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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 25 @ 1:37 PM ET
The window we should be focusing on is the one where Provorov/Ghost/Sanheim/Patrick/Frost/Hart/etc are all in their primes. Trouba is young enough but is probably cost prohibitive.
- YuenglingJagr


Actually just found this on twitter after typing this...
from Alex Appleyard: Flyers "depth chart" under 24 years old
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 25 @ 1:38 PM ET
I'd trade the 2019 1st+ for Trouba if Winnipeg allowed him to talk to us first about an extension.

Also, if Toronto does sign Tavares, they'll likely have to move someone, and I'd go hard after Nylander.

- jmatchett383


Good point on Nylander. Based on everyone’s comments / reactions, Trouba def is a guy who can help us now and in the future. Gotta pay up for what you want. I too would be comfortable offering the 2019 1st in a deal for him, then again, I’m sure most GMs would be as well.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:39 PM ET
Actually just found this on twitter after typing this...
from Alex Appleyard: Flyers "depth chart" under 24 years old

- YuenglingJagr


good one
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 1:39 PM ET
I dont disagree they would want something like that but no team would pay it. That leaves the Jets faced with losing Trouba to FA in a year.
- wcorvette


Trouba is a RFA to the age of 27 I believe. That's 3 years from now. If he goes to Arbitration, he will be paid a lot then and a team like NYR will pay it.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 25 @ 1:41 PM ET
Trouba is a RFA to the age of 27 I believe. That's 3 years from now. If he goes to Arbitration, he will be paid a lot then and a team like NYR will pay it.
- Glak18

he has 2 more RFA years
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 25 @ 1:41 PM ET
Good point on Nylander. Based on everyone’s comments / reactions, Trouba def is a guy who can help us now and in the future. Gotta pay up for what you want. I too would be comfortable offering the 2019 1st in a deal for him, then again, I’m sure most GMs would be as well.
- arichardson22

The most cost effective way to acquire talent like this is to draft it
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 1:41 PM ET
he has 2 more RFA years
- YuenglingJagr


2 more years then...Winnipeg is in no rush.

EDIT: Double checked, 27 or 7 years of experience. Trouba has 5 years in the league now.
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jun 25 @ 1:42 PM ET
All RFA's got QO's except Mrazek
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:43 PM ET
Trouba is a RFA to the age of 27 I believe. That's 3 years from now. If he goes to Arbitration, he will be paid a lot then and a team like NYR will pay it.
- Glak18


i don't understand to the age of 27? He is restricted now correct? Meaning I guess he could arbitrate till he is 27?


FYI Jets also have Myers on the right side who has 1 year left at 5.5. Jets also have a lot of folks to sign going into 19-20, a lot
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 1:48 PM ET
i don't understand to the age of 27? He is restricted now correct? Meaning I guess he could arbitrate till he is 27?


FYI Jets also have Myers on the right side who has 1 year left at 5.5. Jets also have a lot of folks to sign going into 19-20, a lot

- wcorvette


A team holds the rights of the player as a Restricted Free Agent, when the player turns 27 or has 7 years of NHL experience he becomes eligible to become an Unrestricted Free Agent.

All that means is as a RFA Trouba could sit out for 2 years and not play, but that only hurts him. The team has the leverage with a RFA, if a team offer sheets Trouba then they could potentially make out better than trading him.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 25 @ 1:49 PM ET
The most cost effective way to acquire talent like this is to draft it
- YuenglingJagr


100% agree, but the hope is with this young upcoming core we have is we aren’t drafting top 10 which is where you’re more likely to draft that talent level. Barring major injuries, I can’t see our roster drafting top 10 in the next few seasons. Unless we win the lottery again lol.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 1:51 PM ET
A team holds the rights of the player as a Restricted Free Agent, when the player turns 27 or has 7 years of NHL experience he becomes eligible to become an Unrestricted Free Agent.

All that means is as a RFA Trouba could sit out for 2 years and not play, but that only hurts him. The team has the leverage with a RFA, if a team offer sheets Trouba then they could potentially make out better than trading him.

- Glak18



thank you....

look at cap friendly, if jets want to sign Stastny, then they have Wheeler coming up in 19-20, Laine is coming and others. I think they need to move a players, I do agree they will get a boat load for Trouba
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jun 25 @ 1:52 PM ET
A team holds the rights of the player as a Restricted Free Agent, when the player turns 27 or has 7 years of NHL experience he becomes eligible to become an Unrestricted Free Agent.

All that means is as a RFA Trouba could sit out for 2 years and not play, but that only hurts him. The team has the leverage with a RFA, if a team offer sheets Trouba then they could potentially make out better than trading him.

- Glak18


We pushed all of our chips in for Shea Weber thinking there was no way Nashville could match the money and they did. I'm not sure how much Winnipeg would want to keep Trouba. He seems to have been the "odd man out" in the Peg when listening to reports of his grumbling.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 1:52 PM ET
I think there have been a few since then. In 2008, Briere and Drury were 2 of the leading scorers in the NHL. Hossa left Pittsburgh for Detroit, then left Detroit for Chicago. Suter was also an elite premier defenseman when he left Nashville in 2012. But yeah, when you're talking about a perennial all-star top-end talent, it's rare the team lets him get to UFA.
- jmatchett383

You miss understand. Peter Forsberg and Vinny LeCavalier both signed here since 2000 but in the 90 to the early 2000's, a massive amount of superstars each summer moved on when their contracts were up. Look up UFA 2001 Jeremy Roenick, Luc Robitaille, Alex Mogilny, Pierre Turgeon, Dave Andreychuk, Donald Audette, Steve Thomas were all considered front line stars at this time. By these players jumping ship, resulted in players getting traded. I believe the signing of Roenick led to the Flyers finally being fine with trading Lindros. John LeClair would have been a UFA but he re-signed with us.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:52 PM ET
I can see it now, last second the Pens swoop in and sign Tavares and all hell breaks loose across the board wondering where Pitts keeps getting free cap space.
SuperSchennBros
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Jun 25 @ 1:54 PM ET
Actually just found this on twitter after typing this...
from Alex Appleyard: Flyers "depth chart" under 24 years old

- YuenglingJagr


I posted something like this today's ago but forgot a couple players. It wasn't lines for when they finally play. It was me admiring what we have. A couple people took exception to this...
SuperSchennBros
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Jun 25 @ 1:57 PM ET
I'd trade the 2019 1st+ for Trouba if Winnipeg allowed him to talk to us first about an extension.

Also, if Toronto does sign Tavares, they'll likely have to move someone, and I'd go hard after Nylander.

- jmatchett383

If I'm Toronto, I would think about moving Marleau and Bozsk. They're already gonna lose JvR, which I would have tried to re-sign. Toronto in my opinion has better forward prospects than us but we have better D prospects.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 1:59 PM ET
We pushed all of our chips in for Shea Weber thinking there was no way Nashville could match the money and they did. I'm not sure how much Winnipeg would want to keep Trouba. He seems to have been the "odd man out" in the Peg when listening to reports of his grumbling.
- cdearth23


Great example, I remember the excitement of people when Shea Weber "was a Flyer" for a short amount of time. Now imagine if that actually happened.

Flyers got lucky on that one.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 2:03 PM ET
If I'm Toronto, I would think about moving Marleau and Bozsk. They're already gonna lose JvR, which I would have tried to re-sign. Toronto in my opinion has better forward prospects than us but we have better D prospects.
- SuperSchennBros


I think that's pretty fair about the prospects/young players.

Bozak is a UFA, so he's probably gone. Marleau has 2 years left at $6.5M on a 35+ deal with a NMC. Nylander is a RFA, and they'll need to resign Matthews in a year. Realistically, they can only keep two of those 2 past this year without tearing apart their depth.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 25 @ 2:03 PM ET
If I'm Toronto, I would think about moving Marleau and Bozsk. They're already gonna lose JvR, which I would have tried to re-sign. Toronto in my opinion has better forward prospects than us but we have better D prospects.
- SuperSchennBros


It's easy to say that about Toronto since their big prospects are on the team. When you put together the young players for the Flyers on the roster now and the depth coming then I feel Flyers have no problem being at the very least on par with Toronto at forward.

Defense and Goalies...edge goes to Flyers. There's a reason the Flyers have one of the top ranked prospect pools for the last couple years and they added even more this year.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 25 @ 2:05 PM ET
We pushed all of our chips in for Shea Weber thinking there was no way Nashville could match the money and they did. I'm not sure how much Winnipeg would want to keep Trouba. He seems to have been the "odd man out" in the Peg when listening to reports of his grumbling.
- cdearth23


Awh man I’ll never forget that day. Woke up so certain it wasn’t going to be matched. Literally waited until the final hour to match
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 25 @ 2:06 PM ET
I see Filppula only as a last resort.

I could see interest in Roussel, solid winger that can kill penalties and play with and edge. Also could see a 3rd line center in guys like Stastny and Nash.

Can't rule out a trade and bringing in someone with a higher cap hit.

- J35Bacher

I like Stastny, but I don’t know if he will come East. I’m also not sure how much he’s going to need to be paid to be a 3C?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 2:07 PM ET
I like Stastny, but I don’t know if he will come East. I’m also not sure how much he’s going to need to be paid to be a 3C?
- Flyers1218


I was thinking the same thing; that's an expensive 3C.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 25 @ 2:08 PM ET
I tend to agree. I fear the following dominoes...

1.) Filpulla is signed to a favorable one year deal in the lull of free agency after Hextall, correctly, watches other FAs sign with other teams to massive deals.

2.) At camp/preseason, Filpulla is given the typical veteran leeway by Hakstol (and most other NHL coaches to be fair).

3.) Your starting 3C for opening night is Val Filpulla. Perhaps as 4C depending on the play of Laughton. I expect them to be interchangeable.

- StepfordSam

He will get someone. He has to. I just don’t know how good the person he gets will be lol.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 2:09 PM ET
Flyers Open 2018 Development Camp June 28

The full roster is here. NAK, Fazleev and Kase aren't going, and Cates is now listed as a defenseman.

https://nhl.bamcontent.co...7824/binary-file/file.pdf

Allison
Bunnaman
Farabee
Frost
Hain
Laberge
Laczynski
Lycksell
O'Brien
Ratcliffe
Rubtsov
Strome
Sushko
Twarynski
Vorobyev
Westfalt

Bernhardt
Cates (must be a mistake)
De Haas
Drake
Friedman
Ginning
Hogberg
Kalynuk
Myers
St. Ivany
Wylie

Ersson
Fedotov
Hart
Sandstrom
Tomek
Ustimenko
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