If Vasilevskiy is better - why did he give up more goals?
- BorjeFan4Ever

I don't think he did.

Now I don't have the actual numbers here but.

Vasilevsky has a slightly better save percentage and made slightly less saves than Andersen.... logic dictates he gave up less goals no.... while receiving less shots...?

WHAT AM I MISSING?

I don't think he did.

Now I don't have the actual numbers here but.

Vasilevsky has a slightly better save percentage and made slightly less saves than Andersen.... logic dictates he gave up less goals no.... while receiving less shots...?

WHAT AM I MISSING?
- Scabeh

math

Andersen GA 182

V 167 GA

No ifs allowed. Can't say the Leafs are better with Tavares because he's played 0 games. Just using your logic here, no surprise it falls apart though.
- Unholy_Goalie

Dude, Karlsson is currently not employed by Tampa bay. Tavares is currently employed by the Leafs.

This isn't the same "if" at all.

You're better than this UG.

Funny how the Leafs *have* to trade Nylander because Cap reasons, but Tampa can sign anybody to any amount and they’re fine.
- Steven_Seagull

taxes AND CanadianTire money...

that's why!

it is not just about the Taxes

If Vasilevskiy is better - why did he give up more goals?
- BorjeFan4Ever

A) He didn't. (Andersen gave up the 2nd most goals against last year)

B) You're really going to suggest Andersen is better than Vasilevskiy?

math
- Symba007

Dude, Karlsson is currently not employed by Tampa bay. Tavares is currently employed by the Leafs.

This isn't the same "if" at all.

You're better than this UG.
- Scabeh

No he isn’t.

taxes AND CanadianTire money...

that's why!

it is not just about the Taxes
- BorjeFan4Ever

i got it! canadian tire money isn't taxed.


#taxloophole

Dude, Karlsson is currently not employed by Tampa bay. Tavares is currently employed by the Leafs.

This isn't the same "if" at all.

You're better than this UG.
- Scabeh

no he/she really isn't... this all the makings of one of those epic circular arguments... where the positioning "on page 63 is the complete reverse of 52" and so on...

i got it! canadian tire money isn't taxed.


#taxloophole
- Tumbleweed

#Dubasisa(frank)inggenius

i got it! canadian tire money isn't taxed.


#taxloophole
- Tumbleweed

damn... is that true? is so - big - I mean BIG.

what about Aeroplan miles?

Signing Kucherov has no impact on Karlsson. They already said as much. It actually makes it more certain on how their cap situation looks moving forward. The money Stralman, Girardi and Coburn make would cover Karlsson's salary. They have to move a contract or two but it's nothing they can't do.
- Unholy_Goalie

No impact?

Does Tampa get a bonus on the salary cap, because they don't pay taxes?

Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergached and Vasilievskiy need to get paid. Not to mention; Point or Palat...

Sucks that we have to trade Nylander and/or Marner to get Tavares..

Dude, Karlsson is currently not employed by Tampa bay. Tavares is currently employed by the Leafs.

This isn't the same "if" at all.

You're better than this UG.
- Scabeh

The whole scenario is predicated upon the fact that Karlsson joins Tampa Bay. Because you know damn well that even if they do, there will still be Leafs fans convinced the Leafs are the better team.

no he/she really isn't... this all the makings of one of those epic circular arguments... where the positioning "on page 63 is the complete reverse of 52" and so on...



- BorjeFan4Ever

But Vasilevskiy gave up more goals than Andersen, right?

#Dubasisa(frank)inggenius
- Symba007

he's going to have so many tires

he's going to have so many tires
- Tumbleweed

and new wipers.....never have enough of those

No impact?

Does Tampa get a bonus on the salary cap, because they don't pay taxes?

Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergached and Vasilievskiy need to get paid. Not to mention; Point or Palat...

Sucks that we have to trade Nylander and/or Marner to get Tavares..
- PatC80

Stralman, Girardi, Coburn are gone next year. That money alone pays for Karlsson's extension.

Trading one or more of Callahan, Killorn or Johnson pays for Kucherov's extension.

I never said Nylander had to be traded to afford Tavares. I said signing Tavares allows the Leafs to trade Nylander to improve the defense without losing offense.

damn... is that true? is so - big - I mean BIG.

what about Aeroplan miles?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Add in some Scene points... Linked to a ScotiaBank credit card... Unlimited movies for Tavares in Toronto.

That's how you beat the tax situation... You give them free movies with unlimited Scene points.

damn... is that true? is so - big - I mean BIG.

what about Aeroplan miles?
- BorjeFan4Ever

dubas agreed to let tavares put all team flights on his credit card. he's going to be racking up the miles.

Stralman, Girardi, Coburn are gone next year. That money alone pays for Karlsson's extension.

Trading one or more of Callahan, Killorn or Johnson pays for Kucherov's extension.

I never said Nylander had to be traded to afford Tavares. I said signing Tavares allows the Leafs to trade Nylander to improve the defense without losing offense.
- Unholy_Goalie

Nylander and a 1st for Petry and a turd

A) He didn't. (Andersen gave up the 2nd most goals against last year)

B) You're really going to suggest Andersen is better than Vasilevskiy?


- Unholy_Goalie

I'm not suggesting anything... other than you may be suffering from mold/mould in your environment.
Andersen better? Vasilevskiy better? not sure to be honest - I personally don't see much difference... but I clearly don't have the insight that you do.

Vasilevskiy plays behind a vastly better defense according to you and many others. I don't know if that is or isn't a factor.

All I know is that Vasilevskiy pays less taxes... so maybe he's less distracted during games.

and new wipers.....never have enough of those
- Symba007

The whole scenario is predicated upon the fact that Karlsson joins Tampa Bay. Because you know damn well that even if they do, there will still be Leafs fans convinced the Leafs are the better team.
- Unholy_Goalie

Can't blame fans for believing in their team or liking their team on paper to be just as good or similar to Tampa.

You can rub it in their face if Tampa ends up having more success, in the meantime, every single person is entitled to their opinion on the matter.

It's not like the Leafs would be that far away, IF they were to be considered a lesser team than Tampa. It's not a ridiculous analogy to suggest they are going to compete for 1st place in the east.

Just type "agree to disagree" and move on. I know you can do it!

#Scabeh4Refin2019

Stralman, Girardi, Coburn are gone next year. That money alone pays for Karlsson's extension.

Trading one or more of Callahan, Killorn or Johnson pays for Kucherov's extension.

I never said Nylander had to be traded to afford Tavares. I said signing Tavares allows the Leafs to trade Nylander to improve the defense without losing offense.
- Unholy_Goalie

Is Tampa really better if they have to trade Sergachev, Point, Cal Foote and Tyler Johnson for Erik Karlsson?

9 games gets the clock ticking. so we would have used the slide for his 1st two years if we kept it under.

i get what you're saying, but it seems a little too much in the weeds for me.

i take the philosphies:
- reward your top players (don't Richard them around)
- pay your top players the most
- sign young players long-term when you have a young team
- bridge young players when you have a veteran team.
- Tumbleweed

Okay but that could potentially cost more if Nylander gets an 8 year deal because you're buying years of his UFA eligibility.