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Cup Crazy '07
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Jul 5 @ 11:51 AM ET
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Hearing similar rumblings on #TBLightning being eventual landing spot for Karlsson. Wouldn’t be surprised, though no guarantees with deal of this magnitude. Couple days ago the Stars were considered front runners, per @seanshapiro. TB could get a 3rd team involved to move salary.
Cup Crazy '07
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Joined: 11.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 11:51 AM ET
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Hearing similar rumblings on #TBLightning being eventual landing spot for Karlsson. Wouldn’t be surprised, though no guarantees with deal of this magnitude. Couple days ago the Stars were considered front runners, per @seanshapiro. TB could get a 3rd team involved to move salary.

- Cup Crazy '07


Anyone hear anything who a third team might be?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 5 @ 11:52 AM ET
Really? That's two first rounders (w/ the potential for a lottery pick)...a solid top 6/potentially top 4 d-man with more upside ahead of him (McCabe)...a forward with top 6 potential (Nylander)...a top 9 forward (Baptiste)...and an NHL-caliber bottom 6 forward (Girgs)

- 2 1sts
- 3 NHL starters who can plug in immediately
- 1 former 1st round pick with top 6 potential

That's a pretty damn fine return for one player who doesn't really want to re-sign with your team.

- feetontheair22


I'd give up literally any combination of stuff, except Eichel, Dahlin and Mittelstadt.

Reinhart, 2 1sts and McCabe/Borgen. But I'd need him to re-sign, and that seems incredibly unlikely
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:53 AM ET
That package gets laughed at.
- Powerslave

No it doesn't, it's good starting point.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 5 @ 11:54 AM ET
Anyone hear anything who a third team might be?
- Cup Crazy '07

Buffalo has Cap space and will take Johnson/Kucherov and Callahan for a 4th.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jul 5 @ 11:54 AM ET
not necessarily a winning team but a top 3 player in the league should not be there
- robz228


Whether is he traded or just becomes UFA at end of season he wont be there (for much longer).

That is always the thing with NHL contracts, you sign them you are stuck for better or worse. He got the worse, but good news is there is only 1 year left and he controls his future. He could say he is not willing to sign any extension and just let Ottawa lose out on everything (either lose to UFA or small trade return due to not willing to resign).

It is his turn to kick them if he wants to do so.
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:54 AM ET
Shea Weber, 5-6 month recovery. The Habs can choke on that contract.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jul 5 @ 11:55 AM ET
Anyone hear anything who a third team might be?
- Cup Crazy '07


The guy said COULD get involved. So it COULD be about half the league. Until something moves along further, nothing is known.
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:58 AM ET
Yeah he will cost Casey at least

He’s one of the top 5 wingers in the nhl

- gerbe75pts


And wingers aren’t worth what a center is.. as soon as Casey name is brought up the phone hangs up.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 5 @ 11:59 AM ET
Shea Weber, 5-6 month recovery. The Habs can choke on that contract.
- SABRES 89


Bergevin is lucky he speaks french. Who else could keep their job after doing what he's done?

Well, Chiarelli I guess. But who else?
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jul 5 @ 11:59 AM ET
Shea Weber, 5-6 month recovery. The Habs can choke on that contract.
- SABRES 89


I think every time I look at his contract I think something must be wrong. WHAT WAS NASHVILLE THINKING!

As a side note, if he does have to retire early or anything Nashville gets hit with cap issues being the team that offered that crazy deal to him. So not really Montreals issue there, but they did lose Subban for this dude. So they already lost, big!
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:59 AM ET
If Karlsson goes there the guy I would try to poach from TBL would be Stralman to play with Dahlin.

Dahlin-Stralman
Scandella-Risto
McCabe-Bogosian
Beaulieu and Nelson as extras.

Guhle and Pilut can dominate the AHL for half the season until they push McCabe out of a spot and then beualieu can be sent through waivers or traded for a bag of pucks.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 5 @ 12:00 PM ET
I think every time I look at his contract I think something must be wrong. WHAT WAS NASHVILLE THINKING!

As a side note, if he does have to retire early or anything Nashville gets hit with cap issues being the team that offered that crazy deal to him. So not really Montreals issue there, but they did lose Subban for this dude. So they already lost, big!

- Lilroot9


Philadelphia signed Weber to that contract. Nashville had to match because they had just lost Suter
Da_Cashman
Buffalo Sabres
Location: London, ON
Joined: 04.18.2011

Jul 5 @ 12:00 PM ET
So McCabe, Nylander, Girgs, Baptiste, and the earlier 2 of our 3 2019 1st rounders (earliest is lottery protected; becomes a non-lottery protected 2020 BUF 1st rounder)

Kinda steep....but Panarin on Eichel's wing is probably worth it.

- feetontheair22


Is it steep if planarian becomes Brett Hull potting oodles of goals?

I get that we should trade away the future becusae of gmtm’s follies, but I think we can all agree that planarian is the real deal.

Trading assets for a 2nd tier like skinner and hoping that Eichel can elevate him is one thing. Planarian has proven he has the goods.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
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Jul 5 @ 12:00 PM ET
Bergevin is lucky he speaks french. Who else could keep their job after doing what he's done?

Well, Chiarelli I guess. But who else?

- jcragcrumple


I was chatting with a friend about Chiarelli, can anyone name 1 thing good that he has ever done (drafted player x or won a specific trade)? I guess he won the cup with Boston, but not sure if any of his moves directly helped that.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jul 5 @ 12:01 PM ET
Philadelphia signed Weber to that contract. Nashville had to match because they had just lost Suter
- jcragcrumple


Oh interesting. So I wonder how that goes down then? Cause I guess they technically signed him to that deal, hmmm. Interesting. Penalized both! lol
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:02 PM ET
I would take Killorn off Tampa's hands.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 5 @ 12:02 PM ET
I was chatting with a friend about Chiarelli, can anyone name 1 thing good that he has ever done (drafted player x or won a specific trade)? I guess he won the cup with Boston, but not sure if any of his moves directly helped that.
- Lilroot9


He's traded Seguin, Hall and Eberle. Alll with disastrous results. Not to mention signing Lucic and giving up a package including a 1st for Griffin Reinhart. Yikes
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
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Jul 5 @ 12:03 PM ET
Oh interesting. So I wonder how that goes down then? Cause I guess they technically signed him to that deal, hmmm. Interesting. Penalized both! lol
- Lilroot9


No, it's Nashville's problem. Someone posted what happens if he retires in exactly 3 years. Nashville has like a $26 MILLION dollar cap recapture penalty

Edit:

Should Weber retire at any point prior to the conclusion of his contract in 2025-26, the Predators would be subsequently be imposed a cap recapture penalty equivalent to that amount divided by the number of years remaining on the contract. If Weber were to retire with just 1 season left on his deal, they would have to take the entire $24+MM penalty in 2025-26. If he were to retire with, say, four years remaining though, that total would be divided by 4, resulting in a cap recapture penalty of $6,142,857 in each of those years up until the conclusion of 2025-26.
sskkoo1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You are all Weirdos, NY
Joined: 06.06.2012

Jul 5 @ 12:06 PM ET
Shea Weber, 5-6 month recovery. The Habs can choke on that contract.
- SABRES 89



Waits til mid-summer to have a major knee surgery. He could have been 3 months into recovery by now. Looks like Montreal is all-in on the Hughes sweepstakes.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:08 PM ET
I would take Killorn off Tampa's hands.
- SABRES 89


To Tampa. - Karlsson, 2nd Rd Pick Buf, 6th rd pick Buf
To Ottawa - Pominville/Bogosian, Package from Tampa
To Buffalo - JT Miller, Anton Stralman, Salary Dump from Tampa
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:08 PM ET
Buffalo has Cap space and will take Johnson/Kucherov and Callahan for a 4th.
- ImThatGuy


I'd take Callahan and Boris Katchouk for someone like Bailey/Baptiste and a late pick (maybe Toronto's 6th) and send a salary to Ottawa if they need to hit the floor.
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 5 @ 12:09 PM ET
To Tampa. - Karlsson, 2nd Rd Pick Buf, 6th rd pick Buf
To Ottawa - Pominville/Bogosian, Package from Tampa
To Buffalo - JT Miller, Anton Stralman

- ImThatGuy


i mean cmon
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jul 5 @ 12:12 PM ET
He's traded Seguin, Hall and Eberle. Alll with disastrous results. Not to mention signing Lucic and giving up a package including a 1st for Griffin Reinhart. Yikes
- jcragcrumple


You know that first for Griffin was Barzal, right? And Griffen went in Expansion Draft to Vegas. Smooth.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 5 @ 12:12 PM ET
You know that first for Griffin was Barzal, right? And Griffen went in Expansion Draft to Vegas. Smooth.
- Lilroot9


Oh God, I did not know it became Barzal. Holy (frank)
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