What's Nylanders #'s look like away from Matthews....show me the graphs...since my eye deceives me i've been told.

7 years @5mln/per
plus a 2.5million per year 7year endorsement deal with head&shoulders

Pastrnak is best comparable in my opinion - Pastrnak at 6.6 x 5.

offer Nylander 6.25 x 5... end of story... don't know why you guys are so inclined to over complicate this. Pastrnak has better stats - Nylander plays and will continue to play with Matthews. He should be happy with 6 x 5.

What's Nylanders #'s look like away from Matthews....show me the graphs...since my eye deceives me i've been told.
- Garnie

I was thinking the same thing. I like Nylander but there's no question that Matthews has helped him develop quicker. Unlike Marner, who can carry his own line (with poopty players too), Nylander away from Matthews might not be worth the really big bucks.

Kucherov just got 76 million over 8 years. What if Nylander (and/or his agent) think he's capable of reaching that level and wants that kind of money? Then maybe his willingness to sign an 8 year deal might decrease.

Pastrnak is best comparable in my opinion - Pastrnak at 6.6 x 5.

offer Nylander 6.25 x 5... end of story... don't know why you guys are so inclined to over complicate this. Pastrnak has better stats - Nylander plays and will continue to play with Matthews. He should be happy with 6 x 5.
- BorjeFan4Ever

5 years makes him a UFA at the end of that deal. You want Nylander to be a UFA at 27?

I was thinking the same thing. I like Nylander but there's no question that Matthews has helped him develop quicker. Unlike Marner, who can carry his own line (with poopty players too), Nylander away from Matthews might not be worth the really big bucks.

Kucherov just got 76 million over 8 years. What if Nylander (and/or his agent) think he's capable of reaching that level and wants that kind of money? Then maybe his willingness to sign an 8 year deal might decrease.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes a likley scenario is Nylander saying I want Kucherov money

I was thinking the same thing. I like Nylander but there's no question that Matthews has helped him develop quicker. Unlike Marner, who can carry his own line (with poopty players too), Nylander away from Matthews might not be worth the really big bucks.

Kucherov just got 76 million over 8 years. What if Nylander (and/or his agent) think he's capable of reaching that level and wants that kind of money? Then maybe his willingness to sign an 8 year deal might decrease.
- Unholy_Goalie

Hyman scored more 5v5 then Nylander...his #'s drop both 16-17 and 17-18 without AM.

Dubas will get it right....

Yes a likley scenario is Nylander saying I want Kucherov money
- senstroll

Well, with the tax difference between Toronto and Tampa, if he wanted Kucherov money he'd ask for more.

Yes a likley scenario is Nylander saying I want Kucherov money
- senstroll

You misunderstood. He might not demand it now because clearly he's not worth it but he or his agent might think he's capable of being worth that money in a couple years. So if they get locked into an 8 year deal, he could feel he'd be losing out on future money.

I was thinking the same thing. I like Nylander but there's no question that Matthews has helped him develop quicker. Unlike Marner, who can carry his own line (with poopty players too), Nylander away from Matthews might not be worth the really big bucks.

Kucherov just got 76 million over 8 years. What if Nylander (and/or his agent) think he's capable of reaching that level and wants that kind of money? Then maybe his willingness to sign an 8 year deal might decrease.
- Unholy_Goalie

agreed. Save the money for Marner/Mathews and lock'em up long. 6x6 would be decent for Willie.

agreed. Save the money for Marner/Mathews and lock'em up long. 6x6 would be decent for Willie.
- mel_vin

Or trade him for a top pairing RHD 25 or under and spend that money on defense.

I was thinking the same thing. I like Nylander but there's no question that Matthews has helped him develop quicker. Unlike Marner, who can carry his own line (with poopty players too), Nylander away from Matthews might not be worth the really big bucks.

Kucherov just got 76 million over 8 years. What if Nylander (and/or his agent) think he's capable of reaching that level and wants that kind of money? Then maybe his willingness to sign an 8 year deal might decrease.
- Unholy_Goalie

Cause Nylander knows what's best for him.. Something similar to Pastrnak.. Will still get paid, he is not going to try to hurt the Leafs chances of winning.
6 years deal at $6.5M per season.

You misunderstood. He might not demand it now because clearly he's not worth it but he or his agent might think he's capable of being worth that money in a couple years. So if they get locked into an 8 year deal, he could feel he'd be losing out on future money.
- Unholy_Goalie

Good players sign 8 year deals all the time. Thats what happens when you do, you give up some money on the back end for the guaranteed money. thats not a secret.

Also dont forget the Agent gets a cut..so his interests are in getting a long term big contract now also.

anyways...there is always way to much nonsense discussed...i have no doubt Dubas/Leafs and Nylander will get a fair deal done. 7 or 8 years. around 7.

Cause Nylander knows what's best for him.. Something similar to Pastrnak.. Will still get paid, he is not going to try to hurt the Leafs chances of winning.
6 years deal at $6.5M per season.
- PatC80

I'm not talking about hurting the Leafs because if he signs a 3 or 4 year deal, he gets closer to being a UFA and his cap hit would still be low to help the Leafs.

A 6 year deal is buying 2 UFA years. That might not come cheap.

Well, with the tax difference between Toronto and Tampa, if he wanted Kucherov money he'd ask for more.
- RickJames77

Just like Tavares...went elsewhere

Willie is a great complimentary player to Tavares, Matthews and Marner on offense.
He's in the Kadri group of players. Leafs either go 3 years at 4.25million, or 6/7years at 6.25million. No way Willie gets more than 7million.

Cause Nylander knows what's best for him.. Something similar to Pastrnak.. Will still get paid, he is not going to try to hurt the Leafs chances of winning.
6 years deal at $6.5M per season.
- PatC80

Wilcard here is Mathews I think. I think they should hammer out that deal sooner than later so they have a better view for the longer term. The good thing is there was a video on TSN where they interview Orr and he said that Mathews likes Toronto and wants to stay here and win.

Frank, Im totally stoked for this up coming season

Good players sign 8 year deals all the time. Thats what happens when you do, you give up some money on the back end for the guaranteed money. thats not a secret.

Also dont forget the Agent gets a cut..so his interests are in getting a long term big contract now also.

anyways...there is always way to much nonsense discussed...i have no doubt Dubas/Leafs and Nylander will get a fair deal done. 7 or 8 years. around 7.
- senstroll

Agents also know that the UFA market gets more teams bidding for their clients which means higher offers so signing a long term deal is going to cost more than you think and they may prefer to become a UFA sooner rather than later.

I'm not talking about hurting the Leafs because if he signs a 3 or 4 year deal, he gets closer to being a UFA and his cap hit would still be low to help the Leafs.

A 6 year deal is buying 2 UFA years. That might not come cheap.
- Unholy_Goalie

market price is set for that by pasta and ehlers.

Fack bridging.
8 year 6.5 per for nylander.
Just get it done already

Willie is a great complimentary player to Tavares, Matthews and Marner on offense.
He's in the Kadri group of players. Leafs either go 3 years at 4.25million, or 6/7years at 6.25million. No way Willie gets more than 7million.
- plantheparade

the difference between Marner and Nylander is small. Both drive play. Nylander so far produces more points at 5v5..granted with Matthews. We will see this season when Marner gets a fulltime elite C

Good players sign 8 year deals all the time. Thats what happens when you do, you give up some money on the back end for the guaranteed money. thats not a secret.

Also dont forget the Agent gets a cut..so his interests are in getting a long term big contract now also.

anyways...there is always way to much nonsense discussed...i have no doubt Dubas/Leafs and Nylander will get a fair deal done. 7 or 8 years. around 7.
- senstroll

I predict he will get 8 years at 7M per.

Fack bridging.
8 year 6.5 per for nylander.
Just get it done already
- Fakepartofme

8x6 and it's a deal

Agents also know that the UFA market gets more teams bidding for their clients which means higher offers so signing a long term deal is going to cost more than you think and they may prefer to become a UFA sooner rather than later.
- Unholy_Goalie

I am skeptical of your powers to see inside the minds of players and agents since you were so far off the mark on Tavares.

but keep on pretending you have some sort of special understanding of what everyone is thinking.

I'm not talking about hurting the Leafs because if he signs a 3 or 4 year deal, he gets closer to being a UFA and his cap hit would still be low to help the Leafs.

A 6 year deal is buying 2 UFA years. That might not come cheap.
- Unholy_Goalie

Here is what's wrong with what you're suggesting/thinking..

Tavares said it wasn't about the money, it's about winning
Bobby Orr, said on behalf of Matthews, it's not about the money. It's about winning

Why assume Nylander thinks differently?

These guys grew up, having dreams of winning the Stanley Cup, not about making bank.
When they were kids playing hockey, they were probably picturing themselves scoring the OT winner in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup final. I'd be willing to bet, even more than they would picture themselves playing in a tax-free market or how much money they will make before they turn 25..