1 team that’s been propped up by the league taking cap hits but not paying the salary to help out other teams is a bit of a joke....hopefully they address this crap soon.

It doesn't and you are absolutely correct...

-Seabrook looks done
-WTF has happened to Toews
-Crow?

I think we can survive without a top flight Seabrook, but we need more than 50 points from a 10.5 million dollar center and if Crawford is not in net the Hawks are playing golf in May.
- kwolf68

I think it's good that the Blackhawks are trying to get their cap in order -- even if they don't get an immediate replacement for the Hossa slot, they have to start addressing their cap situation so they can retrofit the roster for another run while Kane is still good and Keith is viable for 20-plus minutes

I was hoping we would avoid this deal, but alas it has happened. The money is nothing, as we only have to pay Hossa 200k each year because insurance picks up the rest. So we basically gave up a 30 year old AHL D, a prospect and a 3/4 line C for a top 9ish winger who is younger, a puck moving D and a 3rd round pick. Not exactly what I was hoping for, but it's something. Hopefully for the Hawks, Hossa doesn't get pissed and just retire which would totally (frank) their cap for the next 3 years with his recapture penalty...but I know I sure wouldn't walk away from a 3 mil severance package...

I do think Chayka has had Bowman's number on these deals though, It basically equates to:

Hammer, Panik, Vinnie H, Jordan O and a 3rd for Murphy, Kruger, AHL D and a decent prospect. I'm really curious to see what the Hawks do with their new found space, Faulk? Patches? What say you Hawks fans?

I did read the thread. How in the hell are you saying you're not talking about the outlook for the 2018-19 season when you're the one saying that you're gonna use the Hossa space for a front-end player?

The Blackhawks won three Cups. They were good then. Nobody's taking that away from them

They sucked last year. After getting speed-bagged by the Preds in the playoffs the year before. No guarantees they'll be any better this year, because some of the key players are on the back nine of their careers -- I wasn't the one who healthy-scratched Seabrook last year. That was your freaking coach

Don't be so damn sensitive -- you were in the draft lottery three weeks ago. Because they sucked last year
- AllInForFlyers

Because the usability of cap space related to this deal is a direct result of this trade, while your analysis of Seabrook, Toews and Crow are not.

Hellooooooo.... Anybody home, McFly??

Sounds like somebody still isn't over their loss in the 2010 Cup Finals

Because the usability of cap space related to this deal is a direct result of this trade, while your analysis of Seabrook, Toews and Crow are not.

Hellooooooo.... Anybody home, McFly??

Sounds like somebody still isn't over their loss in the 2010 Cup Finals
- Katana777

LOL

Yeah, I'm home. As I said, "Moving Hossa's cap hit doesn't put out all the fires," which is, of course, an assessment of the trade AND a comment on the 2018-19 outlook. Some of us can multitask with language, bro

As for 2010, man, that's eight years ago. People win and lose all the time

As I also said: No one can take the three Cups away from Chicago. You were in the draft lottery three weeks ago. Both of the preceding statements are true, man

Osterle. You were celebrating Kruger earlier and now he's nothing. Your lack of objectivity is palpable.

Vinnie is decent player, but doesn't have the size or elite hands/skill to be a top 6 winger. He should be a good addition to the Coyotes bottom 6 role. I had him pegged as L3-Wing in Chicago this year, I suspect he'll play similar level in Arizona.

Osterle is horrific. He has some offensive skill, but is overall an atrocious defensive hockey player.

Now, the D-Man the Hawks got was garbage as well as Maletta....but the Entwistle kid isn't not a piece of junk....dude is 18 years old, 6'3 and is nearly a PPG in the OHL, was a third round pick in last year's draft. Probably expendable for Coyotes, but don't pretend he has NO upside.

You prattle on about how Jordan freaking Osterle is "sneaky" and then gloss over an 18 year old 3rd round pick who has gotten rave reviews for his 200 foot game, as well as a player who continues to improve as he adds muscle to his 6'3 frame. Entwistle is absolutely a kid to keep our eyes on.

Regarding Kruger. Yep, for the better part of a year now he has looked pretty awful, washed up even. BUT, it wasn't so long ago he was a very capable bottom 6 center who could win draws, play D and kill penalties, ONE of the chief weaknesses the Hawks have. Did we address that weakness? Hard to say, but Kruger is only 28 years old, I have to think some gas is left in the tank.

Oh yea, the Hawks picked up boat load of cap space.

So you pick up a bottom 6 winger with a bit of upside, a nothing D-man, big deal. You gave us a third round 18 year old prospect and a bunch of cap space. Not sure why you think this is some sort of huge win.
- kwolf68

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about.

Almost every single blog from Tanner is totally biased and lacks objectivity.

Personally, I think the Hawks won this one. They got Entwistle and cap space. Whereas the Yotes got a bunch of crap. Yotes could have gotten more to take on Hossa's contract.

Cap space is king.

Osterle. You were celebrating Kruger earlier and now he's nothing. Your lack of objectivity is palpable.

Vinnie is decent player, but doesn't have the size or elite hands/skill to be a top 6 winger. He should be a good addition to the Coyotes bottom 6 role. I had him pegged as L3-Wing in Chicago this year, I suspect he'll play similar level in Arizona.

Osterle is horrific. He has some offensive skill, but is overall an atrocious defensive hockey player.

Now, the D-Man the Hawks got was garbage as well as Maletta....but the Entwistle kid isn't not a piece of junk....dude is 18 years old, 6'3 and is nearly a PPG in the OHL, was a third round pick in last year's draft. Probably expendable for Coyotes, but don't pretend he has NO upside.

You prattle on about how Jordan freaking Osterle is "sneaky" and then gloss over an 18 year old 3rd round pick who has gotten rave reviews for his 200 foot game, as well as a player who continues to improve as he adds muscle to his 6'3 frame. Entwistle is absolutely a kid to keep our eyes on.

Regarding Kruger. Yep, for the better part of a year now he has looked pretty awful, washed up even. BUT, it wasn't so long ago he was a very capable bottom 6 center who could win draws, play D and kill penalties, ONE of the chief weaknesses the Hawks have. Did we address that weakness? Hard to say, but Kruger is only 28 years old, I have to think some gas is left in the tank.

Oh yea, the Hawks picked up boat load of cap space.

So you pick up a bottom 6 winger with a bit of upside, a nothing D-man, big deal. You gave us a third round 18 year old prospect and a bunch of cap space. Not sure why you think this is some sort of huge win.
- kwolf68

Here is my write up on Kruger - I was hardly 'celebrating.' Essentially I said he was a good defensive player who is extremely overpaid.


https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=92734

Franson


Dude, let it go. He sucks

Seems like a whole lot of nothing for a whole lot of nothing.
- Lahey

If you're not a super hockey nerd and you don't know anything about osterle and VH then it can probably seem that way. But the Hawks get cap space and the Coytoes get two above replacement level players.

U were all over Kruger 3 months ago ; not so much. To say the dman is better than Goligoski is well a big stretch. At least ur consistent James

I was hoping we would avoid this deal, but alas it has happened. The money is nothing, as we only have to pay Hossa 200k each year because insurance picks up the rest. So we basically gave up a 30 year old AHL D, a prospect and a 3/4 line C for a top 9ish winger who is younger, a puck moving D and a 3rd round pick. Not exactly what I was hoping for, but it's something. Hopefully for the Hawks, Hossa doesn't get pissed and just retire which would totally (frank) their cap for the next 3 years with his recapture penalty...but I know I sure wouldn't walk away from a 3 mil severance package...

I do think Chayka has had Bowman's number on these deals though, It basically equates to:

Hammer, Panik, Vinnie H, Jordan O and a 3rd for Murphy, Kruger, AHL D and a decent prospect. I'm really curious to see what the Hawks do with their new found space, Faulk? Patches? What say you Hawks fans?
- gmiel1980

Besides money, the only tangible asset this cost the Coyotes was a guy they just used a third line pick on. He might or might not be good, but they also upgraded two other picks and got a couple guys who can play. Depth wins and last year they didn't have it. This is a really nice subtle, creative move.

Oesterle is extremely underrated. He's not great or anything, but he's probably above average for what a third pairing D does.

U were all over Kruger 3 months ago ; not so much. To say the dman is better than Goligoski is well a big stretch. At least ur consistent James
- rinaldo

Where was at all excited about Kruger? It was a smart play to pick him up. A very smart play. Doesn't mean you keep him forever!

Besides money, the only tangible asset this cost the Coyotes was a guy they just used a third line pick on. He might or might not be good, but they also upgraded two other picks and got a couple guys who can play. Depth wins and last year they didn't have it. This is a really nice subtle, creative move.

Oesterle is extremely underrated. He's not great or anything, but he's probably above average for what a third pairing D does.
- james_tanner1

i suspect this trade ends up like the duclair trade.

yotes will have hinostorza and the 3rd to show for it. hawks will have nothing but the cap space from hossa.

Besides money, the only tangible asset this cost the Coyotes was a guy they just used a third line pick on. He might or might not be good, but they also upgraded two other picks and got a couple guys who can play. Depth wins and last year they didn't have it. This is a really nice subtle, creative move.

Oesterle is extremely underrated. He's not great or anything, but he's probably above average for what a third pairing D does.
- james_tanner1

What are u basing he is extremely underrated analysis on? Live play u have seen? Pure stats ?
Please elaborate

Besides money, the only tangible asset this cost the Coyotes was a guy they just used a third line pick on. He might or might not be good, but they also upgraded two other picks and got a couple guys who can play. Depth wins and last year they didn't have it. This is a really nice subtle, creative move.

Oesterle is extremely underrated. He's not great or anything, but he's probably above average for what a third pairing D does.
- james_tanner1

The question is if Oesterle is a real player or was he a player on a bad team?

Blackhawks were nasty last year. Doesn't mean every player was bad, doesn't mean Oesterle was bad.

But he struck me as not a part of the solution and more part of the problem. Just me from watching them play. I could obviously be wrong.

I'd just say hold off until you get him in the lineup. Hinostroza is an NHLer. I'd be more careful about Oesterle, but that's just me

i suspect this trade ends up like the duclair trade.

yotes will have hinostorza and the 3rd to show for it. hawks will have nothing but the cap space from hossa.
- Tumbleweed

That's where I am

Where was at all excited about Kruger? It was a smart play to pick him up. A very smart play. Doesn't mean you keep him forever!
- james_tanner1

U loved it and talked about it. Not going to try and find it; just own it. No need to downplay it now

What are u basing he is extremely underrated analysis on? Live play u have seen? Pure stats ?
Please elaborate
- rinaldo

All Coyotes' D become world class the moment they put on the jersey. Don't you know anything....GEEEEEZ!

Retired.

That's a nice way of saying "his skin is rotting off."

Of course this trade made the Coyotes better. Chayka is a better GM than anyone else in the league and it would still be true if the second coming of Jesus Christ Himself took over as GM of, I don't know, let's say Boston.

The Coyotes went from Western Conference favorites to Western Conference favoriters, maybe even favoritest.

It's just too bad they'll lose to Toronto in the Finals. Right?
- Red001

His skin is rotting off?

After all these trades what each team has to show for it:

Coyotes
Hjalmarsson
Panik
Oesterle
Dauphin
Hinostroza

Blackhawks
Murphy
Kruger
Entwistle


Outside of Hjalmarsson each team just has been interchanging a bunch of dime a dozen pieces. At least the hawks are opening up cap space and contract numbers.

Arizona can find a cap dump anywhere. There are few if any teams willing to take on cap dumps in this manner

Chayka NEVER leverages that fact enough, he’s got something (no pressure to win of have a team with more than 1 or 2 good players and cap space) that almost no other team has

Chicago was over a barrel and Chayka undersold his position again

After all these trades what each team has to show for it:

Coyotes
Hjalmarsson
Panik
Oesterle
Dauphin

Blackhawks
Murphy
Kruger


Outside of Hjalmarsson each team just has been interchanging a bunch of dime a dozen pieces. At least the hawks are opening up cap space and contract numbers.
- DDM-Coga

the big win was hammer for murphy. the murphy contract...woof! hammer was great when healthy on the 2nd pair. perfect partner for chychurn.

the big win was hammer for murphy. the murphy contract...woof! hammer was great when healthy on the 2nd pair. perfect partner for chychurn.
- Tumbleweed

Only really good piece out of all bunch, everything else is very meh. Other than that these guys just like to trade with one another when they are bored

Only really good piece out of all bunch, everything else is very meh. Other than that these guys just like to trade with one another when they are bored
- DDM-Coga

hinostroza is an minor upgrade for the yotes. should be decent 3rd liner.

(frank)'s sake, kevin cannot-on was 9th in scoring last year for the yotes at 30 points.

anything at forward is huge improvement

hinostroza is an minor upgrade for the yotes. should be decent 3rd liner.

(frank)'s sake, kevin cannot-on was 9th in scoring last year for the yotes at 30 points.

anything at forward is huge improvement
- Tumbleweed

oh yeah he is a nice add, but you would never normally trade for them unless they were thrown in to some other deal.

Feels like guys like him always hit waivers at the start of the season, someone to fill in your 3rd line that could get you 35+ points

Now Coyotes have a million forwards, watch this move push Strome back into the AHL