev

and to your next question, i don't think melnyk knows tb is in the same division too.
- Tumbleweed

Melnyk is a cheap bastard who cares nothing for his fans.

Trading within the division doesn't matter anymore from a practical perspective either because it's clear that Ottawa isn't contending for at least a decade.

Karlsson WILL be a Leaf, and it'll be a lopsided trade that the Sens will need to sell to their fans.

Kapanen, Liljegren, Brooks, Sparks, 2019 1st, 2019 2nd

Replace Kapanen with another young roster player if need be who isn't Nylander. Also Ottawa would likely want to reunite some useless plug with Greening at the coca-cola centre.

Still worth that price you put, as long as he's healthy and signs an extension.

If he'll trade to Tampa Bay, he'll trade to Toronto.
- Unholy_Goalie

I don't know.. I still don't think Melnyk knows that the Florida based teams are in the same division..

When pressed on the issue; Melnyk said: the division consists of Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and some other team, maybe.. Seattle?

Melnyk is a cheap bastard who cares nothing for his fans.

Trading within the division doesn't matter anymore from a practical perspective either because it's clear that Ottawa isn't contending for at least a decade.

Karlsson WILL be a Leaf, and it'll be a lopsided trade that the Sens will need to sell to their fans.

Kapanen, Liljegren, Brooks, Sparks, 2019 1st, 2019 2nd

Replace Kapanen with another young roster player if need be who isn't Nylander.
- TheMussel

That would be a wonderful price to pay for Karlsson but that'd be a complete disaster for them. They need at least one player going the other way that's a clear, legit player and that package doesn't even have one.

That would be a wonderful price to pay for Karlsson but that'd be a complete disaster for them. They need at least one player going the other way that's a clear, legit player and that package doesn't even have one.
- Unholy_Goalie

They needed to win the Zibanejad, (both) Phaneuf, Duchene and Hoffman trades, and the Methot situation too but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That would be a wonderful price to pay for Karlsson but that'd be a complete disaster for them. They need at least one player going the other way that's a clear, legit player and that package doesn't even have one.
- Unholy_Goalie

Gardiner, Sandin, Kapanen, Sparks, 2019 1st and 2020 2nd rd pick.. Is probably something that Dorion/Melnyk would like.

They needed to win the Zibanejad, Phaneuf, Duchene and Hoffman trades, and the Methot situation too but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- TheMussel

I agree, they suck. But this is Karlsson. Captain, franchise player, two time Norris winner; they need at least one legit guy coming back the other way. Paying Nylander is a fair price for both sides and it's probably more than Tampa Bay or Dallas can offer. And the Leafs still come out ahead.