I gotta say... Rowney getting a 3 year deal at 1mil is possibly the worst/strangest contract given out this summer.
- madmike71

I lolled hard at that one. Good for him though. A player like him getting that money is more than he ever probably expected to get.

The Islanders traded for Matt Martin and signed Lehner. Tavares must be regretting his decision

The Islanders traded for Matt Martin and signed Lehner. Tavares must be regretting his decision
- Rinosaur

Only paying Martin $1m and got him for free, not that bad.

My point exactly. I don't see a need to pay a premium to get him.

I'll take the two way center who scores 20-25 goals over the LW who will score a few more goals (as he wouldnt even play on the first PP unit) and costs more money.

The next question is, would you trade Maatta for him?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'm not trading Maatta unless Drouin and or Weber with money retained would be coming back to us as well. Without D coming back and Maatta leaving but who would be our D? We are already questioning JJ on the 3rd pairing I couldn't imagine how the d would be if he played in the top 4. Which I don't feel makes us better. Brassard has high trade value. Centers > Winger.

I'm not trading Maatta unless Drouin and or Weber with money retained would be coming back to us as well. Without D coming back and Maatta leaving but who would be our D? We are already questioning JJ on the 3rd pairing I couldn't imagine how the d would be if he played in the top 4. Which I don't feel makes us better. Brassard has high trade value. Centers > Winger.
- 123Kid

I'd rather have Maatta than Weber's 458974239592 year contract.

I'd rather have Maatta than Weber's 458974239592 year contract.
- j.boyd919

Yeah, even retaining salary wouldn't help that one. I think it would be interesting in the next CBA that another option for retaining salary on a player would be buying out a full year or two of a contract.

For example in the case of Weber. If MTL wanted to trade him but term is the issue, they could move him at his current hit and buy out the last two years of contract so the trading team only has him for five years instead of seven.

I'd rather have Maatta than Weber's 458974239592 year contract.
- j.boyd919

I see Weber as a 1st pairing/2nd pairing option to limit time on the ice for both him and Letang which would allow both in theory have less wear on their body. Which is the only reason I bring him up. No one else really makes any sense. Unless we had a 3 way trade for a D. I still think if we traded Brassard we would get more back though.

I see Weber as a 1st pairing/2nd pairing option to limit time on the ice for both him and Letang which would allow both in theory have less wear on their body. Which is the only reason I bring him up. No one else really makes any sense. Unless we had a 3 way trade for a D. I still think if we traded Brassard we would get more back though.
- 123Kid

Still sounds like an atrocious idea to me. He's signed until 2025-26. Let's not get into a habit of acquiring/handing out albatross contracts. We already gave one awful one this summer in JJ. I'd rather have a 26-30 year old Maatta for 4 years than a 33-41 year old Weber for 8 years.

De Haan to CAR.

Really seems like Faulk or TVR get traded soon.

Still sounds like an atrocious idea to me. He's signed until 2025-26. Let's not get into a habit of acquiring/handing out albatross contracts. We already gave one awful one this summer in JJ. I'd rather have a 26-30 year old Maatta for 4 years than a 33-41 year old Weber for 8 years.
- j.boyd919

Idk the way the league is going in 3 years 7 million is going to be midtier and if they retain some cap it could make it better. Weber plays strong defensively so as long as he doesn't get many concussions I can see him playing well up until 40. Also before his contract runs out we may have the opportunity to buy him out a cap penalty. So overall I saw him helping us the next 3-4 years which I see as our prime window to win another cup. Plus if you make a trade for Patches Weber (with cap retained and a conditional pick) and possibly more for Maatta and Brassard. Otherwise I don't see us trading Maatta if we are not bringing a Defenseman back. I could see us trade Brassard to Montreal though.

Idk the way the league is going in 3 years 7 million is going to be midtier and if they retain some cap it could make it better. Weber plays strong defensively so as long as he doesn't get many concussions I can see him playing well up until 40. Also before his contract runs out we may have the opportunity to buy him out a cap penalty. So overall I saw him helping us the next 3-4 years which I see as our prime window to win another cup. Plus if you make a trade for Patches Weber (with cap retained and a conditional pick) and possibly more for Maatta and Brassard. Otherwise I don't see us trading Maatta if we are not bringing a Defenseman back. I could see us trade Brassard to Montreal though.
- 123Kid

THIS

People around here acting like the cap is still 40 million

Maybe Brassard and Simon for Lehkonen and Pacioretty (cap retained) and a pick.

Idk the way the league is going in 3 years 7 million is going to be midtier and if they retain some cap it could make it better. Weber plays strong defensively so as long as he doesn't get many concussions I can see him playing well up until 40. Also before his contract runs out we may have the opportunity to buy him out a cap penalty. So overall I saw him helping us the next 3-4 years which I see as our prime window to win another cup. Plus if you make a trade for Patches Weber (with cap retained and a conditional pick) and possibly more for Maatta and Brassard. Otherwise I don't see us trading Maatta if we are not bringing a Defenseman back. I could see us trade Brassard to Montreal though.
- 123Kid

I'm so damn tired of the Johnson sucks drama. It's almost as bad as growing up to my mother watching days of our lives. Its gonna be the same dudes who say "I told you so" If hes good or bad. Such crybabies. Can only imagine how their boyfriends feel.
- nateca44

Hahahah so true

That's way to much. I'd rather keep Brass, Hags and the 1st.
- j.boyd919

Maybe a 1st RP too much which is considerable lol

So can people now look at what players have cost & say maybe the old man knew a little more than people on here?

I've no doubt he combed the FA well before the end of the season & had an idea of what the cost would be - after all, he Is a NHL GM (& Not some twit on the internet.

Those saying they preferred De Haan over Johnson, not sure how the cap works out there??

So can people now look a thing what players have cost & say maybe the old man knew a little more than people on here?

I've no doubt he combed the FA well before the end of the season & had an idea of what the cost would be - after all, he Is a NHL GM (& Not some twit on the internet.

Those saying they preferred De Haan over Johnson, not sure how the cap works out there??
- Aussiepenguin

Sort of agree. I think a lot of people’s issues with Johnson is analytics indicate he’s a bad player. But I think he has some upside and the risks isn’t terrible.

If we could do Maatta for Webber with some retained I would do it. But it depends on how you think Malkin/Crosby age. If it’s graceful into their late 30’s then cap flexibility to build around them will be important.

Sort of agree. I think a lot of people’s issues with Johnson is analytics indicate he’s a bad player. But I think he has some upside and the risks isn’t terrible.
- sditulli

I saw a numb nut hypothesising over Grabner for $1m which is just stupid. Grabner was never going to only get 1m.

I get discussing players & people using analytics, but wow, there's been some savage talk in here about what players JR 'should' have signed instead of Johnson.....

If we could do Maatta for Webber with some retained I would do it. But it depends on how you think Malkin/Crosby age. If it’s graceful into their late 30’s then cap flexibility to build around them will be important.
- sditulli

Doesn't the Preds cop most of the cap penalty if Weber doesn't fulfil his contract? Games a lot faster through 82 games, but he'd be real handy in the playoffs - uninjured.

Idk the way the league is going in 3 years 7 million is going to be midtier and if they retain some cap it could make it better. Weber plays strong defensively so as long as he doesn't get many concussions I can see him playing well up until 40. Also before his contract runs out we may have the opportunity to buy him out a cap penalty. So overall I saw him helping us the next 3-4 years which I see as our prime window to win another cup. Plus if you make a trade for Patches Weber (with cap retained and a conditional pick) and possibly more for Maatta and Brassard. Otherwise I don't see us trading Maatta if we are not bringing a Defenseman back. I could see us trade Brassard to Montreal though.
- 123Kid

Okay here lets try it out

2 top tiers at 11m = 22m

6 mid tiers at 7m = 42m

4 lower mid tiers at 4m= 16m

4 bridge deals at 3m = 12m

4 ELC deals at 1m = 4m

3 Plugs at 1m = 3m

So the cap needs to go up to 99m based on this.

From 14/15 to 18/19 the cap went from 69m to 79.5m. So 10.5m in 5 years.

So yeah the cap will be 100m any day now.

De Haan to CAR.

Really seems like Faulk or TVR get traded soon.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I would take TVR in a heartbeat. I think he's a highly underrated 3rd pairing dman.

De Haan’s contract is 4 years at 4.5 mil/year. I’d rather have him at that price than Ian cole.

De Haan’s contract is 4 years at 4.5 mil/year. I’d rather have him at that price than Ian cole.
- drummer829

I’d rather have him at 4 years at 4.5 than have JJ and Cullen.

I'm not trading Maatta unless Drouin and or Weber with money retained would be coming back to us as well. Without D coming back and Maatta leaving but who would be our D? We are already questioning JJ on the 3rd pairing I couldn't imagine how the d would be if he played in the top 4. Which I don't feel makes us better. Brassard has high trade value. Centers > Winger.
- 123Kid

If you can make a trade centered around Maata for Drouin or Weber I'd do it in a heartbeat. I don't think Bergevin would ever do it as it would essentially be him buying high and selling low on both guys.

I don't really care about the length of Weber's contract. His real salary drops to $3M when he is 36 and $1M for the final 3 years. If he is still playing then it would be really easy to move that to a cap floor team. Weber is a legit #1 D man, and the $7.8M cap hit isn't all that terrible when you start seeing all of the other top D men signing for 9,10,11 million per year.

I'd take this D group over any other in the league maybe excluding Nashville. They could just fit him under this year's cap, next year would be really difficult but at that point they could always trade Schultz in his expiring year.

Dumo-Letang
JJ-Weber
Oleksiak-Schultz