Doesn't pass the smell test. This metric must be flawed.
- Unholy_Goalie

we have terrabytes of data showing your analysis on this site and there is no way you can judge

5'9", 174.

Hard pass.
- Unholy_Goalie

Doesn't pass the smell test. This poster must be flawed.

Ah (frank), here we go again.

Short bus dropped Uggy off at home early!



- .OHOH.

Come On HOHO, I mean OHOH, it takes a special type of talent for a fan to complain about a team that has gone from perennially finishing out of the playoffs to one of the most exciting teams in the world. It like a lifelong homeless person winning $60 million and crying poor.

Doesn't pass the smell test. This poster must be flawed.
- senstroll

Are there any RHD who are 5'1", 120 out there? Maybe he can skate between everyone's legs for more efficient zone exits.

I've said before that any of these metrics (Corsi, Fenwick, GAR, etc.) are incapable of dealing with a Jake Gardiner.

I understand that you loathe him, but he brings an offensive dynamic to the team. He makes more good passes than bad passes, and creates offense. Unfortunately, he creates offense for both teams. It just slants more in his own team's favour.

The bottom line with Gardiner is that its easy to be mad at him because his gaffes are so ridiculously egregious. He makes mistakes that 10 year old kids know better than to make.

But in the end, he is still a greater benefit than a detriment.
- Monkeypunk

This is a good post. He's a very talented offensive player. I'd like to see him in a situation where he's the 3rd or 4th best Dman on the team instead of 2nd.

That being said, he will likely be signing a huge UFA deal with another team in a few years, so we should trade him while we can. We already lost a perennial 30 goal scorer for nothing, that was dumb. 50 point Dman will get a nice return at the trade deadline.

Are there any RHD who are 5'1", 120 out there? Maybe he can skate between everyone's legs for more efficient zone exits.
- Unholy_Goalie

agreed. this post proves spurgeon sucks.

weber went down early, Petry got 1st PP time and tons of ice time

Now look at his +/-
- Symba007

A team that has a sv% around .900 will probably have a lot of "-" players

the thing is, just because a stat doesnt align with my perception..I dont assume there is something wrong with the stat automatically.

these types of models are just trying to present a players overall impact over a season. And probably include a ton of stuff our eyes and memory dont see or value.

i just looked having not payed any attention to him at all.. and he really had 12 goals and 42 points? I had no clue
- senstroll

Oh the stat does reveal some of his qualities for sure.

But that's also why I never look at stats alone to evaluate a player.

Petry is a good player, he's fine on our 2nd pairing. But he's not as good as others who seemed listed under him regarding that GAR thing.

Are there any RHD who are 5'1", 120 out there? Maybe he can skate between everyone's legs for more efficient zone exits.
- Unholy_Goalie

Got just the guy for ya.



Way more reliable than Gardiner defensively too.

Are there any RHD who are 5'1", 120 out there? Maybe he can skate between everyone's legs for more efficient zone exits.
- Unholy_Goalie

you really like to spew nonsense. jfc

agreed. this post proves spurgeon sucks.
- Tumbleweed

Small, misses a fair amount of games, doesn't put up that many points, going on 29 years old, only two years left on his deal.

Like I said, if he was a free agent (like how Minnesota found him), sure, bring him on and give the little bugger a try. Otherwise, keep the prospects and picks and spend them on somebody actually worth it.

You have me confused with someone else because I don't loathe Gardiner. I understand he's a good passer (probably #1 in the NHL in completed stretch passes) and he's a good skater. His offensive qualities usually outweigh his defensive flaws. I was the first to defend him when people were poopting on him for game 7. The reality is, he's a #3 defenseman who was forced to play #1 minutes for a lack of a better option. The player isn't bad, his utilization is bad.
- Unholy_Goalie

After the flip always comes the flop.

This is a good post. He's a very talented offensive player. I'd like to see him in a situation where he's the 3rd or 4th best Dman on the team instead of 2nd.

That being said, he will likely be signing a huge UFA deal with another team in a few years, so we should trade him while we can. We already lost a perennial 30 goal scorer for nothing, that was dumb. 50 point Dman will get a nice return at the trade deadline.
- BestRapperAlive

dubas salvaged that by using jvr's (and bozak's) cap space for tavares.

if we missed out on tavares, it would have been a complete waste.

Oh the stat does reveal some of his qualities for sure.

But that's also why I never look at stats alone to evaluate a player.

Petry is a good player, he's fine on our 2nd pairing. But he's not as good as others who seemed listed under him regarding that GAR thing.
- Scabeh

He's nowhere near Hedman. Not even close.

This is a good post. He's a very talented offensive player. I'd like to see him in a situation where he's the 3rd or 4th best Dman on the team instead of 2nd.

That being said, he will likely be signing a huge UFA deal with another team in a few years, so we should trade him while we can. We already lost a perennial 30 goal scorer for nothing, that was dumb. 50 point Dman will get a nice return at the trade deadline.
- BestRapperAlive

That's a tough call. At this point, the question is - are the Leafs in it to win it, or are they still in a build-mode? I understand you can do both to some extent, but trading an asset like Gardiner at the trade deadline means you're giving a weapon to a team you're potentially competing against for the cup.

Obviously if you can get that team to a game 7, you've given then a primed hand grenade, but you know . . . the other games.

Got just the guy for ya.



Way more reliable than Gardiner defensively too.
- Scabeh

I think he's more of a mold for the ideal Habs 1st line centre that has remained strangely vacant since Desharnais left

weber went down early, Petry got 1st PP time and tons of ice time

Now look at his +/-
- Symba007

That additional PP time would make his GAR higher. It doesn't measure +/-.

1-0 England.

He's nowhere near Hedman. Not even close.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes, thank you for pointing that out.

Did you also know that ice is cold and fire is hot?

1-0 England.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think he's more of a mold for the ideal Habs 1st line centre that has remained strangely vacant since Desharnais left
- TheMussel

I'll let you in a on little secret.

He IS Desharnais.

He's nowhere near Hedman. Not even close.
- Unholy_Goalie

about 20 feet away on this picture

about 20 feet away on this picture


- Symba007

dubas salvaged that by using jvr's (and bozak's) cap space for tavares.

if we missed out on tavares, it would have been a complete waste.
- Tumbleweed

Trading them at the deadline would have still given them the cap space.

Oh the stat does reveal some of his qualities for sure.

But that's also why I never look at stats alone to evaluate a player.

Petry is a good player, he's fine on our 2nd pairing. But he's not as good as others who seemed listed under him regarding that GAR thing.
- Scabeh

I cant watch minny games and if they arnt playing the leafs I wont watch Habs games.
so getting as much info as I can from these types of stats is what I like to do.

to be honest most fans only watch other teams once in a while and look at the goals and assists and form opinions.