Can't say the same about half the people here though, just look at this past page.











Repeated insults.
- Unholy_Goalie

(frank) off you lonely little female genitalia!

Kucherov gets 9.5 and Yzerman is lauded. I say skip the bridge and lock him up at 6.5 on a long term. I don’t see his point totals going down.

Vegas has the Leafs as a contender.

Who knows more, UG, or the sportsbooks in Vegas?

That's a poopty way to define a contender when you consider Vegas had terrible odds to win the Cup and yet there they were in the Finals.
- Unholy_Goalie

weak.

You cannot, by definition, use hindsight to label a contender.

Vegas has the Leafs as the favourite because they expect lots of money on the Leafs.

Why? Because lot's of people think they are going to win. Those people believe the Leafs are a contender.

To state that they are not, is simply you getting off on fighting with everyone.

You are wrong. I won't have more to say on the subject.

Vegas has the Leafs as a contender.

Who knows more, UG, or the sportsbooks in Vegas?
- Aetherial

Is the team that finished 7th overall this past year a contender?

I like Bozak as a player but I'm not concerned with losing shootout wins when I've added John Tavares. And have the big three young forwards with another year of experience. I hypothesize that the Leafs will win more of those games in regulation this year.

In fact I'll make a bragging rights submission right now that the Leafs will have more ROW this season than last.

Because to be a contender you have to prove you are a contender. A team like Chicago has won multiple Cups and their core players are all still there. They had terrible goaltending because Crawford was injured. But they're a contender because they've proven they can win and/or contend. Same goes with the Penguins, the Capitals and the Kings. The Lightning, the Predators and the Jets have all gone deep in the playoffs multiple times.

The Leafs have not proven anything yet. They could finish #1 in the standings next year and if they lose in the 1st round, what have they done? So until they can prove it, you can't pencil them in as a top five contender. The Leafs are a playoff team, of that we can all be pretty sure but after that, whether or not they can compete in the playoffs, that needs to be proven before we can say they are a legit contender or not.
- Unholy_Goalie

Vegas odds say otherwise.

Because to be a contender you have to prove you are a contender. A team like Chicago has won multiple Cups and their core players are all still there. They had terrible goaltending because Crawford was injured. But they're a contender because they've proven they can win and/or contend. Same goes with the Penguins, the Capitals and the Kings. The Lightning, the Predators and the Jets have all gone deep in the playoffs multiple times.

The Leafs have not proven anything yet. They could finish #1 in the standings next year and if they lose in the 1st round, what have they done? So until they can prove it, you can't pencil them in as a top five contender. The Leafs are a playoff team, of that we can all be pretty sure but after that, whether or not they can compete in the playoffs, that needs to be proven before we can say they are a legit contender or not.
- Unholy_Goalie

Season GP W L OTL Pts GF GA Finish Playoffs
2013–14 82 37 35 10 84 227 237 7th, Central Did not qualify
2014–15 82 43 26 13 99 230 210 5th, Central Lost in First Round, 0–4 (Ducks)
2015–16 82 35 39 8 78 215 239 7th, Central Did not qualify
2016–17 82 40 35 7 87 249 256 5th, Central Did not qualify
2017–18 82 52 20 10 114 277 218 2nd, Central Lost in conference Finals, 1–4 (Golden Knights)

Vegas has the Leafs as a contender.

Who knows more, UG, or the sportsbooks in Vegas?
- Aetherial

https://imgur.com/wsgfkkB

I like Bozak as a player but I'm not concerned with losing shootout wins when I've added John Tavares. And have the big three young forwards with another year of experience. I hypothesize that the Leafs will win more of those games in regulation this year.

In fact I'll make a bragging rights submission right now that the Leafs will have more ROW this season than last.
- Zezel

You wont be saying that when the Leafs are in game 7 of a playoff series and it goes to a shootout.

Defense still sucks.

They are not easily a top 5 team, not yet.
- Unholy_Goalie

Name 5 better teams than the Leafs.

Tampa Bay, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Washington.

Then Vegas, Chicago (with healthy Crawford), Boston, Minnesota, Los Angeles, Anaheim and San Jose are all close in the same territory.
- Unholy_Goalie

2018-19 STANLEY CUP ODDS

Team Odds
Toronto Maple Leafs +700
Tampa Bay Lightning +900
Boston Bruins +950
Nashville Predators +1100
Vegas Golden Knights +1100
Washington Capitals +1200
Pittsburgh Penguins +1200
Winnipeg Jets +1400
San Jose Sharks +2200
Edmonton Oilers +2500
Philadelphia Flyers +2500
Los Angeles Kings +2500
St. Louis Blues +2500
Minnesota Wild +2600
Anaheim Ducks +2800
Dallas Stars +2800
Calgary Flames +2800
Columbus Blue Jackets +3000
Chicago Blackhawks +3000
New Jersey Devils +3500
Colorado Avalanche +3500
Florida Panthers +4000
Montreal Canadiens +6600
New York Rangers +6600
Detroit Red Wings +6600
Carolina Hurricanes +7000
Vancouver Canucks +7000
New York Islanders +8000
Buffalo Sabres +8000
Arizona Coyotes +8000
Ottawa Senators +15000

Defense still sucks.

They are not easily a top 5 team, not yet.
- Unholy_Goalie

Name 5 better teams than the Leafs.




2018-19 STANLEY CUP ODDS

Team Odds
Toronto Maple Leafs +700
Tampa Bay Lightning +900
Boston Bruins +950
Nashville Predators +1100
Vegas Golden Knights +1100
Washington Capitals +1200
Pittsburgh Penguins +1200
Winnipeg Jets +1400
San Jose Sharks +2200
Edmonton Oilers +2500
Philadelphia Flyers +2500
Los Angeles Kings +2500
St. Louis Blues +2500
Minnesota Wild +2600
Anaheim Ducks +2800
Dallas Stars +2800
Calgary Flames +2800
Columbus Blue Jackets +3000
Chicago Blackhawks +3000
New Jersey Devils +3500
Colorado Avalanche +3500
Florida Panthers +4000
Montreal Canadiens +6600
New York Rangers +6600
Detroit Red Wings +6600
Carolina Hurricanes +7000
Vancouver Canucks +7000
New York Islanders +8000
Buffalo Sabres +8000
Arizona Coyotes +8000
Ottawa Senators +15000
- justmike

the odds on florida and columbus are interesting

Defense still sucks.

They are not easily a top 5 team, not yet.
- Unholy_Goalie

Name 5 better teams than the Leafs.




2018-19 STANLEY CUP ODDS

Team Odds
Toronto Maple Leafs +700
Tampa Bay Lightning +900
Boston Bruins +950
Nashville Predators +1100
Vegas Golden Knights +1100
Washington Capitals +1200
Pittsburgh Penguins +1200
Winnipeg Jets +1400
San Jose Sharks +2200
Edmonton Oilers +2500
Philadelphia Flyers +2500
Los Angeles Kings +2500
St. Louis Blues +2500
Minnesota Wild +2600
Anaheim Ducks +2800
Dallas Stars +2800
Calgary Flames +2800
Columbus Blue Jackets +3000
Chicago Blackhawks +3000
New Jersey Devils +3500
Colorado Avalanche +3500
Florida Panthers +4000
Montreal Canadiens +6600
New York Rangers +6600
Detroit Red Wings +6600
Carolina Hurricanes +7000
Vancouver Canucks +7000
New York Islanders +8000
Buffalo Sabres +8000
Arizona Coyotes +8000
Ottawa Senators +15000
- justmike

- Aetherial

(frank) spatso!

- Aetherial

Leicester in '16...

Defense still sucks.

They are not easily a top 5 team, not yet.
- Unholy_Goalie

Name 5 better teams than the Leafs.




2018-19 STANLEY CUP ODDS

Team Odds
Toronto Maple Leafs +700
Tampa Bay Lightning +900
Boston Bruins +950
Nashville Predators +1100
Vegas Golden Knights +1100
Washington Capitals +1200
Pittsburgh Penguins +1200
Winnipeg Jets +1400
San Jose Sharks +2200
Edmonton Oilers +2500
Philadelphia Flyers +2500
Los Angeles Kings +2500
St. Louis Blues +2500
Minnesota Wild +2600
Anaheim Ducks +2800
Dallas Stars +2800
Calgary Flames +2800
Columbus Blue Jackets +3000
Chicago Blackhawks +3000
New Jersey Devils +3500
Colorado Avalanche +3500
Florida Panthers +4000
Montreal Canadiens +6600
New York Rangers +6600
Detroit Red Wings +6600
Carolina Hurricanes +7000
Vancouver Canucks +7000
New York Islanders +8000
Buffalo Sabres +8000
Arizona Coyotes +8000
Ottawa Senators +15000
- justmike

what do these numbers mean? lol

I get that lower is better, but how are they implemented in a gambling pov?

weak.

You cannot, by definition, use hindsight to label a contender.

Vegas has the Leafs as the favourite because they expect lots of money on the Leafs.

Why? Because lot's of people think they are going to win. Those people believe the Leafs are a contender.

To state that they are not, is simply you getting off on fighting with everyone.

You are wrong. I won't have more to say on the subject.
- Aetherial

The odds of UG ever being right is low. I'd like to see those betting odds in Vegas... His success rate of being right is lower the EK's success rate of calling trades/signings, and that is saying something.

what do these numbers mean? lol

I get that lower is better, but how are they implemented in a gambling pov?
- Feeling Glucky?

You bet $100 to win the amount on that list!

(frank) spatso!
- .OHOH.

He's already (frank)ed

Defense still sucks.

They are not easily a top 5 team, not yet.
- Unholy_Goalie

Name 5 better teams than the Leafs.




2018-19 STANLEY CUP ODDS

Team Odds
Toronto Maple Leafs +700
Tampa Bay Lightning +900
Boston Bruins +950
Nashville Predators +1100
Vegas Golden Knights +1100
Washington Capitals +1200
Pittsburgh Penguins +1200
Winnipeg Jets +1400
San Jose Sharks +2200
Edmonton Oilers +2500
Philadelphia Flyers +2500
Los Angeles Kings +2500
St. Louis Blues +2500
Minnesota Wild +2600
Anaheim Ducks +2800
Dallas Stars +2800
Calgary Flames +2800
Columbus Blue Jackets +3000
Chicago Blackhawks +3000
New Jersey Devils +3500
Colorado Avalanche +3500
Florida Panthers +4000
Montreal Canadiens +6600
New York Rangers +6600
Detroit Red Wings +6600
Carolina Hurricanes +7000
Vancouver Canucks +7000
New York Islanders +8000
Buffalo Sabres +8000
Arizona Coyotes +8000
Ottawa Senators +15000
- justmike

Yeah but

Season GP W L OTL Pts GF GA Finish Playoffs
2013–14 82 37 35 10 84 227 237 7th, Central Did not qualify
2014–15 82 43 26 13 99 230 210 5th, Central Lost in First Round, 0–4 (Ducks)
2015–16 82 35 39 8 78 215 239 7th, Central Did not qualify
2016–17 82 40 35 7 87 249 256 5th, Central Did not qualify
2017–18 82 52 20 10 114 277 218 2nd, Central Lost in conference Finals, 1–4 (Golden Knights)



- plantheparade

#UGenius at its finest

Because to be a contender you have to prove you are a contender. A team like Chicago has won multiple Cups and their core players are all still there. They had terrible goaltending because Crawford was injured. But they're a contender because they've proven they can win and/or contend. Same goes with the Penguins, the Capitals and the Kings. The Lightning, the Predators and the Jets have all gone deep in the playoffs multiple times.

The Leafs have not proven anything yet. They could finish #1 in the standings next year and if they lose in the 1st round, what have they done? So until they can prove it, you can't pencil them in as a top five contender. The Leafs are a playoff team, of that we can all be pretty sure but after that, whether or not they can compete in the playoffs, that needs to be proven before we can say they are a legit contender or not.
- Unholy_Goalie

The Jets had one long playoff run... Talk about consistency

The Jets are a good play at that price. The Sens odds arr hilarious

Dp glfg

The Jets are a good play at that price. The Sens odds are hilarious.
- Zezel

The TOilers look pretty out of place up that high, but I guess they do have McDavid.