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drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jul 1 @ 12:48 PM ET
Cole was a healthy scratch and got 4.25
- jchst22


I’d take cole at that money over JJ at 3.25
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Jul 1 @ 12:48 PM ET
There'll be cap hit free CBA buyout periods before then...
- MattStrat


After the next lockout
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 1 @ 12:48 PM ET
I think Kadri’s better then Brassard...but I don’t think JT / Matthews as good as Sid/Gene IMO nor do the Leafs have the D to go far in the PO’s.....yet.
- Garnie

I agree 100% on the Kadri take
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 1 @ 12:54 PM ET
The analytics group must be going absolutely fooking bonkers today haha

Beagle 4 years 3m per
Roussel 4 years 3.25m per
Vanek 1 year 3m
Ryan 3 years 3.2m per
Reaves 2 years 2.775m per
Johnson 5 years 3.25m per
Grabner 3 years 3.35m per
Polak 1 year 1.3m

Take it for what it is... And if you look at the most respected insiders most of those guys had 3-6 offers on the table. Even John chayka is in on a couple of those!

- pens4life-66

Chayka is in on exactly one of these - it’s Grabner. Chayka also has a team with all the cap space in the world (for now) where he needs a couple puzzle pieces to compete. Maybe he’s done with just getting Grabner, wouldn’t surprise me seeing as how they have a ton of young, talented players
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 1 @ 12:56 PM ET
Cole was a healthy scratch and got 4.25
- jchst22

That’s a coaching issue - not a player issue. Cole had a great season (relative to his cap hit)
JJ was also healthy scratched in lieu of Cole soooooo
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 1 @ 1:01 PM ET
I like your confidence because I too believe it to be true... Also like seeing semi to fully postive posts.

JJ isn't gonna make or break this team, either was moving Sheary to make room.

I don't think JJ can be any worse than he has anywhere else. I think with the Pens system and personnel, theres a chance we see a slight improvement in his stats... If only just in production.

- MattStrat


I don't really get all the drama over a 3mil player. It's not the way I would have spent those cap dollars, but people are acting like it will cripple this team. With a longer summer, the Pens are going to be one of the top teams in the conference.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 1 @ 1:01 PM ET
That’s a coaching issue - not a player issue. Cole had a great season (relative to his cap hit)
JJ was also healthy scratched in lieu of Cole soooooo

- WSCTeton17


Also excellent points hahah
pens4life-66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: BC
Joined: 10.01.2013

Jul 1 @ 1:03 PM ET
Chayka is in on exactly one of these - it’s Grabner. Chayka also has a team with all the cap space in the world (for now) where he needs a couple puzzle pieces to compete. Maybe he’s done with just getting Grabner, wouldn’t surprise me seeing as how they have a ton of young, talented players
- WSCTeton17


I didn’t make it clear but per dreger who most think is very respected he was in on 3 of them. Vanek, grabner and beagle. Sure he only got 1 of them but to think all those players only got 1 offer and signed it I’d bet isn’t true.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 1:12 PM ET
I'm still not seeing the JJ deal anywhere. I saw someone mention sportsnet, but nowhere else has. Are we still holding out hope?
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 1 @ 1:13 PM ET
I'm still not seeing the JJ deal anywhere. I saw someone mention sportsnet, but nowhere else has. Are we still holding out hope?
- Rinosaur


Hahaha I have entered the acceptance stage...
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:14 PM ET
I'm still not seeing the JJ deal anywhere. I saw someone mention sportsnet, but nowhere else has. Are we still holding out hope?
- Rinosaur


Darren Dreger
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
·
1h
Jack Johnson is going to Pittsburgh. No surprise
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 1:14 PM ET
Hahaha I have entered the acceptance stage...
- MattStrat


We can only hope he pulls a Trevor Daley
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 1:17 PM ET
Darren Dreger
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
·
1h
Jack Johnson is going to Pittsburgh. No surprise

- kfinl170


I must have glossed over that lol

Ok, well, moving on... Let's see what some have reported as "something else up his sleeve"
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:18 PM ET
We can only hope he pulls a Trevor Daley
- Rinosaur

I'm sure he'll be a lot better than what people believe atm...
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jul 1 @ 1:18 PM ET
I don't really get all the drama over a 3mil player. It's not the way I would have spent those cap dollars, but people are acting like it will cripple this team. With a longer summer, the Pens are going to be one of the top teams in the conference.
- madmike71



In Hollywood lore, cousin Oliver was the reason The Brady Bunch ended up being cancelled; now in Penguins lore, Jack Johnson will be the reason the Pens chances of winning the Cup will be forever cancelled.
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Jul 1 @ 1:18 PM ET
I disagree with you on many things Ryan but I do agree that JJ is not worth it. Hopefully it works out somehow but I think this may hurt the Pens really bad for a long time.
acpappas
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 08.24.2012

Jul 1 @ 1:21 PM ET
I don't really get all the drama over a 3mil player. It's not the way I would have spent those cap dollars, but people are acting like it will cripple this team. With a longer summer, the Pens are going to be one of the top teams in the conference.
- madmike71


Thank you!!!!

This team was a break or 2 away from going to the Eastern Conference finals. They have 2 of the best players in the world and by signing Johnson solidified their defense.

I really don't know why people are worried about the 5 years. There are always teams willing to take bad contracts of your hands
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 1:21 PM ET
I'm sure he'll be a lot better than what people believe atm...
- kaptaan


Well, I'm sure he probably won't, but I'll hope for the best.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 1 @ 1:23 PM ET
GOOD FOR REAVES!!! Nice to see players like this get rewarded. You can choose to be a whiny little female dog like our resident blogger but I’m happy when I see guys who give it everything get rewarded.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 1:24 PM ET
I'll tell you this, De Haan is gonna get PAID. I'm not happy about the JJ signing, but it's looking like the Pens would not have been able to get him. My get is he gets $6M per year.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:26 PM ET
Robert Thomas (the 1st round pick in 2017 the pens traded for reaves), has a legit chance of making the blues lineup and is one of their best prospects. Blues GM speaking highly about him.

That could have been our possible 3rd line center for the future
Ben_66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.12.2008

Jul 1 @ 1:28 PM ET
Matt Cullen?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 1 @ 1:28 PM ET
I disagree with you on many things Ryan but I do agree that JJ is not worth it. Hopefully it works out somehow but I think this may hurt the Pens really bad for a long time.
- PghPens668771


No 3 million dollar player has ever hurt a team "really bad for a long time".
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 1 @ 1:29 PM ET
I'll tell you this, De Haan is gonna get PAID. I'm not happy about the JJ signing, but it's looking like the Pens would not have been able to get him. My get is he gets $6M per year.
- Rinosaur

Likely. Green exceeded my expectations so at this point de Haan is gonna get over 6 mil.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:29 PM ET
Thank you!!!!

This team was a break or 2 away from going to the Eastern Conference finals. They have 2 of the best players in the world and by signing Johnson solidified their defense.

I really don't know why people are worried about the 5 years. There are always teams willing to take bad contracts of your hands

- acpappas


Teams are willing to take bad contracts, but it costs a lot to move them. In the pens case, it cost them a cheap 20+ goal scorer. Sheary could have easily been traded for solid dman or a higher draft pick
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