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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 3 @ 4:51 PM ET
Lovejoy was signed as a depth player and isnt even being paid 3 mil its hardly an overpayment. Its not like he was brought in with notions of him being a top 4 guy....
- Shampoo

Lovejoy sucks
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 3 @ 4:58 PM ET
Wrong.
- taleisyreXIII

nah
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 5:00 PM ET
There is a human element to running an organization that our blogger seems to miss the boat on. You cannot treat players...families and such like hockey cards that you discard the moment you are done with them(lose an ounce of value). Any organization that wants to act as our blogger suggests time and time again with players would have everyone lining the streets to leave the city. It's nice to sit here and look at graphs and charts and even watch games and play armchair gm. but I'll tell you right now, you cannot for one second treat players and their families like trash and dispose of them in the way ppl here sometimes discuss.

Not every signing works...not every player that is marginally better wants to play here...there is a ton going on that seem to escape our armchair gm analytic guru bs blogger. A few more positive blogs and some fun conversation about the team would be nice once and a while.

- taleisyreXIII


People are fired for being bad at their jobs in EVERY industry. What the (frank) makes hockey any different? That's an absurd way to think. Are you going to hire a bricklayer that lays bricks all uneven and awful just because he has a family to support? No, you're going to find someone who can actually do the job right. That's some god damn retarded logic right there.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 3 @ 5:13 PM ET
There is a human element to running an organization that our blogger seems to miss the boat on. You cannot treat players...families and such like hockey cards that you discard the moment you are done with them(lose an ounce of value). Any organization that wants to act as our blogger suggests time and time again with players would have everyone lining the streets to leave the city. It's nice to sit here and look at graphs and charts and even watch games and play armchair gm. but I'll tell you right now, you cannot for one second treat players and their families like trash and dispose of them in the way ppl here sometimes discuss.

Not every signing works...not every player that is marginally better wants to play here...there is a ton going on that seem to escape our armchair gm analytic guru bs blogger. A few more positive blogs and some fun conversation about the team would be nice once and a while.

- taleisyreXIII


Agreed

In Video games you can sign a Free Agent and 10 games into the season trade him for picks in the next draft

In theory, you could bench a guy indefinitely until he agrees to terminate his contract

You can churn your roster constantly, flipping guys without no trade clauses all around the country

You can do all these things in real life too, but if you did, you’d never get a FA to sign here, all your existing players would want iron clad no trades and the thought of them taking any kind of discount would be a fantasy

The environment would be toxic and it would likely end up in more losses than it would wins

For every “oh man, why didn’t we sign that guy to XXX dollars?” Well, maybe that guy didn’t want to come here, maybe the player had his own reasons for signing where he did

YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 3 @ 5:17 PM ET
More rumors of Paccioretty and Pittsburgh. I dont think that Brassard for Patches, 1 for 1, makes Pittsburgh better.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 3 @ 5:18 PM ET
This is honestly just getting comical.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 3 @ 5:20 PM ET
Make Hockey Buzz Great Again!
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 3 @ 5:23 PM ET
More rumors of Paccioretty and Pittsburgh. I dont think that Brassard for Patches, 1 for 1, makes Pittsburgh better.
- YouMeAndDupuis9


Yes, it does
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 3 @ 5:26 PM ET
More rumors of Paccioretty and Pittsburgh. I dont think that Brassard for Patches, 1 for 1, makes Pittsburgh better.
- YouMeAndDupuis9


What rumor did you see
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 3 @ 5:40 PM ET
What rumor did you see
- kfinl170



Dennis Bernstein
@DennisTFP
Rumblings remain over Max Pacioretty’s future with the Habs, as we’ve heard the Penguins have recently inquired about his availability.

Mindful of Pens cap situation, salary would need to go back in a potential deal
.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jul 3 @ 5:54 PM ET
Dennis Bernstein
@DennisTFP
Rumblings remain over Max Pacioretty’s future with the Habs, as we’ve heard the Penguins have recently inquired about his availability.

Mindful of Pens cap situation, salary would need to go back in a potential deal
.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


Brassard, hagelin, 1st? Doesn’t seem like much, but that’s the most I’d go. rather keep sprong and the other prospects than having pacs for just one year
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 3 @ 6:11 PM ET
How much does one make blogging for this site anyway?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 3 @ 6:16 PM ET
This is honestly just getting comical.
- Grinder47


Yeah.... I tend to agree.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 3 @ 6:25 PM ET
Brassard, hagelin, 1st? Doesn’t seem like much, but that’s the most I’d go. rather keep sprong and the other prospects than having pacs for just one year
- drummer829


Personally, I'd just keep Brass and play him at LW if that's what Patches cost. It's a sellers market for centers and the Habs don't have any. They're way more desperate for a C than we are for a LW. Brassard instantly becomes their #1.

At this point I'd keep Brassard and play him at C and LW depending on the need or game situation. I'd only move him if I felt I was getting the better end of a the deal.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 6:26 PM ET
Brassard, hagelin, 1st? Doesn’t seem like much, but that’s the most I’d go. rather keep sprong and the other prospects than having pacs for just one year
- drummer829


That's way to much. I'd rather keep Brass, Hags and the 1st.
nateca44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: butler, PA
Joined: 01.16.2008

Jul 3 @ 6:33 PM ET
I expect Jack Johnson to be something like Hainsey at first. Hopefully better. I'm fine with the money given ($3.25M) and not so much for the term.
- Barnaby36


I'm so damn tired of the Johnson sucks drama. It's almost as bad as growing up to my mother watching days of our lives. Its gonna be the same dudes who say "I told you so" If hes good or bad. Such crybabies. Can only imagine how their boyfriends feel.
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 3 @ 6:33 PM ET
That's way to much. I'd rather keep Brass, Hags and the 1st.
- j.boyd919


I agree with this, cost is too prohibitive
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jul 3 @ 7:00 PM ET
People commenting on an internet thread about nhl players sucking.

Well, they probably appreciate the attention & probably don't give 2 (frank)s.

People in every job can be deficient & keep their jobs. How many times has anyone complained about bad service? Well guess what, those employees that are giving that bad service are still employed to Do so, so their boss employs them for a reason - & it doesn't have to be explained to you or I.

DSP was playing in the AHL for the Rags if my memory serves. So should that organisation be fired? He played very well to win a Cup.

Carlson was getting paid with or without a Cup. The Caps chose to keep him dûe to what was available in my opinion. With or without a Cup. You can dispute that either way, but what were their choices? Market rates aren't cheap & the player fit their system. Some would call that a good signing. Orpik? Terrible contract when he signed? Caps have been consistently good without a Cup, now they have 1. Was that worth it?

I think playing for the Pens increases a players value more than a Cup. How many players leave the Pens to sign better contracts?
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jul 3 @ 7:05 PM ET
I'm so damn tired of the Johnson sucks drama. It's almost as bad as growing up to my mother watching days of our lives. Its gonna be the same dudes who say "I told you so" If hes good or bad. Such crybabies. Can only imagine how their boyfriends feel.
- nateca44




Some on here just berate players, I think they think it makes them look like they know something. It's classic.

I can't see Brassard finishing the season with the Pens unless injury hits us. Cup run or not, if a situation arises where JR is going to like it, I think he'll pull the trigger immediately. The better Brassard plays the more valuable he is. Hence getting C depth. The Same can probably said for She-man.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 3 @ 7:07 PM ET
Personally, I'd just keep Brass and play him at LW if that's what Patches cost. It's a sellers market for centers and the Habs don't have any. They're way more desperate for a C than we are for a LW. Brassard instantly becomes their #1.

At this point I'd keep Brassard and play him at C and LW depending on the need or game situation. I'd only move him if I felt I was getting the better end of a the deal.

- madmike71


My point exactly. I don't see a need to pay a premium to get him.

I'll take the two way center who scores 20-25 goals over the LW who will score a few more goals (as he wouldnt even play on the first PP unit) and costs more money.

The next question is, would you trade Maatta for him?

Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 3 @ 7:16 PM ET
Dennis Bernstein
@DennisTFP
Rumblings remain over Max Pacioretty’s future with the Habs, as we’ve heard the Penguins have recently inquired about his availability.

Mindful of Pens cap situation, salary would need to go back in a potential deal
.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


Who's this guy?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:19 PM ET
My point exactly. I don't see a need to pay a premium to get him.

I'll take the two way center who scores 20-25 goals over the LW who will score a few more goals (as he wouldnt even play on the first PP unit) and costs more money.

The next question is, would you trade Maatta for him?

- YouMeAndDupuis9


I think they'd riot in Montreal, but yes I'd do that. Honestly, I hate the thought of two high value UFA's walking for nothing.

powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Jul 3 @ 7:22 PM ET
I think they'd riot in Montreal, but yes I'd do that. Honestly, I hate the thought of two high value UFA's walking for nothing.
- madmike71


I agree.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jul 3 @ 7:23 PM ET
I think they'd riot in Montreal, but yes I'd do that. Honestly, I hate the thought of two high value UFA's walking for nothing.
- madmike71


JR has said previously when he makes a trade it is made with a plan that benefits the team for more than just that season. I doubt very much he trades for a rental unless it's with a rental. He may have enquires 6 months ago, it doesn't clarify when the enquiries were made.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 3 @ 7:25 PM ET
Leo’s a pretty good defensive forward, of course his analytics are lower blinding some due to him going up against the top players in the league almost every shift.

Need to use more then a graph to make a team.
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