Sure,
But I bet Eichel’s % on the PP would be even less, since he’d almost always be going up against the other teams’ best faceoff guy

This is the problem i have when u take a stat like his overall faceoff % and then just apply it to a specific situation

It’s not gonna be the same,
yet u talk like there won’t be a difference
- jdfitz77

So does that mean O’Reilly actually would be less than 60% because he’s facing the other teams top guys? Works both ways.

How many PP faceoffs does RoR win above average per game? 1?
- Lunaion

Well ROR is above average, and Jack is below, so let’s just call it 2 faceoffs

U don’t think 40sec LESS PP time is significant?

I do

Glad all is well
Daycare is nuts
$1300/month is more than college
- jdfitz77

not even close.

My school was 75k a year to live on campus

Well ROR is above average, and Jack is below, so let’s just call it 2 faceoffs

U don’t think 40sec LESS PP time is significant?

I do
- jdfitz77

Where are you getting these figures?

So does that mean O’Reilly actually would be less than 60% because he’s facing the other teams top guys? Works both ways.
- sbroads24

Except O’Reilly is still really good against other team’s top guys
So I’d think there’s be less of a fluctuation

Any chance u can find that info on one of your analytics sites?
I’m curious to know and wouldn’t have the first clue where to find the info

So does that mean O’Reilly actually would be less than 60% because he’s facing the other teams top guys? Works both ways.
- sbroads24

I realllllly find this argument funny.

I clearly remember this conversation about 3-4 years ago on here when all this group complained about was how we had Hodgson, Leino, Zemgus, or Grigorenko taking faceoffs. None of them cleared over about 42%. We were THRILLED when we got Steve Ott here because of his abilities on the dot but that was about the end of his offensive prowess.

Fastforward to now and we are pushing a guy out the door because faceoffs don't matter again.

I'll be bookmarking this for when we are halfway through the season and complaints come up about our lack of ability on the dot. It's gonna happen.

Guhle may start in Rochester 'cuz If BEAU is sent down he will be claimed.
- turbo044

I'd be happy if Beau was claimed unfortunately. I was happy with the trade for a 3rd initially as well. Swing and a miss.

BOOM
- 22sabresQ

KEEP IT DOWN UP THERE!

I realllllly find this argument funny.

I clearly remember this conversation about 3-4 years ago on here when all this group complained about was how we had Hodgson, Leino, Zemgus, or Grigorenko taking faceoffs. None of them cleared over about 42%. We were THRILLED when we got Steve Ott here because of his abilities on the dot but that was about the end of his offensive prowess.

Fastforward to now and we are pushing a guy out the door because faceoffs don't matter again.

I'll be bookmarking this for when we are halfway through the season and complaints come up about our lack of ability on the dot. It's gonna happen.
- JVince11

We aren’t pushing anyone out of the door BECAUSE of face offs.

BOOM!
- jdfitz77

Keep it down or I'm gonna call the cops!

Where are you getting these figures?
- sbroads24

Watching hockey
How much time do u think is burned when we lose a faceoff & the puck gets cleared down the ice
I’d say about 20sec

And that’s assuming we can come down & actually gain the zone & get set up

Something that would already be done if we’d have won the faceoff


Saying ROR would win 2 more faceoffs than Jack is a guess-timate
Could even be a bigger disparity than that

not even close.

My school was 75k a year to live on campus
- Shadman306

Well obviously not ALL colleges
Point is...
daycare is crazy expensive

Keep it down or I'm gonna call the cops!
- jcragcrumple

Lol
Wouldn’t be the first time
Won’t be the last

I entertain a lot

Watching hockey
How much time do u think is burned when we lose a faceoff & the puck gets cleared down the ice
I’d say about 20sec

And that’s assuming we can come down & actually gain the zone & get set up

Something that would already be done if we’d have won the faceoff


Saying ROR would win 2 more faceoffs than Jack is a guess-timate
Could even be a bigger disparity than that
- jdfitz77

This is so far off though.

Out of 10 face offs

O’Reilly wins 6
Eichel wins 4

Unless they are taking 5-6 draws every PP by themselves, you aren’t going to see a giant difference.

Also, not every single face off loss results in a clear.

Well ROR is above average, and Jack is below, so let’s just call it 2 faceoffs

U don’t think 40sec LESS PP time is significant?

I do
- jdfitz77

You love to argue with simplistic storytelling vs stats. Losses aren't automatic clears. Wins aren't always clear possession. You can try to make it black and white, but I reject the premise.

If you really want to make it Jack vs RoR, then Jack's exceptional zone entries trump RoR's exceptional faceoffs by a wide margin.

Kaboom!

Well obviously not ALL colleges
Point is...
daycare is crazy expensive
- jdfitz77

true, just bitter about the debt, even with scholarships

This is so far off though.

Out of 10 face offs

O’Reilly wins 6
Eichel wins 4

Unless they are taking 5-6 draws every PP by themselves, you aren’t going to see a giant difference.

Also, not every single face off loss results in a clear.
- sbroads24

It's a useful skill. Is it worth $7.5m by itself? No. But at the end of a game when you're taking a d zone draw up by a goal with 15 seconds left and PK Subban is waiting for his center to win the draw back him, it comes in handy

Kaboom!
- Powerslave

WHAT ARE YOU KIDS DOING UP THERE?!?

WHAT ARE YOU KIDS DOING UP THERE?!?
- jcragcrumple

Making trades

It's a useful skill. Is it worth $7.5m by itself? No. But at the end of a game when you're taking a d zone draw up by a goal with 15 seconds left and PK Subban is waiting for his center to win the draw back him, it comes in handy
- jcragcrumple

I don’t disagree. Take any advantage you can.

It’s just not a skill that means a ton.

Guys get better at it all the time.

Eichel will get to be a 50% guy at some point

This is so far off though.

Out of 10 face offs

O’Reilly wins 6
Eichel wins 4

Unless they are taking 5-6 draws every PP by themselves, you aren’t going to see a giant difference.

Also, not every single face off loss results in a clear.
- sbroads24

And sometimes we won’t be able to re-gain the zone & set up right away

I think the difference would be significant
But we won’t know till Jack starts taking those draws

Hopefully he doesn’t think faceoffs don’t matter & he’s working at them this offseason

Bc 41% is a freaking joke at this point for someone so talented

Making trades
- Powerslave

Carry on

It's crazy as can be.

Happy to have written my final daycare payment of my life. That'll be an extra $1300 laying around every month.

I come around for certain events. Probably disappear after the draft for a bit again.
- JVince11

Not to preach but consider putting that in a 529 plan now. I'm looking at colleges with my junior and freshman and it's $70k per year at the colleges they're looking at

7.5 against the cap
- Shadman306

Yep but a cheap franchise who wants to save actual $$$ likes ROR a lot more after 6/30