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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Asking prices are high as the Vancouver Canucks look to land a UFA centre
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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:20 PM ET
I have always preferred that you don't give more than 2 years term to UFA's, and more than 2.5 million AAV. I don't think you build a team through free agency. I would rather the Canucks stayed quiet in regards to UFA's, and used their cap space to acquire picks/prospects for teams looking to shed a little. I look at WPG, and they have some really tough decisions coming up with their RFA's and cap
- Codes1087



Beagle only makes sense if 2yrs max & nothing to do with building a team through UFA’s other than he buys us time. We are in the middle ground on a rebuild while youth develops & look ahead to 2020 as the real year we should be on the rise. 2019 is the earliest we can expect if the kids go nutz somehow & speeds up our plans.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 29 @ 3:24 PM ET
Beagle only makes sense if 2yrs max & nothing to do with building a team through UFA’s other than he buys us time. We are in the middle ground on a rebuild while youth develops & look ahead to 2020 as the real year we should be on the rise. 2019 is the earliest we can expect if the kids go nutz somehow & speeds up our plans.
- Nighthawk


I will agree to disagree. Stop gap or not, I would rather weaponize our cap space with taking on say... Hossa's contract for ____ picks. Taking on Tyler Ennis's contract for __ pick(s) or a good prospect. I look at the teams looking to contend in 2019, and would rather see if the Canucks can get a decent haul for a team looking to maximize cap space for a cup run.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:25 PM ET
Being less optimistic aka be realistic we have 2-3 offseasons to use cap space & sign key UFA’s to move for TDL picks. Also players life Sutter & Sven & Hutton & even Tanev could be moved. Marky will back-up Demko in 2-3yrs or we are hooped if he improves he also is a tradeable asset. Its hard to predict further than the 2018-19 season but its what faces JB & if he aces it then thats the ultimate goal. Mediocre then he is gone & the new GM woukd be set to taje us to the next level with the cupboard we currently have. I’d also see TL gone in that sane time frame. Both TL & JB are tied together IMO
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:27 PM ET
I will agree to disagree. Stop gap or not, I would rather weaponize our cap space with taking on say... Hossa's contract for ____ picks. Taking on Tyler Ennis's contract for __ pick(s) or a good prospect. I look at the teams looking to contend in 2019, and would rather see if the Canucks can get a decent haul for a team looking to maximize cap space for a cup run.
- Codes1087


Actually you agree with me & others here saying taking on cap dumps is what we should do. Hossa Ennis Spezza Mason etc are just that. We have a season or 2 to capitalize on the above.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 3:28 PM ET
If the term or AAV starts with a 4................
- classic321



Can't be more than 3M, that would be insane


4 years wouldn't shock me, but I would just shake my head and laugh
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:30 PM ET
It will come back to contract space every time with us picking so many prospects these past drafts & future drafts. The imminent Seattle E-draft MUST be a longterm consideration no matter happens now or later. Protecting 7/3 is most likely at its early but its more than prudent to project the 7/3 list sooner than later.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 29 @ 3:30 PM ET
I will agree to disagree. Stop gap or not, I would rather weaponize our cap space with taking on say... Hossa's contract for ____ picks. Taking on Tyler Ennis's contract for __ pick(s) or a good prospect. I look at the teams looking to contend in 2019, and would rather see if the Canucks can get a decent haul for a team looking to maximize cap space for a cup run.
- Codes1087


Lots of cap space, why not both?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:34 PM ET
Can't be more than 3M, that would be insane


4 years wouldn't shock me, but I would just shake my head and laugh

- Nucker101


At worst i could live with 2/3m. Will that do it? Probably. With only Bo AG Sutter as C’s & maybe EP that fits the time frame. Still though it can get dicey. If all goes well Sutter becomes trade bait whether JB foresaw it or not. That would require lots to happen as in EP becomes a legit C or AG pans out as we hope. Big IFS. Drafting C & D are my only choices in future drafts. Short on quality C is obvious & can never have enough D.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:36 PM ET
Lots of cap space, why not both?
- Tumbleweed



Exactly👍
Leafs are the best at that as proven.
That is every teams dream in a rebuild.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:41 PM ET
Trading for top 2C’s or top 2D’s is rare &/or rudely expensive if it even happens. Can only draft for those & hope it pans out. Our next high draft pick might get us one of those. So from there trading for top 4D prospects is what we need. Draft picks are another dart. Its where we are at & what we should expect.

Wingers are our least worry
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:46 PM ET
So sorry to spam this blog but using my above posts its difficult to see how it goes down. Some might happen or many but my takes are pretty much what many suggested here.

Anyone else care to comment or add?
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 29 @ 3:48 PM ET
I will agree to disagree. Stop gap or not, I would rather weaponize our cap space with taking on say... Hossa's contract for ____ picks. Taking on Tyler Ennis's contract for __ pick(s) or a good prospect. I look at the teams looking to contend in 2019, and would rather see if the Canucks can get a decent haul for a team looking to maximize cap space for a cup run.
- Codes1087

Yeah, signing Beagle would serve no purpose imo, we could do better taking on bad contracts and letting someone younger play 3rd/4th line minutes. Signing him in no way adresses the need to have someone play C in a 2nd/3rd line scoring role
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 29 @ 3:52 PM ET
Yeah, signing Beagle would serve no purpose imo, we could do better taking on bad contracts and letting someone younger play 3rd/4th line minutes. Signing him in no way adresses the need to have someone play C in a 2nd/3rd line scoring role
- NorthNuck


tank hard this year. go for the hughes brother and at least get 3-4 extra picks.

next year push for playoffs and addressing roster needs.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 3:53 PM ET
You're definitely a dreamer, I'll give you that
- Nucker101



Ya think
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 3:56 PM ET
Ya, not a fan of that potentially signing. Another Sutter-type on this goal starved team? 🤢
- NewYorkNuck



You guys worry too much . I doubt any deal longer than 3 years or over 3.5
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 29 @ 4:02 PM ET
Yeah, signing Beagle would serve no purpose imo, we could do better taking on bad contracts and letting someone younger play 3rd/4th line minutes. Signing him in no way adresses the need to have someone play C in a 2nd/3rd line scoring role
- NorthNuck

My thoughts as well. Team is looking for a more middle 6 center not a 4th line one. Team has lots of mentorship.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 29 @ 4:08 PM ET
You guys worry too much . I doubt any deal longer than 3 years or over 3.5
- VANTEL


if he gets 3 years, and 3.5, I don't think it would be outrageous to say we are worrying too much lol. I can live with anything under or at 2.5. I still think its an overpayment but oh well.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:09 PM ET
You guys worry too much . I doubt any deal longer than 3 years or over 3.5
- VANTEL


3 years at 3M for a Beagle type at 33 years old is kinda ugly.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:09 PM ET
if he gets 3 years, and 3.5, I don't think it would be outrageous to say we are worrying too much lol. I can live with anything under or at 2.5. I still think its an overpayment but oh well.
- Codes1087


this
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 29 @ 4:09 PM ET
Yeah, signing Beagle would serve no purpose imo, we could do better taking on bad contracts and letting someone younger play 3rd/4th line minutes. Signing him in no way adresses the need to have someone play C in a 2nd/3rd line scoring role
- NorthNuck


I know most of the guys in here want nothing to do with Corsi, but Beagle had the worst Corsi in the entire NHL for players who played more than 50 games. Is it the be-all end-all of him as a player? No. But does it raise concerns/flags.. I would say so.
anavar
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.29.2008

Jun 29 @ 4:10 PM ET
3 years at 3M for a Beagle type at 33 years old is kinda ugly.
- Nucker101

Rick D saying 3 yrs at 2.5
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 29 @ 4:10 PM ET
3 years at 3M for a Beagle type at 33 years old is kinda ugly.
- Nucker101


I am trying not to be pessimistic but this is exactly my thoughts. It kind of goes against the message that Benning and Linden are trying to relay to the team/fans is all.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 4:11 PM ET
if he gets 3 years, and 3.5, I don't think it would be outrageous to say we are worrying too much lol. I can live with anything under or at 2.5. I still think its an overpayment but oh well.
- Codes1087



Really? Do you think that extra year will affect EPs third year of ELC or Hughes third year?

If you want to really worry about a contract then start with Eriksson not a Gagner or a Beagle
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 29 @ 4:15 PM ET
tank hard this year. go for the hughes brother and at least get 3-4 extra picks.

next year push for playoffs and addressing roster needs.

- Tumbleweed

If we decided to tank hard for 1 more year it would still be dumb to sign Beagle unless we knew he could be traded this year at the TDL.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 29 @ 4:16 PM ET
I know most of the guys in here want nothing to do with Corsi, but Beagle had the worst Corsi in the entire NHL for players who played more than 50 games. Is it the be-all end-all of him as a player? No. But does it raise concerns/flags.. I would say so.
- Codes1087

We already have plenty of 4th line caliber players, bad corsi just adds to the reasons not to sign him imo. But it's been said, it wouldn't be the end of the world if we did sign him
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