All things considered, he's not worth it. He's small, he gets hurt a lot, his point totals aren't impressive, he's going on 29 with only 2 years left on his deal. No, he's not worth the picks and prospects to acquire. If the Leafs are going to get a RHD, swing big and get Pietrangelo. Get somebody who is the complete package. Don't pay an arm and a leg for half a player, literally and figuratively.
- Unholy_Goalie

an arm and a leg for half a player? sounds like good value to me.

Didn't say anything to you and you're calling it moronic in a weak attempt to insult.

And, as many others, you're missing the point. It's not an argument in bad faith, it's the simple fact that anything considered negative towards the Leafs is instantly considered ban worthy. People are so feverishly against it, they don't even bother to read the user name, they just see a copy cat avatar and go off.
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- Unholy_Goalie

I'm calling it moronic because that's what it is.

Notice how you didn't even address any of the arguments? That's what you do. You ignore points people make if you don't have a counterpoint, and just keep harping your POV. That's why I say you're arguing in bad faith.

It's not that you're negative- it's that you're overly negative and consistently wrong, and when you're proven wrong, you just move the goalposts, deflect, or flat out deny that you said something.


If you're upset that people judge your comments by the fact that it's you posting them, and not by their content- consider why people have built that association.

i would have prefered a buy/sell, where we brought a rh dman & plek and shipped out jvr/bozak.

but we fired the guy who didn't sell on those guys.
- Tumbleweed

He wasn't fired, put out to pasture.

He wasn't fired, put out to pasture.
- winsix

pasteurized us a Johnny.

I'm calling it moronic because that's what it is.
- Feeling Glucky?

Pot...

Notice how you didn't even address any of the arguments? That's what you do. You ignore points people make if you don't have a counterpoint, and just keep harping your POV. That's why I say you're arguing in bad faith.

...meet kettle.

C'mon guys, can't we just hate on Garf like we used to in the old days?

Trading them at the deadline would have still given them the cap space.
- Unholy_Goalie

Sure. How much tho would depend on what came back. I also think that there would have been a serious uproar if the Leafs management traded 2/3rds of their 3rd line away a month before the playoffs & given "cap space" as a reason. I get that they walked away for nothing. But I truly believe that JVR & Bozak only left once it was obvious that Tavares was signing. Otherwise they likely would have been re-signed by the Leafs. I personally think that we are in a better spot now than we were before July 1st regardless. And you have to wonder in Tavares is so willing to sign with the Leafs if he witnessed a management decision like that right before your second playoff run in basically a decade. Despite money, location, winning & all the rest of the reasons a player might want to play somewhere, I think organizational (job) stability ranks somewhere near number one.

pasteurized us a Johnny.
- Bigzby

Heeeeeere's Johnny;

https://www.theplayerstri...s-toronto-maple-leafs-nhl

All things considered, he's not worth it. He's small, he gets hurt a lot, his point totals aren't impressive, he's going on 29 with only 2 years left on his deal. No, he's not worth the picks and prospects to acquire. If the Leafs are going to get a RHD, swing big and get Pietrangelo. Get somebody who is the complete package. Don't pay an arm and a leg for half a player, literally and figuratively.
- Unholy_Goalie

Nobody has discussed the cost. Its an option for the Leafs to consider, since they are in a window over the next 2 seasons where they will need to push for a cup.

obviously if the cost is too high the Leafs should pass. But based on the reasons you give yourself, I dont see why he would cost a lot.

Stl is not trading AP, they are in the same situation as the Leafs..they are trying to win now

Plekanec wanted to go back home in Montreal anyway.

You guys had to settle for Tavares.

Nobody has discussed the cost. Its an option for the Leafs to consider, since they are in a window over the next 2 seasons where they will need to push for a cup.

obviously if the cost is too high the Leafs should pass. But based on the reasons you give yourself, I dont see why he would cost a lot.

Stl is not trading AP, they are in the same situation as the Leafs..they are trying to win now
- senstroll

Pretty sure at least one person speculated it would cost Sandin / Rasanen. Either way, it's going to cost picks and prospects that he's not worth. If they're okay with taking a Zaitsev, sure, go for it. But odds are, they'll ask for a lot considering how many minutes he eats up for them.

Depends what the Leafs offer. Also depends what Pietrangelo plans to do when his contract expires. Maybe he has that Leafs bed spread at home.

Plekanec wanted to go back home in Montreal anyway.

You guys had to settle for Tavares.
- Scabeh

They could have been teammates, now they'll match up together as opponents

Plekanec wanted to go back home in Montreal anyway.

You guys had to settle for Tavares.
- Scabeh

Exactly how I expected it go. We settled for the loser

meh. on the left side they have Rielly/Gardiner/Dermott.
Really need a top 4 RHD to make an impact.

At the moment this is how I would rank the Leafs RHD

Carrick
Zeitsev
Hainsey

Getting someone who can bump all 3 down and 1 out.
Really thats pretty weak overall RHD. NZ had one terrible year, I saw a comparision from his year 1 vs year 2 and it was like 2 different players. very strange.

hopefully it was just an off year or injury issue..otherwise he wont help much
- senstroll

because of Gardiner's contract status (FA next summer) and the season he just had statistically, AND because Dermott is a very similar type of player... they Leafs really should consider moving Gardiner for either a LHD who's more solid/consistent defensively and more robust physically, or as part of a package for a RHD (there's a handful of guys possible).

if Gardiner is moved, having Rielly, Dermott and Rosen/Borgman on the left side would not be terrible.

gotta believe that the Canes will unload one of their d-men.. and it won't cost Nylander

Plekanec wanted to go back home in Montreal anyway.

You guys had to settle for Tavares.
- Scabeh

so Plekanec went home as well... but what about the taxes?

BAM!! Freddy the Goat back on a fresh new 2 year deal. Championship moves.

so Plekanec went home as well... but what about the taxes?
- BorjeFan4Ever

we pay the highest godamn income tax on this side of france

Pretty sure at least one person speculated it would cost Sandin / Rasanen. Either way, it's going to cost picks and prospects that he's not worth. If they're okay with taking a Zaitsev, sure, go for it. But odds are, they'll ask for a lot considering how many minutes he eats up for them.

Depends what the Leafs offer. Also depends what Pietrangelo plans to do when his contract expires. Maybe he has that Leafs bed spread at home.
- Unholy_Goalie

you are on both sides arguing here.

He is not a good target for the leafs because of many reasons...but he will be expensive and Eats up minutes?

he is more realistic than AP..or any other top pair D thats not available

Pretty sure at least one person speculated it would cost Sandin / Rasanen. Either way, it's going to cost picks and prospects that he's not worth. If they're okay with taking a Zaitsev, sure, go for it. But odds are, they'll ask for a lot considering how many minutes he eats up for them.

Depends what the Leafs offer. Also depends what Pietrangelo plans to do when his contract expires. Maybe he has that Leafs bed spread at home.
- Unholy_Goalie

Gardiner is better then Pietrangelo..no need. We are already contenders anyhow, no point in dumb moves...

so Plekanec went home as well... but what about the taxes?
- BorjeFan4Ever

10 year olds don't understand taxes!

BAM!! Freddy the Goat back on a fresh new 2 year deal. Championship moves.
- Archaic

What can the Nuremberg Sabo Ice Tigers send us in trade for him?

Exciting. Can't wait to see them hold the lead for the next 90 minutes in a stifling defensive game which is sure to keep everyone on the edge of their seat around the world.
- TheMussel

you're right.
this game is unwatchable.

it's worse than a 2018-2019 habs-sens game

you are on both sides arguing here.

He is not a good target for the leafs because of many reasons...but he will be expensive and Eats up minutes?

he is more realistic than AP..or any other top pair D thats not available
- senstroll

He's not worth the price tag. Just because his price tag is high, doesn't mean he's worth it for the Leafs.

The Leafs need a legit top pair RHD. Getting a guy who is less than that is a waste of assets. Save the assets for a legit top pair RHD.

Gardiner is better then Pietrangelo..no need. We are already contenders anyhow, no point in dumb moves...
- Archaic

- Unholy_Goalie

Its true, and taxes cant disprove that.