Well said.

Stralman before Faulk
Pacioretty before skinner.

They could be sitting pretty with a poop ton of cap space if they can find a taker for AA. Then you could even deal Murphy at seasons ekd

Hossa money+Kruger gone+AA money+cap increasing.
- SteveRain

Not sure what the advanced stats comparison is between them, but I would take Pacioretty over Skinner, too.

Not sure what the advanced stats comparison is between them, but I would take Pacioretty over Skinner, too.
- AEL_Fox

And we could probably pay less for Stralman and Pacioretty then what Car wants for Skinner and Faulk.

Not sure what the advanced stats comparison is between them, but I would take Pacioretty over Skinner, too.
- AEL_Fox

I’d take Skinner then re-sign him for 6 x $6 million.

Kruger aside, Entwistle seems to be the centerpiece of the other assets coming to the Hawks organization. Maletta and Campbell are likely nothing more than AHL talent.

However, Campbell has captained both the Toronto Marlies and Tucson Roadrunners so he could be part of the new veteran leadership corps to replace what was lost with the now departed DiDomenico, Clendening, Franson, and Bouma.

Again with Franson and Bouma gone as well as Martinsen possibly cracking the Hawks lineup as a 4th liner or 13th forward, there really isn't much size or toughness amongst Hog forwards. Maletta brings that size and toughness.

The Panthers seem like a new interesting trade partner. They are in cap hell with tons of bodies on the offense and have some new expendable pieces. Here me out. Bjugstad and McGinn seem like the most likely tradeable pieces on the offense. Alex Petrovic could be the missing 'Top-4 Shut-Down D-man' we've missed since Hammer was traded. Moving big contracts with some prospects, how would you feel about a trade like this...

Florida acquires AA, Murphy, Forsling, Kampf + draft picks
Chicago acquires Bjugstad, Mcginn, Petrovic + picks.

Bjugstad has hovered at and has gone higher than 50% on draws and can also play the RW. McGinn provides sandpaper and he only has a year left on his contract so we can let him walk at the end of the year. Petrovic may be the odd man out on the defense next year since they have McCoshen to resign and Pysyk the year later. He can play on the right side along with Keith and could be resigned to a price that Karlsson or Faulk (when his contract is up) doesn't have. New lines would look like..

Saad-Toews-Cat
Ejsdell-Schmaltz-Kane
McGinn-Bjugstad-Sikura
Kunitz-Kruger-Hayden

Keith-Petrovic
Gus-Seabs
Manning-Rutta

Feel free to disagree.

Hopefully Hossa comes back in 2020/21 to help Arizona raise the cup. Hossa is a top 100 player of all time and I wish he was still playing bc he’d still be the 2nd best RW on most teams at 40. I applaud Bowman for this move that gives Kruger a chance to regain his 4C form with Hayden and Martinsen on his wings. Vinny is ideally a 3rd line guy on a good team, wish him well he’s a fiery lil dego and I respect his tenacity and hockey skill in that unfairly small body.

I haven’t watched Pacioretty much bc who the (frank) watches the Habs?? But I still think if Stan is willing to part with good trade assets, I covet a under 25 yr old stud or sure-hit prospect on defense.

Nash + trade for Faulk
then we just throw our hodgepodge it in the ring and see what happens in the central.

Panarin can’t ask for more than Kucherov now, so free up any extra cap space and sign Breadman 8mil. How much fun was it watching 88+72 in Chicago??? Breathtaking hockey excellence from those two.

- DarthKane

I remember seeing that goal from a different angle sometime later. From the time the puck bounced off the side board and Seabrook shot it on net, the goalie got a piece of it and Kruger put it into the net --- the whole time the puck was airborne.

So do we think today is the day ? Stan can upgrade the F and the D with the cash in hand. Sounds good to me

So do we think today is the day ? Stan can upgrade the F and the D with the cash in hand. Sounds good to me
- mrpaulish

I don't mind the Hossa dump trade....but as far as future moves, what scares me is he does something stupid like trade assets AND ink Pacioreitty to a stupid 7 x7 million deal or some such crap. Hope the heck Bowman doesn't just blow this Cap space on another contract to regret down the road!!!

I really hope a team signs Nash already so the Hawks arent tempted...
- SoftServe

Substitute "Nash" for "Patches"....

actually....I hope both get outta Stan's radar!!!

14 will be available in Rockford. Which is where Edsjell belongs.
- Elbows15

Agreed.

I don't mind the Hossa dump trade....but as far as future moves, what scares me is he does something stupid like trade assets AND ink Pacioreitty to a stupid 7 x7 million deal or some such crap. Hope the heck Bowman doesn't just blow this Cap space on another contract to regret down the road!!!
- hawk35

Could offer sheet a couple good RFA's with the extra cash and see if their team doesn't match it

AA back to CBJ for Panarin 😋?

Panarin can’t ask for more than Kucherov now, so free up any extra cap space and sign Breadman 8mil. How much fun was it watching 88+72 in Chicago??? Breathtaking hockey excellence from those two.
- EnzoD

Same. Bring back Breadman as a FA. Don't spend the extra cash on some old AF assclown. Not going to contend this year but be smart with the coin, make some trades that put you in a good spot for 2019.

If they bring in Patches, I'd like to see him with Toews/ADB with Saadfather moving down to Kane's line. Saad/Toews/ADB will get beat up by top line d-men. Sooo many smurfs on this team

If we can virtually swap AA for Patches and then trade a few pieces to get Faulk then I'm okay with that. You can get AA money off the books for an expiring contract that can fill the net this year and a young defensemen signed for the next 2 years at a reasonable cap hit.

Same. Bring back Breadman as a FA. Don't spend the extra cash on some old AF assclown. Not going to contend this year but be smart with the coin, make some trades that put you in a good spot for 2019.

If they bring in Patches, I'd like to see him with Toews/ADB with Saadfather moving down to Kane's line. Saad/Toews/ADB will get beat up by top line d-men. Sooo many smurfs on this team

- Assman22

Saad and Toews are both over 6 ft and 200 Lbs...

If we can virtually swap AA for Patches and then trade a few pieces to get Faulk then I'm okay with that. You can get AA money off the books for an expiring contract that can fill the net this year and a young defensemen signed for the next 2 years at a reasonable cap hit.
- SoftServe

Sadly the d-men we have may very well end up being what we have opening night

Keith/Murphy
Rutta/Forsling
Manning/Seabs
Gusty

Saad and Toews are both over 6 ft and 200 Lbs...
- SoftServe

Saad Toews Cat
Patches Schmaltz Kane
Hayden Kruger Sikura or Kunitz Kruger Hayden?
Kunitz Johnson Kahun

Keith Faulk
Murph Seabs
Rutta Manning

Corey
Ward

Would you trade Sikura in a Faulk deal?

Are the hawks better right because of the trade? Depends on what they do with the cap space.

Kruger and vinny are 2 different players. However Kruger was on fumes here at end of 2016 and did nothing like last year and is coming off an injury. Hmmm. Last retread to be that was sharp and that was forgettable.

Sorry. Signing a higher d man then the turd manning on 7/1 with the cap space today then creating another hole when they overpay for Faulk is not a great move.

Patch one hole (d man) by creating another (depth f or center).
- SteveRain

I don't get what you're complaining about. First of all you have no idea this trade was out there before yesterday and I doubt it was. If I had to guess, before 7/1, the price was likely higher and included something Stan didn't want to part with...which would have sprung the pitchfork and torch mob to action and I likley would have joined them. Either way, who knows.

Faulk isn't on the team today and no overpay by Bowman's been consummated, so no reason to be upset about moves not made yet.

Are they better today? No, but even if they don't use the money this year, that's one less dump they have to make down the road. Was it DeHaan you wanted in FA? He was ok, but it was a weak dman FA class, so it's not like there was a guy they could have signed where you could have said, "Oh yeah, they're back!"

Oh and again they practically gave up nothing.

Saad and Toews are both over 6 ft and 200 Lbs...
- SoftServe

And both soft as feathers

And there it is...the questioning the timing of the deal. Maybe the price was higher for the Hawks prior to the dates you mention? Who knows.

They didn't have to give up anything higher than a 3rd, Vinny's replaceable and Oyster even moreso, so it's a win AFAIC.
- HawkintheD

D hope you had a good 4th...

meantime I think you know what Rainman is referring to - the two trades where Stan held his cards too long in consecutive offseasons and was fleeced by both Snow on Leddy and Nil on Sharp. Those remain horrid deals for Stan. In particular the Sharp deal because of the other moves it effected.

If that cap space is there at the start of free agency this summer that might change things a bit. But who knows?

And once again Bowman was forced to dump a decent younger player to move an unwanted salary out. TT w/ Bicks Johns w/ Sharp Hino w/ Hossa.

As far as the deal yes cap space cleared - we'll see what Stan does. Could the Hawks acquire both Patches and Stralman somehow? In the meantime your center depth remains a concern and you still have done nothing to fix the defense for this coming season. Unless you think Kunitz and Manning are game changers.

But let's see how it plays out.

Anyone think Rag's would trade a C man?

Hayes is apparently available, or how about
a Charlie Coyle or Niederrieter from Minny
read they might available as they have cap
issues

Just thinking out loud

Does anyone really think Osterle is a 3/4. He isn't a guy that battles.
- glennjpawlak22

Orsterle is the first dman I wanted to see leave. The only value in paying several depth dmen last year, was that the offensive capable dmen might fetch you a draft choice or be part of a trade. With so many promising dmen prospects in the pipeline, Orsterle was expendabe.

Unfortunatelyy to be somewhat more competitive Bowman needed to sign a deHahn type. There really are not any fair dmen left to sign. Which is not so bad if you just keep your focus on the first wave of dmen prospects whom could play in Chicago maybe a tad earlier than expected.

I would watch development of Dahlstrom, Carlsson, Tuulola. Forsling and Snuggerud need more seasoning. Not even sure how well Snuggerud plays defensively.

I believe it would be wise to keep Murphy here and Manning as well. Perhaps you do move Murphy if you are happy enough with Manning plus both Hillman and Gilbert will battle. If they develop nicely then no need to keep both Murphy and Manning. But as back ups who will throw a check, the rookie pro's Hillman and Gilbert probably need a half season minimum in she AHL.

Cup, no. But what if Osterle plays a 3 or 4 role while the hawks miss the playoffs and the Dogs squeak in? Not saying it's a sure thing, but it's possible. I'm glad it wasn't Forsling.
- 6628

And what if Entwistle becomes a credible #3/#4 and Kruger approaches the Kruger of old....

Ya pays yo money and ya takes yo chances.

D hope you had a good 4th...

meantime I think you know what Rainman is referring to - the two trades where Stan held his cards too long in consecutive offseasons and was fleeced by both Snow on Leddy and Nil on Sharp. Those remain horrid deals for Stan. In particular the Sharp deal because of the other moves it effected.

If that cap space is there at the start of free agency this summer that might change things a bit. But who knows?

And once again Bowman was forced to dump a decent younger player to move an unwanted salary out. TT w/ Bicks Johns w/ Sharp Hino w/ Hossa.

As far as the deal yes cap space cleared - we'll see what Stan does. Could the Hawks acquire both Patches and Stralman somehow? In the meantime your center depth remains a concern and you still have done nothing to fix the defense for this coming season. Unless you think Kunitz and Manning are game changers.

But let's see how it plays out.
- DK002

I don't think Bowman was at all 'forced' to make a dump by including Hinostroza. It was the cost of doing business in order to move the Hossa paper and more importantly it was part of the total evaluation of their forward group. And they decided that they already had 2 pint sized forwards who were much better players than Hino (#88 and DCat). And further to that they have kids like Sikura, Anthony Louis and a wild card in signee Dominic Kohun. So it was nice to have known you Vinny good luck.........

And now Bowman has some cap flexibility to go fishing in a bigger pond to shore up other areas of weakness.