Really pathetic this team can't even eat salary at this point.
- david22

I think its more to do with Callahan, Johnson, Palat, and Kilorn, Coburn, and Stralman all have NTCs and I would bet they wouldnt be willing to waive to go to Ottawa. They wont move JT Miller after just signing him to an extension.

Hard to absorb salary when the Tampa camp dump candidates can block that

I think its more to do with Callahan, Johnson, Palat, and Kilorn, Coburn, and Stralman all have NTCs and I would bet they wouldnt be willing to waive to go to Ottawa. They wont move JT Miller after just signing him to an extension.

Hard to absorb salary when the Tampa camp dump candidates can block that
- DDM-Coga

True, Speaking of, I found a gif that I think encaptulates your actions in these threads this past few months.



EDIT:

If all these ownership rumors are true, I am starting to think it's the new ownership group who have instructed Melnyk/Dorion to trade Karlsson.

Here's a few reasons why it makes sense:

1. If they buy the team THEN trade Karlsson, they will be starting in a very poor place with the fans and the city. If they, instead, come in AFTER he's traded, they can look like the saviours. They can easily spin it that they days of cheap ownership are over, and they will be able to mitigate the loss of Karlsson with clever statements and marketing. Trading him after the buy the team isn't exactly the best strategy to sell tickets.

2. Generally, when new ownership comes in, they want as little money committed as possible. They want to negotiate their own deals with players. This would probably explain why we haven't heard anything about negotiations with Stone/Duchene/Ceci.

3. The ONLY way Melnyk can come back from the damage he has done is to resign Karlsson long-term. If he trades him, he really can't come back as owner. The building will be empty.. and I mean EMPTY. The feeling of fans in this city are that he's a cheap owner who is robbing his fans. No one is going to want to give him a dime after that trade. If Melnyk really wanted to be owner forever and pass it along to his daughter (as he always says), then he would give EK a blank cheque.

I honestly think an ownership change is going to happen this summer. The thing that may be holding it up is the trade of Karlsson.

Other GM's aren't dumb. They are low balling the Sens for this exact reason. I all of what I said is true, that means the Sens are negotiating from an extremely weak spot.. and the others are trying to exploit it.

I know it's just a theory, but it would explain pretty much all the weirdness and secrecy around what is happening (including why they aren't negotiating with our other pending free agents).

I know there is a lot of noise about stripping the payroll for a potential buyer, but the Sens cannot afford to lose a franchise player while trying to fill seats at the CTC in order to help finance the new downtown arena as well as woo a new potential buyer/partner.

This will turn into a Tavares scenario, where Karlsson plays the year and either signs or walks.

If they have a better year, are competitive or are bought by a new ownership group, I bet EK65 signs long term.

True, Speaking of, I found a gif that I think encaptulates your actions in these threads this past few months.



EDIT:



- david22

I want to make that mp4 into a gif to work, its perfect

Thing is, if EK has said he won't resign here, the Sens front office would have put it out there.

Is the ONLY way they can save face. If EK simply doesn't want to sign, then it will be harder for the fans to blame ownership.

I don't think that letting that out would affect his trade value. I mean everyone already knows he's on the block. Letting people know that he doesn't want to come back (if true) doesn't change anything.

This is why I think he DOES want to come back, but whoever is in control, wants him gone.

I've heard that the 'offer' he was given wasn't even true. The 80M offer wasn't even an offer - as in, it didn't actually happen.

Your scouting abilities are well documented.

Puljarvi>Matthews
- Feeling Glucky?

listen. we need to wait and see if hughes can handle older/bigger players.

just because he played on the U18 usndt as a 16 year-old and scored at the same rate at matthews doen't make him good. that u18 team only plays some (not all) of it's games against ncaa teams made up of 19-23 year olds.

If all these ownership rumors are true, I am starting to think it's the new ownership group who have instructed Melnyk/Dorion to trade Karlsson.

Here's a few reasons why it makes sense:

1. If they buy the team THEN trade Karlsson, they will be starting in a very poor place with the fans and the city. If they, instead, come in AFTER he's traded, they can look like the saviours. They can easily spin it that they days of cheap ownership are over, and they will be able to mitigate the loss of Karlsson with clever statements and marketing. Trading him after the buy the team isn't exactly the best strategy to sell tickets.

2. Generally, when new ownership comes in, they want as little money committed as possible. They want to negotiate their own deals with players. This would probably explain why we haven't heard anything about negotiations with Stone/Duchene/Ceci.

3. The ONLY way Melnyk can come back from the damage he has done is to resign Karlsson long-term. If he trades him, he really can't come back as owner. The building will be empty.. and I mean EMPTY. The feeling of fans in this city are that he's a cheap owner who is robbing his fans. No one is going to want to give him a dime after that trade. If Melnyk really wanted to be owner forever and pass it along to his daughter (as he always says), then he would give EK a blank cheque.

I honestly think an ownership change is going to happen this summer. The thing that may be holding it up is the trade of Karlsson.

Other GM's aren't dumb. They are low balling the Sens for this exact reason. I all of what I said is true, that means the Sens are negotiating from an extremely weak spot.. and the others are trying to exploit it.

I know it's just a theory, but it would explain pretty much all the weirdness and secrecy around what is happening (including why they aren't negotiating with our other pending free agents).
- Charliebox

WHile it makes sense for the other GMs to exploit this situation, it would also make sense for another team to break away from the group, so to speak. Yes it's in their interest to keep low balling the Sens, but then you bear the risk that another team may up their offer and get Karlsson.

I want to make that mp4 into a gif to work, its perfect
- DDM-Coga

Right?

I want to make that mp4 into a gif to work, its perfect
- DDM-Coga

If all these ownership rumors are true, I am starting to think it's the new ownership group who have instructed Melnyk/Dorion to trade Karlsson.

Here's a few reasons why it makes sense:

1. If they buy the team THEN trade Karlsson, they will be starting in a very poor place with the fans and the city. If they, instead, come in AFTER he's traded, they can look like the saviours. They can easily spin it that they days of cheap ownership are over, and they will be able to mitigate the loss of Karlsson with clever statements and marketing. Trading him after the buy the team isn't exactly the best strategy to sell tickets.

2. Generally, when new ownership comes in, they want as little money committed as possible. They want to negotiate their own deals with players. This would probably explain why we haven't heard anything about negotiations with Stone/Duchene/Ceci.

3. The ONLY way Melnyk can come back from the damage he has done is to resign Karlsson long-term. If he trades him, he really can't come back as owner. The building will be empty.. and I mean EMPTY. The feeling of fans in this city are that he's a cheap owner who is robbing his fans. No one is going to want to give him a dime after that trade. If Melnyk really wanted to be owner forever and pass it along to his daughter (as he always says), then he would give EK a blank cheque.

I honestly think an ownership change is going to happen this summer. The thing that may be holding it up is the trade of Karlsson.

Other GM's aren't dumb. They are low balling the Sens for this exact reason. I all of what I said is true, that means the Sens are negotiating from an extremely weak spot.. and the others are trying to exploit it.

I know it's just a theory, but it would explain pretty much all the weirdness and secrecy around what is happening (including why they aren't negotiating with our other pending free agents).
- Charliebox

Most of your assumptions are probably correct.

But nobody is low balling offers at this time. The difficult problem is finding a mix that works. If Tampa does Foote and two other prospects it is a good deal. Yzerman can make it very good for Dorion a bunch of different ways. Other teams probably need to do a three way to find a similar offer. I think this deal with Tampa is being delayed purely by off ice issues and I think the problem is at the Ottawa end and it has to do with ownership guidelines....but...when it comes to Melnyk who knows what will happen next?

listen. we need to wait and see if hughes can handle older/bigger players.

just because he played on the U18 usndt as a 16 year-old and scored at the same rate at matthews doen't make him good. that u18 team only plays some (not all) of it's games against ncaa teams made up of 19-23 year olds.
- Tumbleweed

Don't be silly. Matthews had the size to translate.

I dare you to point to a single USNDPT player under 6 feet to make a difference at the NHL level, or contribute in any way to a cup win or 3.

WHile it makes sense for the other GMs to exploit this situation, it would also make sense for another team to break away from the group, so to speak. Yes it's in their interest to keep low balling the Sens, but then you bear the risk that another team may up their offer and get Karlsson.
- david22

Totally agree. And that's why it's good Dorion is staying patient.

The only issue is that if there is an ownership change in the future and they want him gone, there is going to be a 'drop dead' date where he needs to be traded by. If other GMs know this, they may continue to give crappy offers.

It's really like a giant game of chicken.

I think its more to do with Callahan, Johnson, Palat, and Kilorn, Coburn, and Stralman all have NTCs and I would bet they wouldnt be willing to waive to go to Ottawa. They wont move JT Miller after just signing him to an extension.

Hard to absorb salary when the Tampa camp dump candidates can block that
- DDM-Coga

Sadly no, they would not waive to go to Ottawa. They would likely not want to waive to go anywhere. They are on the team that has the best chance already, especially if they land Karlsson (and don't give up Kucherov).

Thing is, if EK has said he won't resign here, the Sens front office would have put it out there.

...

Is the ONLY way they can save face. If EK simply doesn't want to sign, then it will be harder for the fans to blame ownership.


- Charliebox

Why would they put that out there. It only gives their potential trading partners even more leverage. I am sure people suspect he won't resign, but admitting it doesn't help!

Most of your assumptions are probably correct.

But nobody is low balling offers at this time. The difficult problem is finding a mix that works. If Tampa does Foote and two other prospects it is a good deal. Yzerman can make it very good for Dorion a bunch of different ways. Other teams probably need to do a three way to find a similar offer. I think this deal with Tampa is being delayed purely by off ice issues and I think the problem is at the Ottawa end and it has to do with ownership guidelines....but...when it comes to Melnyk who knows what will happen next?
- spatso

Are you serious? I mean we can only go on rumors at this point, but based on those, all the offers have been low balls.

According to reports, the Stars are not willing to give up Heskonen, and Vegas isn't willing to give up Glass. If you want the best defenseman in the world, those should be obvious starting points. And much, much more should be included.

Now no one really knows what Tampa is offering so I can't judge there, but based on the others, they are clearly lowballs.

pierre dorion retire female dog

Are you serious? I mean we can only go on rumors at this point, but based on those, all the offers have been low balls.

According to reports, the Stars are not willing to give up Heskonen, and Vegas isn't willing to give up Glass. If you want the best defenseman in the world, those should be obvious starting points. And much, much more should be included.

Now no one really knows what Tampa is offering so I can't judge there, but based on the others, they are clearly lowballs.
- Charliebox

karlsson with a guaranteed 8 year extension is very different than karlsson for 1 year. stars and vegas should give up those players if it extension is on the table.

if not, no chance.

karlsson with a guaranteed 8 year extension is very different than karlsson for 1 year. stars and vegas should give up those players if it extension is on the table.

if not, no chance.
- Tumbleweed

I think Karlsson re-signs long-term. Melnyk will sell the team to a group that has Daniel Alfredson as part of it!

I don't think the Senators are as bad as people and so called "experts" are making them out to be. I see them sneaking in as a wild card team.

Projecting the defense without Karlsson should also project the likelihood of a top four defensemen coming back in return.

Also, although I like the potential of Pyatt, White, Paajarvi, I think the coach needs to tap into White's offensive talent by somehow moving him onto one of the top two lines, at least for the first 25 games or so. How that trickles down to the rest of the forwards is anyone's guess.

I think Karlsson re-signs long-term. Melnyk will sell the team to a group that has Daniel Alfredson as part of it!

I don't think the Senators are as bad as people and so called "experts" are making them out to be. I see them sneaking in as a wild card team.
- TheUltimateJet

lol

listen. we need to wait and see if hughes can handle older/bigger players.

just because he played on the U18 usndt as a 16 year-old and scored at the same rate at matthews doen't make him good. that u18 team only plays some (not all) of it's games against ncaa teams made up of 19-23 year olds.
- Tumbleweed

We have to consider it.

karlsson with a guaranteed 8 year extension is very different than karlsson for 1 year. stars and vegas should give up those players if it extension is on the table.

if not, no chance.
- Tumbleweed

those players, and more, go regardless.....and you add conditional draft picks if the extension is in question.

even one year of karlsson is worth more than one elite prospect

I think Karlsson re-signs long-term. Melnyk will sell the team to a group that has Daniel Alfredson as part of it!

I don't think the Senators are as bad as people and so called "experts" are making them out to be. I see them sneaking in as a wild card team.
- TheUltimateJet

spatso?

I think Karlsson re-signs long-term. Melnyk will sell the team to a group that has Daniel Alfredson as part of it!

I don't think the Senators are as bad as people and so called "experts" are making them out to be. I see them sneaking in as a wild card team.
- TheUltimateJet

Which teams in the east are they going to beat?