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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 12 @ 10:51 AM ET
Get it down now. 8 million for 8 years. Because if he has another solid year and somehow get into Norris talk next year the price just goes up
- J35Bacher


Exactly.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:54 AM ET
go after Carlson or not?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 12 @ 10:55 AM ET
go after Carlson or not?
- wcorvette

no
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 12 @ 10:55 AM ET
go after Carlson or not?
- wcorvette


No thanks. If the Caps don't re-sign him, someone is going to offer him 7 years and at least 55 million. I don't want any part of that.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:59 AM ET
No thanks. If the Caps don't re-sign him, someone is going to offer him 7 years and at least 55 million. I don't want any part of that.
- BiggE



so do you go after Jack Johnson, Dehann or a cheaper option like Cole?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 12 @ 11:00 AM ET
No thanks. If the Caps don't re-sign him, someone is going to offer him 7 years and at least 55 million. I don't want any part of that.
- BiggE



Yeah. After the playoffs and year he had, he is getting paid. I can see Edmonton trying to clear some space to go after him. That's why I think they want to move Lucic.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 12 @ 11:02 AM ET
so do you go after Jack Johnson, Dehann or a cheaper option like Cole?
- wcorvette



I agree with Bill and de Haan is interesting. I would also maybe look at Sbsia. But guys that maybe I can get on short term deals. Maybe allow me to move Gudas.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 12 @ 11:07 AM ET
I agree with Bill and de Haan is interesting. I would also maybe look at Sbsia. But guys that maybe I can get on short term deals. Maybe allow me to move Gudas.
- J35Bacher


No thanks to Sbisa. Not a fan
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jun 12 @ 11:11 AM ET
No thanks to Sbisa. Not a fan
- bulet13



not even on the wing?
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 12 @ 11:24 AM ET
not even on the wing?
- corduroy


Only on the opposing team
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 11:28 AM ET
here's hoping Sanheim puts on 5-8 pounds
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 12 @ 11:30 AM ET
1. Draft Farabee at #14

2. Draft one of Kupari, Kravtsov, Noel, at #19

3. Trade Gudas and Weal + late Pick to get an early 2nd and draft Berggren.

4. Trade Simmonds


jra173
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Somewhere in the Middle, PA
Joined: 04.27.2017

Jun 12 @ 11:44 AM ET
I'm starting to be suspicious that Hextall and Pryor are actually the same person.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 12 @ 11:51 AM ET
Bill just dropped a monster article on Flyers site about the 2011 trades

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-299028526
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
Michal Kempny
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
I'm starting to be suspicious that Hextall and Pryor are actually the same person.
- jra173

they're actually both Barbara Bottini
jra173
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Somewhere in the Middle, PA
Joined: 04.27.2017

Jun 12 @ 11:53 AM ET
Provy as a rookie in 16-17, put up 6 goals and 30 points, was a -7 and finished with an ATOI of 21:59. He was playing #1 Dman minutes and matchups by mid season and his numbers are extremely impressive for a 19-20 year old rookie playing that spot on a mediocre team.

Last year, he upped his numbers to 17 goals, 41 points and was a +17 with an ATOI of 24:09. His numbers are extremely impressive when you consider the fact that he does not play on the top PP and he plays, by far, the most and hardest minutes of any player on the team. His overall possession numbers are solid as well, especially when you factor in his 53% D zone starts and the amount of time he's on the ice against top lines.

Even without top pp unit time, I can see Provorov being a guy who plays 25-26 minutes a night, matches up against the other teams top lines and top pp units, is extremely durable and always in phenomenal shape, and, once the forward talent level is upgraded, is consistently putting up 15-20 goals and 50-60 points.

With all that being said, I'd give him 8 million per for 8 years without a moment's hesitation because I think 8 million will be a bargain for Provorov by the 2nd or 3rd year of the deal, and potentially a flat out steal by the 5th through 8th years. Not only could the cap easily be flirting with 100 million by then, but even in the last year of the deal, Provorov will only be turning 30.

- BiggE


The last paragraph is exactly what was going through my head when I saw the OEK deal. I think what makes this even easier is that Ghost and Coots are both locked up at what appears to be a bargain. So...even if Provorov is at his peak (chances of that are relatively minimal) it still is an acceptable hit/term.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 12 @ 12:00 PM ET
I'm starting to be suspicious that Hextall and Pryor are actually the same person.
- jra173


I was thinking the same thing lol
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 12 @ 12:02 PM ET
The last paragraph is exactly what was going through my head when I saw the OEK deal. I think what makes this even easier is that Ghost and Coots are both locked up at what appears to be a bargain. So...even if Provorov is at his peak (chances of that are relatively minimal) it still is an acceptable hit/term.
- jra173

I wouldn't hesitate to give Provy 8x8, but I don't think they'll even need to go that high in $
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 12 @ 12:03 PM ET
Bill just dropped a monster article on Flyers site about the 2011 trades

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-299028526

- YuenglingJagr




Even if a team is unable to select a certain player in his Draft year, the staff's pre-Draft scouting work doesn't go four naught.


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:05 PM ET
so do you go after Jack Johnson, Dehann or a cheaper option like Cole?
- wcorvette

I’m not sure I’d go after any FA Dmen. You already have Provy, Ghost, AMac, Sanheim, Gudas and Hagg healthy and, except for Hagg who should be signed soon, under contract for next year. You also have Myers who may be ready too and Morin should be back in the picture before the end of next season. Maybe you sign a 6/7 guy for depth but that’s all I’d do unless a Dman is traded at the draft.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:09 PM ET

- MBFlyerfan


BURN HIM!!!

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 12 @ 12:12 PM ET
I’m not sure I’d go after any FA Dmen. You already have Provy, Ghost, AMac, Sanheim, Gudas and Hagg healthy and, except for Hagg who should be signed soon, under contract for next year. You also have Myers who may be ready too and Morin should be back in the picture before the end of next season. Maybe you sign a 6/7 guy for depth but that’s all I’d do unless a Dman is traded at the draft.
- BiggE



Agreed. I think priority 1 is signing a 3C who can kill penalties and chip in a few goals. Someone like Riley Nash.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 12 @ 12:13 PM ET

BURN HIM!!!


- jmatchett383



burn his copy editor.

All kidding aside, I am so glad the franchise saw the light about draft picks. So they never trade a 1st and a 3rd for the likes of Kris Versteeg, or a 1st for the likes of Steve Eminger.......EVER again.....
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 12 @ 12:17 PM ET
I’m not sure I’d go after any FA Dmen. You already have Provy, Ghost, AMac, Sanheim, Gudas and Hagg healthy and, except for Hagg who should be signed soon, under contract for next year. You also have Myers who may be ready too and Morin should be back in the picture before the end of next season. Maybe you sign a 6/7 guy for depth but that’s all I’d do unless a Dman is traded at the draft.
- BiggE


I m hoping he stays away from UFA dmen. He considers Provy and Ghost vets, by his logic 4 of the top 6 are filled with experience. I don't want another vet to block Meyers.
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