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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:26 PM ET
Sutter 4.375 3 years out
Beagle 3.25 3 years in

Savings 1 mil


Sutter to Ana for a first


Jim is a (frank)en genius
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:29 PM ET
DeHaan would be a nice addition, but would require too much term, never have liked any deals longer than 4 years.
I don't worry about how much a player makes, if they are a useful player is what matters most.

- Reubenkincade



We honestly don't need D

We have 8 and we have Hughes OJ Brisebous and Sautner very close to ready
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:30 PM ET
DeHaan would be a nice addition, but would require too much term, never have liked any deals longer than 4 years.
I don't worry about how much a player makes, if they are a useful player is what matters most.

- Reubenkincade

He's a 27 year old dman, 5 years wouldn't be as bad as giving 33 year old Beagle 3 years.


In a cap world, you have to care about how much a player makes.if the Canucks refuse to overpay for UFA's and end up losing out on their targets then so be it. Start calling up teams who want to unload bad contracts that are expiring either next summer or the summer after and acquire some picks/prospects for them.

It's 100 times better to get paid by another GM to take on an overpaid player than it is to sign your own overpaid player.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:31 PM ET
Sutter 4.375 3 years out
Beagle 3.25 3 years in

Savings 1 mil


Sutter to Ana for a first


Jim is a (frank)en genius

- VANTEL


And what if Sutter is still here by this time next year, do you change your tune or do you still like Beagle at 3x3?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:31 PM ET
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:32 PM ET
We honestly don't need D

We have 8 and we have Hughes OJ Brisebous and Sautner very close to ready

- VANTEL


I think you're overestimating the upside of Brisebois and Sautner, it's a win for the Canucks if they become solid 5/6 dmen.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:33 PM ET
And what if Sutter is still here by this time next year, do you change your tune or do you still like Beagle at 3x3?
- Nucker101



It will be okay , deep breaths


Maybe Jim is finally learning
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:34 PM ET
Sutter 4.375 3 years out
Beagle 3.25 3 years in

Savings 1 mil


Sutter to Ana for a first


Jim is a (frank)en genius

- VANTEL



Also


De Haan 4.5M over 4 or 5 years

Tanev for a 1st
MDZ for a 2nd or 3rd


Jim is a bigger genius
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:35 PM ET
I think you're overestimating the upside of Brisebois and Sautner, it's a win for the Canucks if they become solid 5/6 dmen.
- Nucker101



Not overestimating them at all

Hughes 1/2
OJ 3/4
Brisebois 5/6
Sautner 5/6
Woo 4/5
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 29 @ 8:35 PM ET
Rick Dhaliwal
@DhaliwalSports
Beagle update : #Canucks still in mix but price and term keeps going up and up because so many teams involved. Not done to Vancouver.



Tap out, Jim. Control yourself.

- Nucker101


Can you imagine if he added years.

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:35 PM ET
It will be okay , deep breaths


Maybe Jim is finally learning

- VANTEL

the fact we're saying this for a guy who's in his 5th off-season here and is 55 years old is kinda funny and sad
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:36 PM ET
Not overestimating them at all

Hughes 1/2
OJ 3/4
Brisebois 5/6
Sautner 5/6
Woo 4/5

- VANTEL


not really set on defense, especially considering that a decent amount of prospects never even become nhl regulars.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:37 PM ET
Also


De Haan 4.5M over 4 or 5 years

Tanev for a 1st
MDZ for a 2nd or 3rd


Jim is a bigger genius

- Nucker101



De haan Left side
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:38 PM ET
I think Don is over at HF now
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:40 PM ET
De haan Left side
- VANTEL


Isles fans say that he has played on the right side before and looked fine.


He's a legit top 4 dman in his prime, I'd rather spend money on him than bottom 6 players
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 8:40 PM ET
not really set on defense, especially considering that a decent amount of prospects never even become nhl regulars.
- Nucker101



Aside from Woo they are all LHD

Edler will be extended

MDZ out Hughes in at TDL


Hutton gone OJ in for 2019
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 29 @ 8:44 PM ET
We might be the minority, but handing a 33 year old UFA 4th line center, money + term, just seems very counter-intuitive to rebuilding. Meh, whatever will be will be.
- Codes1087


I'm going to riot if we don't sign someone to a 6x6 contract.

Anyone see the Don?
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jun 29 @ 8:45 PM ET
Doesn't sound like they're in on any dmen though. I like the idea of letting the overhyped bottom 6 players get paid by other GM's and instead focusing on the 2nd wave of UFA's for cheap to potentially use as sign and flips.

3M+ for Roussel, 2.5M+ for Beagle....


I don't know, personally I'd rather just sign 1 legit player instead like a De Haan or something and go penny pinching for depth with guys like Schaller/Calvert/Peca/Etc.

You end up spending close to the same too.

- Nucker101

mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jun 29 @ 8:57 PM ET
Not overestimating them at all

Hughes 1/2
OJ 3/4
Brisebois 5/6
Sautner 5/6
Woo 4/5

- VANTEL


I think future looks like:

Joulevi - XXXXX
Hughes - Woo
Tryamkin - Stecher

Then hopefully between Chatfield, Brisbois, Sautner, Utonen, Rathbone and McEneny you get a player or 2 who can be a good bottom pairing or 7th guy.

If there is anyway that we could do Tanev for Dobson just get it done. Toss in a 2nd if you need to as he would give us that big minute top pairing guy we need.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 9:01 PM ET
I think future looks like:

Joulevi - XXXXX
Hughes - Woo
Tryamkin - Stecher

Then hopefully between Chatfield, Brisbois, Sautner, Utonen, Rathbone and McEneny you get a player or 2 who can be a good bottom pairing or 7th guy.

If there is anyway that we could do Tanev for Dobson just get it done. Toss in a 2nd if you need to as he would give us that big minute top pairing guy we need.

- mauryballstein




Yeah I just don't see a need to go get a Dman with term . I think we can grow our own as you are suggesting. I think we can tread water this year with the current D and start weaning them out one at time and keep drafting more

We can draft our Dobson next year
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:16 PM ET
Yeah I just don't see a need to go get a Dman with term . I think we can grow our own as you are suggesting. I think we can tread water this year with the current D and start weaning them out one at time and keep drafting more

We can draft our Dobson next year

- VANTEL

If we could add a da haan then deal tanev i am all for it.. at this point there is no top pairing RHD in the next draft. Could always get lucky like the canes and find one later on.

Also, why I hope tavares goes to NYI maybe that would force them to moving someone out for immediate help. Sven and Tanev to NYI for Dobson and a cap dump not named ladd

Next year we get our number 1 center. Cousins or Hughes
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 29 @ 9:19 PM ET


Wow this is F'n crazy

Beagles agent is gem. He is driving up the price of a 33 year old 4th line center into crazy term and AAV.

Like why are GM's competing over such a player.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
If we could add a da haan then deal tanev i am all for it.. at this point there is no top pairing RHD in the next draft. Could always get lucky like the canes and find one later on.

Also, why I hope tavares goes to NYI maybe that would force them to moving someone out for immediate help. Sven and Tanev to NYI for Dobson and a cap dump not named ladd

Next year we get our number 1 center. Cousins or Hughes

- mauryballstein



I am not sure you would get a proper return for Tanev right now.

He might be more useful on Canucks this year
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Jun 29 @ 9:33 PM ET
I think Don is over at HF now
- Nucker101


Good (frank)ing riddance.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:39 PM ET
Doesn't sound like they're in on any dmen though. I like the idea of letting the overhyped bottom 6 players get paid by other GM's and instead focusing on the 2nd wave of UFA's for cheap to potentially use as sign and flips.

3M+ for Roussel, 2.5M+ for Beagle....


I don't know, personally I'd rather just sign 1 legit player instead like a De Haan or something and go penny pinching for depth with guys like Schaller/Calvert/Peca/Etc.

You end up spending close to the same too.

- Nucker101



We are better to run with what we have on D. Rather that than get a UFA forcing a waiver risk unless disguised as a salary dump. Yer ears on Hutty? 😂😂
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