I am hungover.

Anyone manage to catch any of the Development Camp?
- DuranDuran

Same

Scrimmage is going on right now 1-1 right now. Dube and Bobby Mcmann with the goals

Gonna be 5 25 x 5

Same

Scrimmage is going on right now 1-1 right now. Dube and Bobby Mcmann with the goals
- jessehub

Can you give a little update?

Can you give a little update?
- DuranDuran

Went to the scrimmage. Great game to watch. Valimaki and Dube were absolute beasts. Every shift they hit the ice they looked better than everyone else. Valimaki looked almost a little bored and made a few mistakes trying to be too cute but when he wanted to make something happen he did. Vision on the ice was ridiculous. Dube controlled the ice each shift and made those around him dangerous, scored a pretty goal and had a few good chances.Phillips looked really good playing along side Dube but still wonder about his size holding him back. But the talent is definitely there.

Outside of those 3 some had their moments but all in all were average. Polluck had a pretty good scrimmage as well. Have to say though I was pretty disappointed in Foo, Really didn't stand out almost at all. Considering he's an older player and has had a little taste of the NHL I really thought he would atleast look above the rest but really kinda blended in.


Goalies played pretty well. All were good in the shootout, not many goals scored. But nobody stood on their heads by any means.

Gonna be 5 25 x 5
- Jkuzzi

Meh if the rumor is true he was aking for 5 x 5 I doubt he gets more in Calgary. BT is a pretty slick negotiater with RFA's.

Big difference in how you negotiate. Treliving is a master at getting these guys to buy in to the greater good (potential Cup) by leaving meat on the table to build a complete team. Results of team have fallen short but his contracts have been great. In Carolina they havent experienced that, they have been ground down by ownership. Also keep in mind Flames are a cap team so it's easier to sell the greater good argument. These kids never experienced that in their time in Carolina. Maybe your new owner will change being a budget team but he sounds like a very hands on grinder for first impressions. But dont be surprised if both kids come in on 6 year deals at under what you thought. Both have the ability to come in & really fit well & take steps forward with their games. Its a gamble with these contracts to know how much future value to pay versus getting value.
- Kevin R

So Treliving is a master at reminding players if they aren't in the NHL, they have zero potential chance of winning the cup?

So Treliving is a master at reminding players if they aren't in the NHL, they have zero potential chance of winning the cup?
- Confidenceking77

Not sure whose alt this isbjt F off!

Big difference in how you negotiate. Treliving is a master at getting these guys to buy in to the greater good (potential Cup) by leaving meat on the table to build a complete team. Results of team have fallen short but his contracts have been great. In Carolina they havent experienced that, they have been ground down by ownership. Also keep in mind Flames are a cap team so it's easier to sell the greater good argument. These kids never experienced that in their time in Carolina. Maybe your new owner will change being a budget team but he sounds like a very hands on grinder for first impressions. But dont be surprised if both kids come in on 6 year deals at under what you thought. Both have the ability to come in & really fit well & take steps forward with their games. Its a gamble with these contracts to know how much future value to pay versus getting value.
- Kevin R

I loves me some meat

Big difference in how you negotiate. Treliving is a master at getting these guys to buy in to the greater good (potential Cup) by leaving meat on the table to build a complete team. Results of team have fallen short but his contracts have been great. In Carolina they havent experienced that, they have been ground down by ownership. Also keep in mind Flames are a cap team so it's easier to sell the greater good argument. These kids never experienced that in their time in Carolina. Maybe your new owner will change being a budget team but he sounds like a very hands on grinder for first impressions. But dont be surprised if both kids come in on 6 year deals at under what you thought. Both have the ability to come in & really fit well & take steps forward with their games. Its a gamble with these contracts to know how much future value to pay versus getting value.
- Kevin R

Complete team still have no goaltending and took a step back on defense.

Complete team still have no goaltending and took a step back on defense.
- annoyance__101

Who did you guys sign again?
Then Flames will be better this year, which generally is a positive thing. Its always nice having the Canucks bottom feed, keeps the city intact.

Who did you guys sign again?
Then Flames will be better this year, which generally is a positive thing. Its always nice having the Canucks bottom feed, keeps the city intact.
- geta02it

The Flames will miss the playoffs again. Even Brian Burke couldn't wait to jump ship

Thanks for an blog on a Saturday!

I imagine most of the fanbase is too drunk to read it.

I am hoping we can get both him and Hanafin at around 4.5.
- DuranDuran

Ya too drunk, that's why they can't read.

The Flames will miss the playoffs again. Even Brian Burke couldn't wait to jump ship
- annoyance__101

Weakest trolling we’ve had in some time. I hope you’re here to stay

Weakest trolling we’ve had in some time. I hope you’re here to stay
- fry

I just couldn't feed it, the effort was so poor. Like a fat kid in a candy store... not worth the energy.

Missed the point, lots of teams had more points but he sells on what he is building & his vision & how important fair but cap friendly contracts can build a contender. Fck sakes, the Carolina owner met with Lindholm, his agent & the GM told the kid he's not worth anything close of what he's asking & take it or leave it.
- Kevin R

Yeah, because he's not.

The new strategy in Carolina is to pay top dollar for top end talent, and do your best to develop it, but for guys that are middle of the pack? Budget.

Dundon has said the one thing he realized quickly coming in as an outsider is that there are a LOT of guys all around the same level who have widely differing values for no logical reason. The goal is to identify guys that have been undervalued by the market and avoid guys who cost $1 or 2 million more than they should because of their name.

Yeah, because he's not.

The new strategy in Carolina is to pay top dollar for top end talent, and do your best to develop it, but for guys that are middle of the pack? Budget.

Dundon has said the one thing he realized quickly coming in as an outsider is that there are a LOT of guys all around the same level who have widely differing values for no logical reason. The goal is to identify guys that have been undervalued by the market and avoid guys who cost $1 or 2 million more than they should because of their name.
- BINGO!

Good line of thinking, problem is, it's still a hit miss when you are dealing with that young of former lottery picks. "Any" player taken in the top 5 has or should have very high ceilings. Sometimes you have to pay for some of that ceiling that hasnt been reached yet. So it's a risk, but there is a reason both of them were 5th over all picks.
I can think of some other analogies but I think you know what I mean.

Good line of thinking, problem is, it's still a hit miss when you are dealing with that young of former lottery picks. "Any" player taken in the top 5 has or should have very high ceilings. Sometimes you have to pay for some of that ceiling that hasnt been reached yet. So it's a risk, but there is a reason both of them were 5th over all picks.
I can think of some other analogies but I think you know what I mean.
- Kevin R

You're at it again? You're the only person who cares where they were drafted. It makes a heck of a lot more sense to base your evaluation of a player off of how he's played against NHL talent than it does to base it on how he played as a teenager mostly against players who'll never even come close to being professional hockey players.

Paying Lindholm what he thinks he worth is a risk, a risk I think is worth taking, because he hasn't really done enough to earn that contract.

You're at it again? You're the only person who cares where they were drafted. It makes a heck of a lot more sense to base your evaluation of a player off of how he's played against NHL talent than it does to base it on how he played as a teenager mostly against players who'll never even come close to being professional hockey players.

Paying Lindholm what he thinks he worth is a risk, a risk I think is worth taking, because he hasn't really done enough to earn that contract.
- Hunkulese

If you think draft pedigree has nothing to do with contracts, you’re fooling yourself. I agree in part that things should be about what they’ve accomplished to date. Bit that draft pedigree speaks to potential. Any agent worth his spit would count that.
I’m not sure that argument, however would work so great in Lindholms favour since the guy picked right after him is a goal scoring machine and has been since year 1. Their arebither plenty of other examples that would likely hurt his value. Then there are guys like Bennett that may help his arguement being a former 4th OA pick.

If you think draft pedigree has nothing to do with contracts, you’re fooling yourself. I agree in part that things should be about what they’ve accomplished to date. Bit that draft pedigree speaks to potential. Any agent worth his spit would count that.
I’m not sure that argument, however would work so great in Lindholms favour since the guy picked right after him is a goal scoring machine and has been since year 1. Their arebither plenty of other examples that would likely hurt his value. Then there are guys like Bennett that may help his arguement being a former 4th OA pick.
- TandA4Flames

I can guarantee you that NHL GMs put zero stock in what someone's potential was when they were 18. Treliving cares about what Lindholm's potential is at 23.

I really don't even understand what kind of argument an agent would try and use to say a player is worth more because he was really good as a teenager. Bennett needs a new contract next year. The fact that he was an amazing junior player will have nothing to do with his contract. If he has a great year, he'll get paid. If he has another year like he's had the past 3, he won't be getting much of a raise if he gets one at all.

I can guarantee you that NHL GMs put zero stock in what someone's potential was when they were 18. Treliving cares about what Lindholm's potential is at 23.

I really don't even understand what kind of argument an agent would try and use to say a player is worth more because he was really good as a teenager. Bennett needs a new contract next year. The fact that he was an amazing junior player will have nothing to do with his contract. If he has a great year, he'll get paid. If he has another year like he's had the past 3, he won't be getting much of a raise if he gets one at all.
- Hunkulese

Really? What NHL team do you GM for?

I can 100% guarantee you have no idea what a GM puts stock in.
When a player has surpassed 300ish games, sure, draft stock starts to disappear. But until then, it still matters.

Really? What NHL team do you GM for?

I can 100% guarantee you have no idea what a GM puts stock in.
When a player has surpassed 300ish games, sure, draft stock starts to disappear. But until then, it still matters.
- TandA4Flames

300ish games? Lindholm's played in 374. You really think Treliving cares at all what he did as a teenager in Sweden?

If draft position is so important, why wasn't Bennett locked up for 6 years at six million when they had the chance? Why is Gaudreau paid more than Monahan if Monahan had more potential as a teenager? The only thing that matters is what you do in the NHL.

Look you stupid fcking mutt! I am going to repeat this one last time, try reading for understanding. A TOP 5 PICK IS PERCEIVED TO HAVE MUCH HIGHER CEILINGS WHEN THEY ARE DRAFTED! With me so far? They are rarely traded, the picks are rarely traded & when they are, they get significant returns. A top 5 pick usually jumps quicker from junior to pro league at the age of 18-19, where even later in the 1st rounds take longer to develop. All I said was GM's tend to pay for some of the potential on these kids, simply because, their ceilings are potentially higher & the cost could go up substantially should they break out during a bridge term. What's so hard to understand about that?
- Kevin R

Everybody have a beer and settle down

Everybody have a beer and settle down
- Squilliam-

Its breakfast but I like you and will take your advice.

To change the topic....whom should play with Bennett and Janko? With a decent RW what goal totals would be realistic out of those 2?

Really? What NHL team do you GM for?

I can 100% guarantee you have no idea what a GM puts stock in.
When a player has surpassed 300ish games, sure, draft stock starts to disappear. But until then, it still matters.
- TandA4Flames

NYI

Its breakfast but I like you and will take your advice.

To change the topic....whom should play with Bennett and Janko? With a decent RW what goal totals would be realistic out of those 2?
- DuranDuran

Pour it in your cereal.