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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 5:21 PM ET
Yes, Technically Stamkos did in fact hit FA...he just chose to stay with the team that gave him a great opportunity to compete for the cup for several years...he took less money sure, but signed in a location where the tax benefit made the cash value more compariable.
will be interesting to see what Johnny T does.
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And Skinner isnt on their level anyway.

- IonSabres

Why bother making any trades than. All these players are just going to hit UFA anyways and then will just sign with Buffalo and say (frank) you to the 31 other teams in the league. Super simple
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 5:25 PM ET
Let’s just sign James Neal and JVR too I mean they’re both UFA and we can sign them for free not like they have any other teams to choose from.

Someone should probably inform the 31 other NHL teams that you never have to make Trades when you can just sign players for free.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 18 @ 5:25 PM ET
Why bother making any trades than. All these players are just going to hit UFA anyways and then will just sign with Buffalo and say (frank) you to the 31 other teams in the league. Super simple
- ImThatGuy


Trade for RFAs or guys with term like Hamilton, Schwartz, Stone, etc.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jun 18 @ 5:29 PM ET
Maybe it's just me but I see Neal and JVR as more skilled offensively and slightly less crappy on defense than Skinner. None of them are great on defense.

Just looking at their stats comparatively they are actually not terribly far apart are they?

I don't know... I just don't think around the league or fan base people don't think those 3 are all on the same level.

https://www.hockey-refere...er3=vanrija01&idx=players

- JVince11


The way free agency is these days though if a player like Skinner hits free agency he’s going to get paid. I take JVR and possibly Neal (age makes it iffy) over Skinner as well but it’s supply and demand my friend.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 5:33 PM ET
Trade for RFAs or guys with term like Hamilton, Schwartz, Stone, etc.
- jcragcrumple

But we can just Sign them for free when their contracts are up why bother trading for them at all?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 18 @ 5:35 PM ET
But we can just Sign them for free when their contracts are up why bother trading for them at all?
- ImThatGuy


You're playing coy, but you know it's different to trade for a player with 1 year left (UFA) than trading for a guy with RFA status or longer term. That's why the Scandella deal made sense
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 5:36 PM ET
The way free agency is these days though if a player like Skinner hits free agency he’s going to get paid. I take JVR and possibly Neal (age makes it iffy) over Skinner as well but it’s supply and demand my friend.
- Pegullaville

No you have it all wrong players hit free agency all the time and then They sign with Buffalo.

It’s confirm that John Tavares will sign with Buffalo he’s A UFA and they only sign in Buffalo because he’s free and this is easy
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 18 @ 5:40 PM ET
I don't care. Jeff Skinner has played in this league for 8 years. His high score is 63 points. Could he have a better year next to Eichel? Sure. But he's not gonna turn into a perennial 90 point player.

At some point, guys are who they are. Skinner's high score is 63. ROR's is 64.

Skinner is not this amazing, underutilized player. He's a one-dimensional scorer, which is fine! But, man, you're acting like we're missing out on Kucherov

- jcragcrumple



But yet you wanted Hoffman
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
Good move for him.

He can now go somewhere get paid handsomely and get another shot at a cup.

Heading to Long Island maybe?

- ImThatGuy

no coach was won cups with multiple teams in the last 60 years other than scotty bowman


so odds are he will not win another cup

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 18 @ 5:42 PM ET
But yet you wanted Hoffman
- gerbe75pts


Correction: I want to buy low on Hoffman if he dumps his GF. He would not cost anywhere near ROR, and he has 2 years left
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jun 18 @ 5:43 PM ET
No you have it all wrong players hit free agency all the time and then They sign with Buffalo.

It’s confirm that John Tavares will sign with Buffalo he’s A UFA and they only sign in Buffalo because he’s free and this is easy

- ImThatGuy


I honestly think we could at least be able to talk to him if we come at him with a competitive offer. Good young core, hockey crazed fan base, Moulson has known him since they played lacrosse together at a young age and still speaks glowingly of Buffalo. Okposo and him are really good buddies. I’m not saying he would ever sign here, but I’m sure he would at least allow us to make a pitch like Stammer did.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 18 @ 5:45 PM ET
Correction: I want to buy low on Hoffman if he dumps his GF. He would not cost anywhere near ROR, and he has 2 years left
- jcragcrumple


You wanted him before the stuff came out

Skinner is younger and a better score and both will get the same contract

What's the probelm here
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jun 18 @ 5:48 PM ET
You wanted him before the stuff came out

Skinner is younger and a better score and both will get the same contract

What's the probelm here

- gerbe75pts


I’m sure Botterill has a plan to acquire a winger in some way, shape, or form. All we can do is sit back grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. Or deliberate here until we are blue in the face and throw insults at one another haha.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 18 @ 5:49 PM ET
You wanted him before the stuff came out

Skinner is younger and a better score and both will get the same contract

What's the probelm here

- gerbe75pts


My deal involved both Hoffman and Stone for Reinhart, 2019 first, 32 and Nylander.

One's an RFA, one still had term on the deal. Hoffman's value is in the crapper, so I wouldn't offer anywhere near that

That's obviously (frank)ed now, as you probably can't trade Stone and Hoffman to the same place. So if Hoffman dumps his GF, I would take him for a second or third
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 18 @ 5:51 PM ET
I’m sure Botterill has a plan to acquire a winger in some way, shape, or form. All we can do is sit back grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. Or deliberate here until we are blue in the face and throw insults at one another haha.
- Pegullaville


I mean it's been like this everday for the past year lol

feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 18 @ 5:57 PM ET
Crazy gf's

Hoffman

Got that "this is gonna backfire feeling"

Skinner

Don't fit our rebuild timeline

Neal
JVR
Patches

Juuuuuust right

Burakovsky


EDIT: ...but i doubt Burakovsky happens
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 18 @ 6:03 PM ET
Crazy gf's

Hoffman

Got that "this is gonna backfire feeling"

Skinner

Don't fit our rebuild timeline

Neal
JVR
Patches

Juuuuuust right

Burakovsky


EDIT: ...but i doubt Burakovsky happens

- feetontheair22


All in for 3rd
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 18 @ 6:04 PM ET
hahaha I saw that Gerbe
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 18 @ 6:05 PM ET
I’m sure Botterill has a plan to acquire a winger in some way, shape, or form. All we can do is sit back grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. Or deliberate here until we are blue in the face and throw insults at one another haha.
- Pegullaville



Right on. It's going to be a long week. If RoR isn't gone at/before the draft, next week is going to be even longer.
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 18 @ 6:05 PM ET
All in for 3rd
- gerbe75pts


I honestly think that is the best angle for JB to pursue. The Habs are DESPERATE for a center and their fan base/price/weber can't wait around to develop one. ROR can play top line minutes. He is head and shoulders better than any other center on the market right now.

Put the screws too um JB!
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 18 @ 6:07 PM ET
No you have it all wrong players hit free agency all the time and then They sign with Buffalo.

It’s confirm that John Tavares will sign with Buffalo he’s A UFA and they only sign in Buffalo because he’s free and this is easy

- ImThatGuy


Lol. It is quite funny watching you go 200 mph to the extremes on all subjects because someone factually answered a question you asked, and proved you wrong.
But, I digress, keep it going! You live your name every post!
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 6:09 PM ET
Lol. It is quite funny watching you go 200 mph to the extremes on all subjects because someone factually answered a question you asked, and proved you wrong.
But, I digress, keep it going! You live your name every post!

- IonSabres

I was told we could sign Skinner for free so why does that not hold true for any free agent?

Why didn’t we sign Mike Richards? He was a UFA and free?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jun 18 @ 6:11 PM ET
I was told we could sign Skinner for free so why does that not hold true for any free agent?

Why didn’t we sign Mike Richards? He was a UFA and free?

- ImThatGuy


89 says Regier wanted Leino all along
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:14 PM ET
89 says Regier wanted Leino all along
- jcragcrumple

Yes he did 100%
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:18 PM ET
John Tavares and Steven Stamkos say hello.


Two of the elite tier of the NHL.


Guys like Skinner who are borderline top or 2nd line guys hit UFA all the time and get paid huge contracts that are regretted 3 years later.

- JVince11



Stamkos technically never hit UFA status. He got to the "courting period" but that deal was signed before Tampa would have officially lost his rights.
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