Gonna love the biased responses after JJ shows how awful he is

Although i hope JJ proves everybody wrong and is a decent defenseman for the Penguins, his playoff performances are way to limited to say it's a strength of his. Fact remains he's never been out of the first round.
- cap1681

Also trying to combine 4 small samples into 1 slightly larger small sample to justify a signing when there are significantly larger samples of data that show he is bad is just plain ignorance.

Look man, I know you're trying to be positive that's a good stance to take, but you can't expect any kind of sports writer to not point out when a team has made a bad decision.
- Rinosaur

First, he's not a sports writer, he's a blogger.

Second, it's surprising that the fact that Johnson was at 57% D zone starts in CBUS has never been mentioned here to help contextualize stats.

He's not being a Tortorella guy at all. JR shouldn't have made any comments. Doesn't make me any less of a Pens fan, but he just shouldn't have. Now, could Torts have responded differently? LOL yeah, but still, he's right to be peeved for someone not in his organization to question his motives for decisions.
- Rinosaur

Ruth was asked a direct question about whether JJ being a healthy scratch down the stretch was a concern. What was he supposed to say?

Torts is a classless, insecure moron with a Napoleon complex.

Torts has no filter. One of the only things I like about the guy

First, he's not a sports writer, he's a blogger.

Second, it's surprising that the fact that Johnson was at 57% D zone starts in CBUS has never been mentioned here to help contextualize stats.
- hardnosed

1. He is a sports writer.

2. Wrong. The zone start stats from Hockey Reference are not valid. They ignore neutral zone starts and otf starts.

Anyone think it’s a bit of a waste of the organizations time and money having Sully and Gonchar watch hours of tape on a player? All they have to do is go to one of the thousands of links you guys post to see Johnson’s “advanced” statistics. Almost like these coaches don’t know that’s how you scout a player.
- Grinder47

No. Because everyone who looks at charts and graphs also watches the games.

Although i hope JJ proves everybody wrong and is a decent defenseman for the Penguins, his playoff performances are way to limited to say it's a strength of his. Fact remains he's never been out of the first round.
- cap1681

Phil Kessel would like to have a word with you...

Also trying to combine 4 small samples into 1 slightly larger small sample to justify a signing when there are significantly larger samples of data that show he is bad is just plain ignorance.
- Feds91Stammer

"Among all defenseman who logged at least 1,000 even-strength minutes, only 5 were better at completing an outlet pass from their defensive zone into the neutral zone: 73.5% of the time"

"Among all defenseman who logged at least 1,000 even-strength minutes, only 5 were better at completing an outlet pass from their defensive zone into the neutral zone: 73.5% of the time"
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yeah cool too bad he is one of the worst in defending the blue line or defending in his own zone.

Out of the 57 he ranks

57th in CF% RelTM (-3.17... Girardi is 56th at -2.81)
57th in FF% RelTM (-3.44... Orpik is 56th at -2.88)
57th in xGF% RelTM (-3.61... Orpik is 56th at -2.31)
57th in GF% RelTM (-6.05... Girardi is 56th at -3.84)

THE worst impact defender.

57 defensemen have played 10,000 minutes since 2007-08. Jack Johnson ranks

CF% 55th
rel CF% 57th
xGF% 54th
rel xGF% 57th

He brings offense...

5v5 pts/60 49th

It was just one bad year...

Keep defending the signing though

1. He is a sports writer.

- Feds91Stammer

He's not. Doesn't have press credentials, doesn't have access, and possesses 10th grade level writing skills.

2. Wrong. The zone start stats from Hockey Reference are not valid. They ignore neutral zone starts and otf starts.
- Feds91Stammer

It's not wrong, it's true. You could look it up. They might not tell the whole story (stats have a way of doing that), and you might not like the story it tells, but that's a different story. I mean, we used to hear that Marcel Goc was a third line center because his stats were skewed by D zone starts.

He's not. Doesn't have press credentials, doesn't have access, and possesses 10th grade level writing skills.



It's not wrong, it's true. You could look it up. They might not tell the whole story (stats have a way of doing that), and you might not like the story it tells, but that's a different story. I mean, we used to hear that Marcel Goc was a third line center because his stats were skewed by D zone starts.
- hardnosed

1. He writes about sports.

2. You are a mouth breather.

Yeah cool too bad he is one of the worst in defending the blue line or defending in his own zone.

Out of the 57 he ranks

57th in CF% RelTM (-3.17... Girardi is 56th at -2.81)
57th in FF% RelTM (-3.44... Orpik is 56th at -2.88)
57th in xGF% RelTM (-3.61... Orpik is 56th at -2.31)
57th in GF% RelTM (-6.05... Girardi is 56th at -3.84)

THE worst impact defender.

57 defensemen have played 10,000 minutes since 2007-08. Jack Johnson ranks

CF% 55th
rel CF% 57th
xGF% 54th
rel xGF% 57th

He brings offense...

5v5 pts/60 49th

It was just one bad year...

Keep defending the signing though
- Feds91Stammer

I hope, but not holding breath, that he pulls a Scuderi and comes into his own in early 30's.

73.5% outlet pass rate is pretty damn good when you consider how the Pens play. Hopefully the Pens can get back to being possession darlings so JJ doesn't have to play in own end alot haha

Yeah cool too bad he is one of the worst in defending the blue line or defending in his own zone.

Out of the 57 he ranks

57th in CF% RelTM (-3.17... Girardi is 56th at -2.81)
57th in FF% RelTM (-3.44... Orpik is 56th at -2.88)
57th in xGF% RelTM (-3.61... Orpik is 56th at -2.31)
57th in GF% RelTM (-6.05... Girardi is 56th at -3.84)

THE worst impact defender.

57 defensemen have played 10,000 minutes since 2007-08. Jack Johnson ranks

CF% 55th
rel CF% 57th
xGF% 54th
rel xGF% 57th

He brings offense...

5v5 pts/60 49th

It was just one bad year...

Keep defending the signing though
- Feds91Stammer

Being last among a pretty special group (guys who have forged long NHL careers while logging big minutes) doesn't make you "THE worst impact defender," it makes you either the tallest midget or the shortest giant, either of which is likely worth $3 mil a year in today's NHL.

1. He writes about sports.

2. You are a mouth breather.
- Feds91Stammer

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Being last among a pretty special group (guys who have forged long NHL careers while logging big minutes) doesn't make you "THE worst impact defender," it makes you either the tallest midget or the shortest giant, either of which is likely worth $3 mil a year in today's NHL.
- hardnosed

Yeah that's a great point. For as terrible as the guy is he's kept a long time regular spot in a position that only dresses 6 a night. Not alot of dmen in the history of the NHL can say they have had a long career like his so far... Actually most of the dmen in the history NHL can't say that.

"Among all defenseman who logged at least 1,000 even-strength minutes, only 5 were better at completing an outlet pass from their defensive zone into the neutral zone: 73.5% of the time"
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Get ready to be told that zone exits and getting the puck to a bevy of talented forwards quickly and accurately suddenly doesn't matter.

Ryan Wilson is nitpicking and is so bitter about the JJ signing that suddenly Tortorella is a good guy....the same coach that left Kessel off the USA roster.

Get a grip. It's getting ridiculous now Wilson. F Tortorella.
- Barnaby36

This ^^^
He's signed. Let's give him a chance.

What other defensemen are on this "of the 57 defensemen who've played at least..." list?

First, he's not a sports writer, he's a blogger.

Second, it's surprising that the fact that Johnson was at 57% D zone starts in CBUS has never been mentioned here to help contextualize stats.
- hardnosed

Good call.

I suspect that's why they are so sensitive.
- Emperor Filonius

Lol torts won a cup in tampa

Yeah that's a great point. For as terrible as the guy is he's kept a long time regular spot in a position that only dresses 6 a night. Not alot of dmen in the history of the NHL can say they have had a long career like his so far... Actually most of the dmen in the history NHL can't say that.
- MattStrat

Well, and it comes down to usage. If a guy like Girardi or Orpik or Johnson is getting 24 minutes a night, your team could probably do better. If they're getting 18 or so, they can be veteran assets to your team, and JJ's salary is much more reasonable (half) than those other two guys, for a guy whose skating isn't an issue as he ages.

What other defensemen are on this "of the 57 defensemen who've played at least..." list?
- MattStrat

You can filter it on Corsica but trust me it is a list of fairly bad D men.

Russell, Gorges, Schenn, Nick Schultz, Alzner, Streit, Bieksa, Orpik, Girardi, Coburn, Daley, Hainsey, Phaneuf, Polak, Carle, Jackman, Gilbert, etc.

Yeah that's a great point. For as terrible as the guy is he's kept a long time regular spot in a position that only dresses 6 a night. Not alot of dmen in the history of the NHL can say they have had a long career like his so far... Actually most of the dmen in the history NHL can't say that.
- MattStrat

That tells you more about the incompetence of GMs than it does the quality of the player imo.

Lol torts won a cup in tampa
- Thunder_daddy

Any coach could have won a cup with that team, Dave Anderychuk was the real leader