Most around here expected improvement or to remain as competitive. I predicted regression, but not to that extent.
- wreckage

Sometimes you have to let the pendulum swing. wings went through that I’m the late 80s and early 90s.

Nice attempt at an ad homenim against something that wasn't at all smug. Care to address my point or will you continue to engage as a child would?
- MaximumBone

They all have flaws, but as many as Edmonton ?

Aside from an excellent 1-2punch at Center we can’t really call any area of our team a strength.

They all have flaws, but as many as Edmonton ?

Aside from an excellent 1-2punch at Center we can’t really call any area of our team a strength.
- ChuckSchuldiner

They have a surplus of #3 dmen.

Calm your tits new guy.

And in response to your post in the last thread, Snow was removed as GM but is still employed by the Islanders. He wasn’t fired from the organization sadly.
- Wildschwein

Wrong.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports...s-fire-coach-gm-1.4692587

They have a surplus of #3 dmen.
- wreckage

Nurse for Kronwall and the taint sweat of Lidstroms old jock. Problem solved.

A lot of analysts did too. Did they not have a clue as well? The team underachieved, they probably would have made the playoffs had Talbot been better and Sekera and Klefbom weren't injured. Cup contenders? I don't think so, but they were highly touted for a reason.
- Oilers4Life14

Fuk the analysts. There’s only a couple that have any clue. They rode the oilers dik last year cause they were the sexy pick after the run the year before. Never bothered to identify the plethora of question marks and possible issues with depending on so much linear development.

Those same idiots picked the oilers (more than once) to make the playoffs a couple years into the hall/ebs/yaks years too. Cause again, they were the sexy pick. And again, never bothered to see the huge holes and issues.

So yes, most of them are idiots

“The oilers woulda been better had 3 or 4 of their core played better >solid analysis bro

They didn’t have a clue. As you do not. Many of us here said they were not close to contenders.

So fuk off idiot.
- Iggysbff

I actually texted into Oilers Now after Bob Stauffer said that the texts are saved and said that the Oilers weren't going to make the playoffs. This was in like march.

I actually texted into Oilers Now after Bob Stauffer said that the texts are saved and said that the Oilers weren't going to make the playoffs. This was in like march.


- Oilers4Life14

But what did you text on April 27, 2017?

I actually texted into Oilers Now after Bob Stauffer said that the texts are saved and said that the Oilers weren't going to make the playoffs. This was in like march.


- Oilers4Life14

show us the other text you coward

March?
The Oilers were pretty well out of it in January , Nostradamus.

I would like to go back and read some of the nonsense posted in here last June.
- ChuckSchuldiner

Read the year.

Edit: God you know how bad this makes me look? Now you really look like my alt

show us the other text you coward
- DDM-Coga

I was trying to sext him okay!

Read the year.
- Oilers4Life14

(frank) off

I was trying to sext him okay!
- Oilers4Life14

Jero is Bob stauffer?

Jero is Bob stauffer?
- DDM-Coga

E5

Fuk the analysts. There’s only a couple that have any clue. They rode the oilers dik last year cause they were the sexy pick after the run the year before. Never bothered to identify the plethora of question marks and possible issues with depending on so much linear development.

Those same idiots picked the oilers (more than once) to make the playoffs a couple years into the hall/ebs/yaks years too. Cause again, they were the sexy pick. And again, never bothered to see the huge holes and issues.

So yes, most of them are idiots

“The oilers woulda been better had 3 or 4 of their core played better” - solid analysis bro
- HB77

I'm not a big fan of many analysts. Heavy emphasis on the anal part. But to be fair they're a lot more knowledgeable than anyone here on hockeybuzz when it comes to hockey.

Like I said above, I knew that season was overachieving. The only reason they made the playoffs was that everything went right. Only one player in their top 6 missed a game and that was Maroon in game 82. Talbot actually played well, Klefbom broke out etc.

Bolded: They still could have been in the hunt for a wildcard spot without the subtraction of Eberle though. Just got unlucky with injuries.

show us the other text you coward
- DDM-Coga

Some guy was understating how (frank)ing hot it was in Ottawa that day Nothing interesting.

Some guy was understating how (frank)ing hot it was in Ottawa that day Nothing interesting.
- Oilers4Life14

But what did you text them on the 30th of June? Haha okay, I stop now.

But what did you text them on the 30th of June? Haha okay, I stop now.
- DutchSenators

It was a very valid question:

"If a bad team such as Vancouver or Detroit (sorry Yman) were to offer sheet Draisaitl over 10 million, would you match that or take 4 1sts"

Marginal? You have Kris Russell playing meaningful minutes. Case close

You have no idea how good Girard and aren't giving enough credit to Zadorov. Be Better
- DDM-Coga

To preface, I've clearly stated that this discussion was healthy left side Vs healthy left side so there can be no discussion of whether or not each player will be healthy or whether they'll bounce back or not. We're operating on the established levels of play for each Dman.

When played apart from Zadorov, both Johnson and Barrie saw an improvement in virtually every statistic that's predictive of results (HDSCs, FF%, GF%, etc)- Barrie running the pairing that was likely getting more favourable matchups and Johnson running the shutdown pairing. This being common among both pairings leads me to believe one of two things: 1.) Bednar used Zads as his primary shutdown Dman (unlikely with Johnson in the lineup) and thus he always sees harder competition or 2.) Zads is not yet at the point where he can drive goal-ratio results as a shutdown/defense-first guy (I settle on this one).

I want to restate that Zadorov is a solid young Dman that's being molded into a shutdown guy but he's not there yet by any measure and certainly not a superior Dman to Nurse. I'd argue he's worse.

Girard is an effective young bottom pairing guy that was tried higher in the line-up near the end of the season (evidenced by his increase in ice time) and seemed to adapt well after some struggles. He didn't produce particularly impressive results during that stretch run but he held his own which is impressive as a teenager. I'm not suggesting he can't be better or even that he won't be better; just that his PROVEN level of ability is that of an effective bottom pairing Dman that, given his age and trajectory, is likely to take over a 2nd pairing spot within 2 years.

Avs management adding Cole and paying him what they did is a testament to the fact that they're not yet ready to give him that spot- and for good reason. Dmen are tough to predict early in their careers so it's always wiser to acquire insurance. He could step up and take that role from Cole this year and he could just as easily struggle mightily and fade as MANY sophomore offensive Dmen do. So to count him as even in the same realm as a healthy Klefbom- even with his evident struggles last year- is laughable.

As for Cole, he's an effective secondary competition, shutdown guy that I'd wager would fare well with Barrie. He's overmatched against top opposition but he can handle being the man back on a pairing. I'd label him a great #5 Dman that can fill-in up the lineup. In comparison with a healthy Sekera, he falls short. In comparison to the husk of Sekera we got last year, he's miles ahead.

Aside from the fact that Russell often plays the right side and thus was factored as a right-side D for my projections, I'll address your mention of him. His lack of effectiveness is WAY overstated. He's an effective defender that positively influences goals against rates when not overmatched against top opposition. The problem with him is that he's paid too much for too long and that he also has a negative impact on goals for when he's on the ice. He's a niche player that's being played outside of that niche (thanks McLellan).

To preface, I've clearly stated that this discussion was healthy left side Vs healthy left side so there can be no discussion of whether or not each player will be healthy or whether they'll bounce back or not. We're operating on the established levels of play for each Dman.

When played apart from Zadorov, both Johnson and Barrie saw an improvement in virtually every statistic that's predictive of results (HDSCs, FF%, GF%, etc)- Barrie running the pairing that was likely getting more favourable matchups and Johnson running the shutdown pairing. This being common among both pairings leads me to believe one of two things: 1.) Bednar used Zads as his primary shutdown Dman (unlikely with Johnson in the lineup) and thus he always sees harder competition or 2.) Zads is not yet at the point where he can drive goal-ratio results as a shutdown/defense-first guy (I settle on this one).

I want to restate that Zadorov is a solid young Dman that's being molded into a shutdown guy but he's not there yet by any measure and certainly not a superior Dman to Nurse. I'd argue he's worse.

Girard is an effective young bottom pairing guy that was tried higher in the line-up near the end of the season (evidenced by his increase in ice time) and seemed to adapt well after some struggles. He didn't produce particularly impressive results during that stretch run but he held his own which is impressive as a teenager. I'm not suggesting he can't be better or even that he won't be better; just that his PROVEN level of ability is that of an effective bottom pairing Dman that, given his age and trajectory, is likely to take over a 2nd pairing spot within 2 years.

Avs management adding Cole and paying him what they did is a testament to the fact that they're not yet ready to give him that spot- and for good reason. Dmen are tough to predict early in their careers so it's always wiser to acquire insurance. He could step up and take that role from Cole this year and he could just as easily struggle mightily and fade as MANY sophomore offensive Dmen do. So to count him as even in the same realm as a healthy Klefbom- even with his evident struggles last year- is laughable.

As for Cole, he's an effective secondary competition, shutdown guy that I'd wager would fare well with Barrie. He's overmatched against top opposition but he can handle being the man back on a pairing. I'd label him a great #5 Dman that can fill-in up the lineup. In comparison with a healthy Sekera, he falls short. In comparison to the husk of Sekera we got last year, he's miles ahead.

Aside from the fact that Russell often plays the right side and thus was factored as a right-side D for my projections, I'll address your mention of him. His lack of effectiveness is WAY overstated. He's an effective defender that positively influences goals against rates when not overmatched against top opposition. The problem with him is that he's paid too much for too long and that he also has a negative impact on goals for when he's on the ice. He's a niche player that's being played outside of that niche (thanks McLellan).
- MaximumBone

holy (frank)ing paragraph.

To preface, I've clearly stated that this discussion was healthy left side Vs healthy left side so there can be no discussion of whether or not each player will be healthy or whether they'll bounce back or not. We're operating on the established levels of play for each Dman.

When played apart from Zadorov, both Johnson and Barrie saw an improvement in virtually every statistic that's predictive of results (HDSCs, FF%, GF%, etc)- Barrie running the pairing that was likely getting more favourable matchups and Johnson running the shutdown pairing. This being common among both pairings leads me to believe one of two things: 1.) Bednar used Zads as his primary shutdown Dman (unlikely with Johnson in the lineup) and thus he always sees harder competition or 2.) Zads is not yet at the point where he can drive goal-ratio results as a shutdown/defense-first guy (I settle on this one).

I want to restate that Zadorov is a solid young Dman that's being molded into a shutdown guy but he's not there yet by any measure and certainly not a superior Dman to Nurse. I'd argue he's worse.

Girard is an effective young bottom pairing guy that was tried higher in the line-up near the end of the season (evidenced by his increase in ice time) and seemed to adapt well after some struggles. He didn't produce particularly impressive results during that stretch run but he held his own which is impressive as a teenager. I'm not suggesting he can't be better or even that he won't be better; just that his PROVEN level of ability is that of an effective bottom pairing Dman that, given his age and trajectory, is likely to take over a 2nd pairing spot within 2 years.

Avs management adding Cole and paying him what they did is a testament to the fact that they're not yet ready to give him that spot- and for good reason. Dmen are tough to predict early in their careers so it's always wiser to acquire insurance. He could step up and take that role from Cole this year and he could just as easily struggle mightily and fade as MANY sophomore offensive Dmen do. So to count him as even in the same realm as a healthy Klefbom- even with his evident struggles last year- is laughable.

As for Cole, he's an effective secondary competition, shutdown guy that I'd wager would fare well with Barrie. He's overmatched against top opposition but he can handle being the man back on a pairing. I'd label him a great #5 Dman that can fill-in up the lineup. In comparison with a healthy Sekera, he falls short. In comparison to the husk of Sekera we got last year, he's miles ahead.

Aside from the fact that Russell often plays the right side and thus was factored as a right-side D for my projections, I'll address your mention of him. His lack of effectiveness is WAY overstated. He's an effective defender that positively influences goals against rates when not overmatched against top opposition. The problem with him is that he's paid too much for too long and that he also has a negative impact on goals for when he's on the ice. He's a niche player that's being played outside of that niche (thanks McLellan).
- MaximumBone

why dont you mention Girards controlled zone exits. Look at who was at the top in the league last year and then look who was next on that list. Dont sell my petite prince short of what he did at 19 years old.



and pssst Cole is depth insurance bc Zadorov and Nemeth might not be fully ready to start the year with their shoulder surgeries and will be slotted 5th on the depth chart on a healthy roster, but please go on telling me your analysis of why the Avs signed a guy like Cole.

You are trying to nerd your way in bashing my loveable Avs and then give your oilers benefits of the doubt with "if healthy" qualifiers. Well they weren't and neither were avs Dmen, so if you are going to do that game you have to compare apples to apples. I am not saying they are perfect world beaters but I would take my Top 5 over Edmontons Top 5 any day of the week

Did this whole thread turn goth

Did this whole thread turn goth
- Little Ricky

It turned to poop as soon as JB showed up. If he (frank)ed off it would be much better.

It turned to poop as soon as JB showed up. If he (frank)ed off it would be much better.
- leonkennedy

Lets be real here, I'm the heart and soul of these threads. I'm the reason why these threads are active. Freelancer, female dogboy Hendo and Ryan Gareth or whatever the (frank) his name is wouldn't be or have been making that sweet hockeybuzz dollar.