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HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Jun 27 @ 2:37 PM ET
Tsn aav calculator for tavares is pretty interesting. After taxes he wouldn't take home a whole lot more on an 8 year deal with the islanders than he would on a 7 year deal with the leafs and the difference between the leafs and the no state tax teams like Tampa and Dallas could probably be made up in endorsements.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jun 27 @ 2:38 PM ET
I think they did ok with Hainsey - not great, but at $3 million serviceable 4-5 guy. I think Montreal did not so okay with Alzner and Petry, $5 million a piece for two stiffs that helped sink the team into the sewer. Point is, very easy to overpay for Meh- dmen. Stars get paid, make good deals on the supporting cast, rinse and repeat.
- winsix


While I agree with your premise, if we got Tavares, we'd be spending a lot on our C's, so we should probably save some for the D.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 27 @ 2:38 PM ET
Gardiner is a #1....after eating asparagus.
- Symba007


Domi will score 5 empty net goals this year to reach double digits. And he will have a 12.3% winning percentage on face offs.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 27 @ 2:40 PM ET
I dont get this?

Lebrun and Matheson have been writing about the NHL for a long time.

even if you take a quick look at Wards stats.. he hasnt had a season above NHL avg sv% since 2011 ...like holy F.

He seems like one of the worst options. have they even looked at where the Canes have ranked in goale sv% the past decade?

is it just Ward is a gud pro and therefor a good option in these guys minds?


Scott Powers
‏Verified account @ByScottPowers
Blackhawks targeting veteran goalies in free agent market

Pierre LeBrun
‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun
Pierre LeBrun Retweeted Scott Powers
Agree with @ByScottPowers that Cam Ward is a good possibility for the Blackhawks, in fact I'd say a strong one

Jim Matheson
‏ @NHLbyMatty
Jim Matheson Retweeted Pierre LeBrun
Cam Ward would be ideal. He still thinks like a starter which he's been pretty much his whole NHL life but he has the personality to take a subordinate role to Crawford. He could easily play three-four weeks if Crawford was out.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:41 PM ET
I dont get this?

Lebrun and Matheson have been writing about the NHL for a long time.

even if you take a quick look at Wards stats.. he hasnt had a season above NHL avg sv% since 2011 ...like holy F.

He seems like one of the worst options. have they even looked at where the Canes have ranked in goale sv% the past decade?

is it just Ward is a gud pro and therefor a good option in these guys minds?

- senstroll


yeah, strange
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:42 PM ET
Tsn aav calculator for tavares is pretty interesting. After taxes he wouldn't take home a whole lot more on an 8 year deal with the islanders than he would on a 7 year deal with the leafs and the difference between the leafs and the no state tax teams like Tampa and Dallas could probably be made up in endorsements.
- HealthyScratch6


8 million dollars is a lot more.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tavares-calculator

N.Y. Islanders Toronto San Jose Tampa Bay Dallas Boston

8 years 7 years 7 years 7 years 7 years 7 years
Contract Value $96,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000

Salary Cap Hit $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000

Total Taxes Paid $48,470,400 $44,654,400 $42,856,800 $30,794,400 $30,794,400 $35,078,400

Net Salary $47,529,600 $39,345,600 $41,143,200 $53,205,600 $53,205,600 $48,921,600

Tampa Bay could offer him 70 million (44 million net) and he'd still make more than if the Leafs offered him 84 million (39 million net). Even though Tampa Bay has to move salary, their cap hit would be lower than the Leafs. Would the Leafs go into McDavid territory (14 AAV, 98 million, 46 million net)? Is it worth it?
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jun 27 @ 2:42 PM ET
I dont get this?

Lebrun and Matheson have been writing about the NHL for a long time.

even if you take a quick look at Wards stats.. he hasnt had a season above NHL avg sv% since 2011 ...like holy F.

He seems like one of the worst options. have they even looked at where the Canes have ranked in goale sv% the past decade?

is it just Ward is a gud pro and therefor a good option in these guys minds?

- senstroll

He won the Cup brah. Winning temperament.
Schennski
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jun 27 @ 2:43 PM ET
Agree on all but Myers - Leafs can sign him as a UFA next year, won't be nearly as expensive as Karlsson or Doughty
- winsix


Won't have space to sign him next year. The point is if they trade for Myers/Mason, it would be cheap because of the salary dump attached and then there is 9.6mil coming off the books next year to give to MaMar
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 27 @ 2:43 PM ET
Domi will score 5 empty net goals this year to reach double digits. And he will have a 12.3% winning percentage on face offs.
- winsix

Perfect....welcome to MTL Jack Hughes
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 27 @ 2:43 PM ET
He won the Cup brah. Winning temperament.
- AdamFrench


thats probably it. He won.. they have a good impression and dont need to do any actual work..hes good won a cup 12 years ago... ignore his abysmal NHL results since
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 27 @ 2:44 PM ET
The rest of the defense is a #2.
- Aetherial

No Reilly is a #2.
The rest...just aren’t
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 27 @ 2:45 PM ET
yeah, strange
- Aetherial


this is hilarious to me


Jim Matheson
‏ @NHLbyMatty

If Hawks want any intel on Ward they can ask Ricky Olczyk, Eddie's brother, who was assistant GM in Carolina for years. Ricky can pass on the info to Eddie O who can pass it along to GM Stan Bowman


i would hope the info they get is... He is a great guy, one of the best but cant stop a breach ball so if you are looking to tank..he is your man
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 27 @ 2:46 PM ET
No Reilly is a #2.
The rest...just aren’t

- Fakepartofme

so reilly is poop and the others are worse?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:46 PM ET
8 million dollars is a lot more.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tavares-calculator

N.Y. Islanders Toronto San Jose Tampa Bay Dallas Boston

8 years 7 years 7 years 7 years 7 years 7 years
Contract Value $96,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000

Salary Cap Hit $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000

Total Taxes Paid $48,470,400 $44,654,400 $42,856,800 $30,794,400 $30,794,400 $35,078,400

Net Salary $47,529,600 $39,345,600 $41,143,200 $53,205,600 $53,205,600 $48,921,600

Tampa Bay could offer him 70 million (44 million net) and he'd still make more than if the Leafs offered him 84 million (39 million net). Even though Tampa Bay has to move salary, their cap hit would be lower than the Leafs. Would the Leafs go into McDavid territory (14 AAV, 98 million, 46 million net)? Is it worth it?

- Unholy_Goalie



Kind of makes you wonder if the NHL should not be adopting a cap system with tax differences built in. If Tampa can offer lower cap hit contracts that still pay more it doesn't seem like a level playing field.

winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 27 @ 2:47 PM ET
Tsn aav calculator for tavares is pretty interesting. After taxes he wouldn't take home a whole lot more on an 8 year deal with the islanders than he would on a 7 year deal with the leafs and the difference between the leafs and the no state tax teams like Tampa and Dallas could probably be made up in endorsements.
- HealthyScratch6


And then some. NHL players have barely scratched the surface with endorsement money. Michael Jordan was making more in endorsements (significantly more) than his salary. An he basically has been retired for almost 20 years. In 2015 he made more money than the entire NBA
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:48 PM ET
this is hilarious to me



i would hope the info they get is... He is a great guy, one of the best but cant stop a breach ball so if you are looking to tank..he is your man

- senstroll


The funny part is WhyTF would they be looking for that kind of info. Look at where he is in his career.

Yeah this one is pretty wierd.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 27 @ 2:48 PM ET
so reilly is poop and the others are worse?
- Symba007

Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
so reilly is poop and the others are worse?
- Symba007

Nah, he’s good.
Some are decent
Rest are bad
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
No Reilly is a #2.
The rest...just aren’t

- Fakepartofme


uh
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jun 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
thats probably it. He won.. they have a good impression and dont need to do any actual work..hes good won a cup 12 years ago... ignore his abysmal NHL results since
- senstroll

Win the Cup as a rookie. Get a huge payout. Coast on the beautiful coastline of Carolina. #Winning
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
Kind of makes you wonder if the NHL should not be adopting a cap system with tax differences built in. If Tampa can offer lower cap hit contracts that still pay more it doesn't seem like a level playing field.
- Aetherial


It usually benefits non-traditional hockey markets so I doubt Bettman does anything about it because it creates "parity".
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 27 @ 2:49 PM ET

- winsix

it was pretty clear
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
so reilly is poop and the others are worse?
- Symba007


There is definitely some communication breakdown happening.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jun 27 @ 2:50 PM ET
8 million dollars is a lot more.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tavares-calculator

N.Y. Islanders Toronto San Jose Tampa Bay Dallas Boston

8 years 7 years 7 years 7 years 7 years 7 years
Contract Value $96,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000 $84,000,000

Salary Cap Hit $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000

Total Taxes Paid $48,470,400 $44,654,400 $42,856,800 $30,794,400 $30,794,400 $35,078,400

Net Salary $47,529,600 $39,345,600 $41,143,200 $53,205,600 $53,205,600 $48,921,600

Tampa Bay could offer him 70 million (44 million net) and he'd still make more than if the Leafs offered him 84 million (39 million net). Even though Tampa Bay has to move salary, their cap hit would be lower than the Leafs. Would the Leafs go into McDavid territory (14 AAV, 98 million, 46 million net)? Is it worth it?

- Unholy_Goalie



Who called UG coming back and starting taxbuzz? You win a prize
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jun 27 @ 2:50 PM ET
And then some. NHL players have barely scratched the surface with endorsement money. Michael Jordan was making more in endorsements (significantly more) than his salary. An he basically has been retired for almost 20 years. In 2015 he made more money than the entire NBA
- winsix


That doesn't make sense.
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