No, the math does not check out. The Flyers would've been a more productive offensive team with a proven 20+ goal 50 point player in Schenn on the Wing in place of other players such as Raffl, Weal, Lindblom or any other combination that was used due to the trade of Schenn. The trade weakened the Flyers offensively. It was a short term loss for hopefully long term gain.
- MJL

That was never the point, Jesus . The argument and question (for the 2nd time) last offseason was can the Flyers' offense replace or make up Schenn's production; not whether the flyers would be better or not. Players collectively did so to replace, and score/produce more, than Schenn. Point / Production totals; do you understand? And for the record, the Flyers actually did have a better season without Schenn; they made the playoffs this year. Our offense did not take a step back this season.

That was never the point, Jesus . The argument and question (for the 2nd time) last offseason was can the Flyers' offense replace or make up Schenn's production; not whether the flyers would be better or not. Players collectively did so to replace, and score/produce more, Schenn. Point / Production totals; do you understand? And for the record, the Flyers actually did have a better season without Schenn; they made the playoffs this year. Our offense did not take a step back this season.
- arichardson22

I didn't state the Flyers would be better. I stated that they would've been more productive offensively if Schenn was still a Flyer. All of the players who raised their production from previous years, could've also done so with Schenn in the lineup. There is no question that if they had kept Schenn they would've been a deeper offensive team. You're looking at it the wrong way. Trading Schenn weakened the Flyers offensively.

It wasn't replaced. Not even close.
- MJL

They scored 249 goals compared to the 212 they scored the year before. His production was replaced.

They scored 249 goals compared to the 212 they scored the year before. His production was replaced.
- MBFlyerfan

How many goals would they have scored with Schenn in the lineup at Wing this past season in place of Weal, or Weise, or any other player who filled a spot in the top 9? That has to be part of the equation. The players that took his spot in the top 9 did not match his production of past seasons.

How many goals would they have scored with Schenn in the lineup at Wing this past season in place of Weal, or Weise, or any other player who filled a spot in the top 9? That has to be part of the equation. The players that took his spot in the top 9 did not match his production.
- MJL

Did't Giroux take Schenn's LW spot

I didn't state the Flyers would be better. I stated that they would've been more productive offensively if Schenn was still a Flyer. All of the players who raised their production from previous years, could've also done so with Schenn in the lineup. There is no question that if they had kept Schenn they would've been a deeper offensive team. You're looking at it the wrong way. Trading Schenn weakened the Flyers offensively.
- MJL

That is not as guaranteed as you're making it out to be tho man. What did the Schenn trade do ? It moved G to wing and Couts to the 1C and also eventually got TK as the first RW (to a degree). It also made Couts join PP1. That imo is a key reason why these player's productions went up.

They scored 249 goals compared to the 212 they scored the year before. His production was replaced.
- MBFlyerfan

Correct.

One can spin it any way one wants but numbers don’t lie. Scoring 37 more goals is proof that Schenn’s offensive output was effectively replaced.

Scared Monika Caryk will wish my children dead.
- mayorofangrytown

It takes a lot to make me chuckle on here.

Well done sir.

Did't Giroux take Schenn's LW spot
- arichardson22

Here is the list of Flyers wingers.

Giroux
Konecny
Voracek
Simmonds
Raffl
Weal
Weise
Lindblom
Lehtera
Leier

Where would Schenn have fit in had he stayed with the Flyers?

It takes a lot to make me chuckle on here.

Well done sir.
- flyer_nutter

How many goals would they have scored with Schenn in the lineup at Wing this past season in place of Weal, or Weise, or any other player who filled a spot in the top 9? That has to be part of the equation. The players that took his spot in the top 9 did not match his production of past seasons.
- MJL

We have no idea. But what we DO know is that without him the offense increased a significant amount of goals.

If you are going to use your logic you must also SPECULATE which other players production would have decreased because they would have had lesser roles if Schenn was there. Just as you are SPECULATING how many point Schenn may or may not have had.

So, dealing just in facts, the Flyers offense made a significant increase in goals. The Flyers traded Schenn never believing the player they acquired for him would somehow match him in goals. They did however, believe that a group of other players, when given bigger bites, would pick up the slack. Thus replacing his production, as a team, by 37 goals.

Correct.

One can spin it any way one wants but numbers don’t lie. Scoring 37 more goals is proof that Schenn’s offensive output was effectively replaced.
- BiggE

That is not as guaranteed as you're making it out to be tho man. What did the Schenn trade do ? It moved G to wing and Couts to the 1C and also eventually got TK as the first RW (to a degree). It also made Couts join PP1. That imo is a key reason why these player's productions went up.
- arichardson22

I agree, it created opportunities for other players but when you're playing Jordan Weal and Dale Weise in a top 9 role as a winger for a significant number of games there is no doubt that if Schenn had remained a Flyer, they would've been a deeper and more productive offensive team. Schenn is a huge upgrade over Weal and Weise.

We have no idea. But what we DO know is that without him the offense increased a significant amount of goals.

If you are going to use your logic you must also SPECULATE which other players production would have decreased because they would have had lesser roles if Schenn was there. Just as you are SPECULATING how many point Schenn may or may not have had.

So, dealing just in facts, the Flyers offense made a significant increase in goals. The Flyers traded Schenn never believing the player they acquired for him would somehow match him in goals. They did however, believe that a group of other players, when given bigger bites, would pick up the slack. Thus replacing his production, as a team, by 37 goals.
- MBFlyerfan

Thank you

We have no idea. But what we DO know is that without him the offense increased a significant amount of goals.

If you are going to use your logic you must also SPECULATE which other players production would have decreased because they would have had lesser roles if Schenn was there. Just as you are SPECULATING how many point Schenn may or may not have had.

So, dealing just in facts, the Flyers offense made a significant increase in goals. The Flyers traded Schenn never believing the player they acquired for him would somehow match him in goals. They did however, believe that a group of other players, when given bigger bites, would pick up the slack. Thus replacing his production, as a team, by 37 goals.
- MBFlyerfan

In my opinion that is not the correct way to look at it. Having a better player in Schenn over Weise and Weal could've spiked the output of Filppula or even Patrick. Schenn was a 20+ goal 50 point winger for the Flyers. The players that replaced him did not effectively replace him.

They made a significant boost in goals from the previous season due to the improved play offensively of Giroux, Couturier, and Voracek, not from replacing Schenn.

- mayorofangrytown

Hoffman is standing by his girl.

Seems the other wives kind of verify it though. Jesus Christ.

Duchene has to be wondering where the hell he was traded.

Here is the list of Flyers wingers.

Giroux
Konecny
Voracek
Simmonds
Raffl
Weal
Weise
Lindblom
Lehtera
Leier

Where would Schenn have fit in had he stayed with the Flyers?
- MJL

Not sure if I'm reading too much into this and there is more significance to the list other than just listing players; is this ranked top to bottom? Schenn would have likely been kept on the top left wing spot. Unless Giroux and Haks discussed before the trade that G would be moved to wing. Then maybe he would have been 1C, 2C or 2LW.

Hoffman is standing by his girl.

Seems the other wives kind of verify it though. Jesus Christ.

Duchene has to be wondering where the hell he was traded.
- flyer_nutter

Over on the Sens thread they're ready to fold the team and start rooting for the Quebec expansion club. So much crap going on with that team. It's like they're infected.

Hoffman is standing by his girl.

Seems the other wives kind of verify it though. Jesus Christ.

Duchene has to be wondering where the hell he was traded.
- flyer_nutter

This story is wild! If the other wives are agreeing against her, you'd have to think Hoffman could be on his way out. His name has already been in trade rumors before this too

In my opinion that is not the correct way to look at it. Having a better player in Schenn over Weise and Weal could've spiked the output of Filppula or even Patrick. Schenn was a 20+ goal 50 point winger for the Flyers. The players that replaced him did not effectively replace him.

They made a significant boost in goals from the previous season due to the improved play offensively of Giroux, Couturier, and Voracek, not from replacing Schenn.
- MJL

It's also possible that Schenn's production drops by 10-15 pts playing with those guys. All speculation.

It's also possible that Schenn's production drops by 10-15 pts playing with those guys. All speculation.
- bighandsome91

It's also possible Schenn tears his ACL and MCL in camp and doesn't produce a single point all year.

This story is wild! If the other wives are agreeing against her, you'd have to think Hoffman could be on his way out. His name has already been in trade rumors before this too
- arichardson22

Who wants him with that baggage?

It's also possible that Schenn's production drops by 10-15 pts playing with those guys. All speculation.
- bighandsome91

Sure but he's still an upgrade offensively over players like Weal, Weise, and Raffl in the top 9.

Over on the Sens thread they're ready to fold the team and start rooting for the Quebec expansion club. So much crap going on with that team. It's like they're infected.
- mayorofangrytown

Step one is a change in ownership.

Melnyk is a ghetto owner.

This story is wild! If the other wives are agreeing against her, you'd have to think Hoffman could be on his way out. His name has already been in trade rumors before this too
- arichardson22

Want nothing to do with him.

You can’t bring that kind of poop into a lockeroom. This isn’t Ray Emery 2.0 unless he dumps her.

Curious how they go about proving it.