I heard both, what does that mean?
- Sabresfan-365

Heard both what? Words? That's not necessarily an age related thing, the freqs aren't that far apart. Me too, but if they didn't tell you what to listen for you might not be able to tell. I have to struggle to hear laurel, but I do hear it, I think.

I never heard it that way before. So you are saying only if they win the lottery they can push it to 2020 ?
- Lilroot9

No, if they miss the playoffs they can choose to push it, regardless if they win a lottery pick or not.

Idk what you're into, but Edgewood pts 1&2 are about government experiments into higher consciousness. Interesting and funny. The time travel and alien stuff (Billy Meier, Betty & Barney Hill, Hollow Moon) is funny and utterly useless, and their multi-part serial killer stuff like Leonard Lake and Charles Ng is terrfic.

Anyway, go Sabres
- jcragcrumple

All of it, man. All of it.

Had to step away from the governmental stuff for a while... it just eats you up. Especially since you know it's still going on and won't stop. Remote Viewing is cool though. Especially a specific case w/ the CIA related to Mars.

Multiverse, dimensional bleed-through/parallel, nonlinear/cyclical time, WW2, Nazi Bell, space/universe, aliens/UFOs, consciousness, the pyramids, genetic engineering.. just all of it. The world is fascinating.

Gonna get interdimensional myself for the first time with some DMT in the next couple weeks.

No, if they miss the playoffs they can choose to push it, regardless if they win a lottery pick or not.
- Wetbandit1

Where are you seeing this? Any links or anything? Never read it that way before.

I don’t disagree.

I guess all I’m saying is when McDavid’s cap hit is $12.5 which is ~20% higher than previous high....IMO that is quite the increase....it’s a sold player at $2.5m

Oh well, will be interesting.
- IonSabres

It was a big jump, but as a % of cap when the contract was signed, I don't think it was.

Teams are a business. The economic value of McDavid is way more than a max contract. Any less than that really is a gift. The long term side effect is that more players will hit free agency, which would be a very good thing for the league. It should mean offer sheets, were it not for borderline collusion.

I never heard it that way before. So you are saying only if they win the lottery they can push it to 2020 ?

Edit: I don’t even see that it’s lottery protected here... nor that they can push the 1st rounder a year... https://www.google.com/am...34asr91hhrkz1sjtyix1x66qw

Edit 2: another site has the lottery protection but still no 2020 1st (unless they win lottery in 2019)
- Lilroot9

If you look at our page on Capfriendly you'll see an apteryx next to the SJ second round pick in 2019 and one next to the 4th round pick in 2019 signifying conditions on both picks.

Also check out this site:

https://www.prosportstran...tTrades/Future/Sabres.htm

Where are you seeing this? Any links or anything? Never read it that way before.
- Lilroot9

That's how lottery protected usually works. I forget who it is this year, Ottawa? from the Duchene trade? they can still push it to next year if they want even though they didn't win the lottery, but that's the way it was stated.

Interesting? Same bitter buffalo reasons?
- Boss34

Not Sabres-related, I don't think. I know I don't like Ovechkin and hope he never wins anything meaningful.

I also find it amusing how consistently the Caps can have one of, if not, the best teams during the regular season and then fail in the playoffs for pretty much the same reasons every year. I guess I'd like to see that continue because that's just the way the world is supposed to work. I think it's the same reason I root for the Browns to fail in all things. If they didn't, it would just feel wrong.

Also, I have no problem with Tampa or Vegas, so there's nothing to trump my anti-Caps interests. For example, if the Leafs, Bruins, Habs, Flyers, or Canes were still in it, I would take the Caps over any of them.

if tampa won 2, would that hurt more then the caps winning 1


from a buffalo point of view?


honestly I don't think it matters who wins it, we have sucked and they did what it took to win it

That's how lottery protected usually works. I forget who it is this year, Ottawa? from the Duchene trade? they can still push it to next year if they want even though they didn't win the lottery, but that's the way it was stated.
- Wetbandit1

Ok, so Ottawa's was a little different:

"If Ottawa's 2018 1st round pick ends up being a top 10 pick, the Senators have the option to keep the 2018 1st round pick and send Colorado their 2019 1st round pick instead."

I think they just refer to all of these types as "lottery protected". So individual scenarios may vary.

Edit: Ottawa kept their pick this year. Ever the optimists they are.

That's how lottery protected usually works. I forget who it is this year, Ottawa? from the Duchene trade? they can still push it to next year if they want even though they didn't win the lottery, but that's the way it was stated.
- Wetbandit1

No the Duchene pick was top 10 protected. I don’t think it’s the same with sharks pick.

Ok, so Ottawa's was a little different:

"If Ottawa's 2018 1st round pick ends up being a top 10 pick, the Senators have the option to keep the 2018 1st round pick and send Colorado their 2019 1st round pick instead."

I think they just refer to all of these types as "lottery protected". So individual scenarios may vary.

Edit: Ottawa kept their pick this year. Ever the optimists they are.
- Wetbandit1

Beat me to it. But I don’t think sharks can push unless they win a top 3 pick in 2019.

Edit: so as you stated could be trouble for Ottawa if they win lottery next year... (trouble meaning they lose the pick anyway)

Ok, so Ottawa's was a little different:

"If Ottawa's 2018 1st round pick ends up being a top 10 pick, the Senators have the option to keep the 2018 1st round pick and send Colorado their 2019 1st round pick instead."

I think they just refer to all of these types as "lottery protected". So individual scenarios may vary.

Edit: Ottawa kept their pick this year. Ever the optimists they are.
- Wetbandit1

Sounds similar to the way they do it in the NBA. Though I don't think I've seen NBA trades have a team option on which year the pick is transferred. I think it's just the condition is satisfied, or it isn't.

I heard Moulson sold his WNY home, so that’s fun.

No the Duchene pick was top 10 protected. I don’t think it’s the same with sharks pick.
- Lilroot9

I just meant that "lottery protected" is a catch-all that includes a bunch of different scenarios. Mostly because reporters have to be first, so they get lazy with details.

Happy for ov

God I'm hoping the sharks sign kane if we could get a Lottery shot at Lafreniere no team would stop us

No blame intended.
But the big guys contracts combined with over payments to UFAs is crippling teams.
Lockout is going to have to correct these issues is some form or fashion.
- IonSabres

Ownership will force a lockout based on other issues, not the ridiculous 2nd contracts.
1. They need to find a way to back out of long term contracts, term being the key, for older players when it turns out to be a bad deal. ( Seabrook, Ladd, Moulson, etc) without the financial and cap punishment.
2. The abolishment of no movement clauses.

I can see the owners pushing for a walk away clause automatically available once a player hits a certain age.

Happy for ov
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Happy for what? He didn't do anything yet.

Ownership will force a lockout based on other issues, not the ridiculous 2nd contracts.
1. They need to find a way to back out of long term contracts, term being the key, for older players when it turns out to be a bad deal. ( Seabrook, Ladd, Moulson, etc) without the financial and cap punishment.
2. The abolishment of no movement clauses.

I can see the owners pushing for a walk away clause automatically available once a player hits a certain age.
- Larsson_fan

Sure, then the players will want higher dollar contracts to offset the money lost later in their careers. The league is in a good place now. They can't lean on them like they did in '04. They're not taking a cut which, in essence, that is without making it up elsewhere, be that a bigger piece of the pie, or more dollars in their contracts.

I don't get why people want to TRADE for Skinner, I would rather wait a year and try to sign him as a Free Agent. I would love him on this team but trading for him for what could turn out to be only 1 Season isn't a smart thing to do, we aren't going to compete in the playoffs next Season so just keep what assets we have and either trade them for a High Pick or a Player/s with term or who have more team control (RFA). That's what I think we should do.

Happy for what? He didn't do anything yet.
- Wetbandit1

He gets one more chance to close it ..

I don't get why people want to TRADE for Skinner, I would rather wait a year and try to sign him as a Free Agent. I would love him on this team but trading for him for what could turn out to be only 1 Season isn't a smart thing to do, we aren't going to compete in the playoffs next Season so just keep what assets we have and either trade them for a High Pick or a Player/s with term or who have more team control (RFA). That's what I think we should do.
- Sabrehagan

The same people that want to trade for Skinner probably also want to trade Risto for him or Risto for Klefbom.

I don't get why people want to TRADE for Skinner, I would rather wait a year and try to sign him as a Free Agent. I would love him on this team but trading for him for what could turn out to be only 1 Season isn't a smart thing to do, we aren't going to compete in the playoffs next Season so just keep what assets we have and either trade them for a High Pick or a Player/s with term or who have more team control (RFA). That's what I think we should do.
- Sabrehagan

There obviously has to be a signed agreement with him and his agent before the trade

He gets one more chance to close it ..
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I bet you're the type of person to celebrate a one monthaversery. If you ever got there, that is.

Be happy for him when he wins something, not for staying alive for one more game.