Actually I have consistently refuted you and your ridiculous overuse of analytics more times than I could count. The 20% number is an approximation and is based on numerous statement by GM's of how much analytics factor into their decision making process. That's the proprietary analytics that NHL teams have that are infinitely better than what the public has access to. What the public has access to is archaic.

I know this reality crushes your world and the idea that you had that you were going to elevate yourself up to expert blogger with the new science of analytics but that has been an epic failure.
- MJL

Can you site some recent examples? Tanner has been critical of Tocchet which is hard to gauge other than his roster moves and systems. He makes a lot of bold statements about players (sometimes they’re off the mark, certainly) - but do you have specific examples of when he said a player was analytically good when the player was in fact bad or vice versus? I’m not asking for quotes, just examples.
I’m an analytical guy myself but I’m also a cerebral hockey player. I really don’t like the JJ signing in Pitt. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Guentzel put up 70 points and get 6.5M AAV moving forward. Sprong likely breaks out as well which will force Pitt to move on from Hornqvist or (more likely) Kessel within the next two years (our goalies will be up at that point as well).
I don’t recall many Penguins fans at all calling for Sprong to be sent back to the AHL last season. He had a 64CF% and he knew it. He passed the eye test as well as the analytics test but it still wasn’t enough for Rutherford
Injuries derailed the 2018 season in the desert. I don’t think it will be a surprise to any Chayka fans if the team (including Galchenyuk) has a season that “exceeds expectations.” NBCSN writer Adam Gretz believes playoff contention is possible, and many of us agree

You get so upset when someone throws your rhetoric back at you. You make statements like scouts and NHL teams fall victim to a magic formula as if you're an authority who knows better than they do! None of your words have been twisted.

I simply stated if the method of using analytics is so superior than why are you wrong about players so often? That is a valid question. I know you don't want to look within and instead hide behind more rhetoric.

Yes, if using the stats that you worship was such a superior method and as you state the evidence of that is overwhelming, that's exactly what would happen. They'd fire the scouts and just use stats.
- MJL

I am not mad at all. I'm only pointing out how preposterous you are.

Can you site some recent examples? Tanner has been critical of Tocchet which is hard to gauge other than his roster moves and systems. He makes a lot of bold statements about players (sometimes they’re off the mark, certainly) - but do you have specific examples of when he said a player was analytically good when the player was in fact bad or vice versus? I’m not asking for quotes, just examples.
I’m an analytical guy myself but I’m also a cerebral hockey player. I really don’t like the JJ signing in Pitt. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Guentzel put up 70 points and get 6.5M AAV moving forward. Sprong likely breaks out as well which will force Pitt to move on from Hornqvist or (more likely) Kessel within the next two years (our goalies will be up at that point as well).
I don’t recall many Penguins fans at all calling for Sprong to be sent back to the AHL last season. He had a 64CF% and he knew it. He passed the eye test as well as the analytics test but it still wasn’t enough for Rutherford
Injuries derailed the 2018 season in the desert. I don’t think it will be a surprise to any Chayka fans if the team (including Galchenyuk) has a season that “exceeds expectations.” NBCSN writer Adam Gretz believes playoff contention is possible, and many of us agree
- WSCTeton17

Gormley
Rundbald
Arcobello

This happens with forwards too - for years guys like Lee Stepniak, Brad Boyes, Derek Winnik were said to 'suck' while the stats said they were among the most effective bottom six guys in the NHL.
- james_tanner1

Listen, I'll let the mis-spelling of Lee Stempniak slide, because maybe you just missed the "m".... but who the hell is Derek Winnik?

Can you site some recent examples? Tanner has been critical of Tocchet which is hard to gauge other than his roster moves and systems. He makes a lot of bold statements about players (sometimes they’re off the mark, certainly) - but do you have specific examples of when he said a player was analytically good when the player was in fact bad or vice versus? I’m not asking for quotes, just examples.
I’m an analytical guy myself but I’m also a cerebral hockey player. I really don’t like the JJ signing in Pitt. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Guentzel put up 70 points and get 6.5M AAV moving forward. Sprong likely breaks out as well which will force Pitt to move on from Hornqvist or (more likely) Kessel within the next two years (our goalies will be up at that point as well).
I don’t recall many Penguins fans at all calling for Sprong to be sent back to the AHL last season. He had a 64CF% and he knew it. He passed the eye test as well as the analytics test but it still wasn’t enough for Rutherford
Injuries derailed the 2018 season in the desert. I don’t think it will be a surprise to any Chayka fans if the team (including Galchenyuk) has a season that “exceeds expectations.” NBCSN writer Adam Gretz believes playoff contention is possible, and many of us agree
- WSCTeton17

Sure, we can start with Gardiner in Toronto is an elite NHL defenseman, then we can move on to how good Gormley, Franson, and Runblad are. On and on and on. Any regular participant in this thread does not need examples given. They are numerous.

I am not mad at all. I'm only pointing out how preposterous you are.
- james_tanner1

You failed!

Gormley
Rundbald
Arcobello
- rinaldo

Lol. Ok well those were all high potential prospects. Everyone who has them “hopes” they pan out. I guess my next question would be did he guarantee that they would pan out? Heck idk
Regarding recent discussion, I wouldn’t give up Keller+ for Panarin without an extension but who knows - maybe it’d work out

Sure, we can start with Gardiner in Toronto is an elite NHL defenseman, then we can move on to how good Gormley, Franson, and Runblad are. On and on and on. Any regular participant in this thread does not need examples given. They are numerous.
- MJL

Well.. Franson was effective in an extremely sheltered role in Chicago. I would take Franson at $1M over JJ at $3.25M any day of the week
Is there anything pointing to the fact that Gardiner isn’t a top pairing D man? He just had 52 points (15th highest amongst defenders) and his possession is extremely high relative to his teammates. So I guess it depends on your definition of elite whether that’s top 5 or top 30 or simply top pairing

Well.. Franson was effective in an extremely sheltered role in Chicago. I would take Franson at $1M over JJ at $3.25M any day of the week
Is there anything pointing to the fact that Gardiner isn’t a top pairing D man? He just had 52 points (15th highest amongst defenders) and his possession is extremely high relative to his teammates. So I guess it depends on your definition of elite whether that’s top 5 or top 30 or simply top pairing
- WSCTeton17

Exactly. Shelter a player and he might have good stats and look effective. Where is he now?

Shayne Gostisbehere does the same thing as Gardiner does but he's not an elite NHL defenseman.
Elite NHL defenseman are dominant against any level of competition and in any situation. What situations are Gardiner's teammates playing in that are different than the situations he plays in?
Gardiner is a good player but he is nowhere near elite.

I am not mad at all. I'm only pointing out how preposterous you are.
- james_tanner1

Typical Tanner.

The guy is way off and then gets very defensive when called out.