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Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

May 16 @ 11:57 PM ET
Why do you guys think you need a right shot D? Don’t you just need someone that plays right side and moves the puck/ skates well?
T.J. Brodie is a left shot but prefers playing right side and quite frankly is better on the right. And he’d cost a hell of a lot less than Hamilton or Ekblad or any of the other suggestions that seem to be coming up here.

- TandA4Flames


TJ Brodie isn't a #1 D and never will be.

Because Babcock prefers RHD on the right side and it kind of makes sense.

Cost isn't a problem if it brings in the right guy. Cost is only a problem when you're getting a dime a dozen type player like Brodie whom the Leafs could get by developing their own players.

What's Sam Bennett cost?
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

May 16 @ 11:58 PM ET
Sounds like French was suggesting it.
- TandA4Flames


It's actually the opposite. Somebody said they wouldn't trade Kadri for Hamilton and he was proving how that's stupid.
.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

May 17 @ 12:01 AM ET
Costs Rielly Nylander +

Because Florida is stupid. I say that as their former coach and best player play for Vegas.

Ekblad is better than Rielly and if you can get Ekblad for and keep Rielly you do it every single time.

- Unholy_Goalie


Better.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

May 17 @ 12:07 AM ET
Better.
- .HOHO.


Either way is fine with me.
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

May 17 @ 12:12 AM ET
TJ Brodie isn't a #1 D and never will be.

Because Babcock prefers RHD on the right side and it kind of makes sense.

Cost isn't a problem if it brings in the right guy. Cost is only a problem when you're getting a dime a dozen type player like Brodie whom the Leafs could get by developing their own players.

What's Sam Bennett cost?

- Unholy_Goalie

Same issue GG had. Always playing the left shot right shot set up regardless of the player was better off handed. And isn’t Reilly your #1? He just needs a good support partner.
Dime a dozen. Do you watch hockey? Brodie is a legit top 3 D (at worst). Those guys aren’t dime a dozen. He had a down year playing his least preferred side with a guy he didn’t seem to mesh with. He was a legit top pair until Hamilton began to gel with Gio and Gully demanded his left-right preferences.
You know Bennett’s not D right? I’m not sure what he’s valued at here but he’s still only 21 with lots of talent so the return would have to be worth it. I’d do Kapanen straight across. We need right shot RW more than anything.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

May 17 @ 12:24 AM ET
Same issue GG had. Always playing the left shot right shot set up regardless of the player was better off handed. And isn’t Reilly your #1? He just needs a good support partner.
Dime a dozen. Do you watch hockey? Brodie is a legit top 3 D (at worst). Those guys aren’t dime a dozen. He had a down year playing his least preferred side with a guy he didn’t seem to mesh with. He was a legit top pair until Hamilton began to gel with Gio and Gully demanded his left-right preferences.
You know Bennett’s not D right? I’m not sure what he’s valued at here but he’s still only 21 with lots of talent so the return would have to be worth it. I’d do Kapanen straight across. We need right shot RW more than anything.

- TandA4Flames


Gardiner was #1 in ice-time.

Brodie isn't impressive. Nothing that Dermott can't become in time. If he's so good, why are you trying to peddle him off to the Leafs?

I know Bennett isn't a D, I just like his style.
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

May 17 @ 12:37 AM ET
Gardiner was #1 in ice-time.

Brodie isn't impressive. Nothing that Dermott can't become in time. If he's so good, why are you trying to peddle him off to the Leafs?

I know Bennett isn't a D, I just like his style.

- Unholy_Goalie

Calgary has several young guys ready to crack the line up (Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington for starters) and need top 9 RW. It seems a decent match with you guys because you have an abundance of younger right shooting RWs. Gotta give to get.
What would you give up for Bennett?
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

May 17 @ 12:46 AM ET
Calgary has several young guys ready to crack the line up (Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington for starters) and need top 9 RW. It seems a decent match with you guys because you have an abundance of younger right shooting RWs. Gotta give to get.
What would you give up for Bennett?

- TandA4Flames


Would rather have those three guys you listed. Brodie is too old, has a NTC, only 2 years left on his deal so he could walk and not really what they need which is a RHD.

Hyman or Brown.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

May 17 @ 4:58 AM ET
Cool so now we're getting Ekblad??

Nylander + Gardiner it is then.

Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 17 @ 8:13 AM ET
K.
I think Willie Knee-ender is too important of a player to trade.

- PatC80





Did you get permission to use that phrase
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 17 @ 8:16 AM ET
You could trade a forward and keep Rielly or you could trade Rielly and keep the forward. They're both viable options, it just depends on who you're acquiring and what the other team needs.

I don't have the 30 GMs on speed dial, so we don't know who is and isn't available. But Dougie Hamilton looks to be available according to some people so he should definitely be a target.

- Unholy_Goalie


So trade Rielly and play Gardiner 25 mins/game again....sounds logical.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 17 @ 8:26 AM ET
So trade Rielly and play Gardiner 25 mins/game again....sounds logical.
- Garnie

Polak plays 25min, get it right FFS
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 17 @ 8:52 AM ET
Frig I hate this fan base sometimes.

Gardiner was great all year. He had some highlite reel outlet passes and can skate out of the zone. Everything goes to poop for him because of game 7. I still blame a lot of that on andersen. There was one play where he kept his man to outside and Andersen let in a softie.

- bryant

Andersen could have better...but gardiner was a tire fire and the d were horrible.
Gardiner was garbage defensively all year and really almost any dman with an offensive upside could get 35-40 points with this team put in the same positions he was.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 17 @ 8:52 AM ET
ARIZONA SPORTS: Craig Morgan reports sources claim the Arizona Coyotes are discussing an eight-year contract extension with Oliver Ekman-Larsson. The 26-year-old defenseman is eligible in July 2019 to become an unrestricted free agent, but he can sign an extension on July 1 of this year. “While other teams, particularly those in Canadian or large U.S. markets, may be able to offer him a higher AAV if he were to reach unrestricted free agency, the lower cost of living in Arizona could mitigate those differences,” writes Morgan.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: This doesn’t surprise me. During the season, Ekman-Larsson expressed his willingness to re-sign with the Coyotes, who are keen to retain him. As per Cap Friendly, the annual average value of his current contract is $5.5 million, though in actual salary he’s making $6.5 million this season and $7 million for 2018-19.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he get something between $8-$9 million per season with the Coyotes. Looks like teams seeking a skilled top-two defenseman (Hello there, Edmonton Oilers and Toronto Maple Leafs) will have to look elsewhere this summer.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 17 @ 8:55 AM ET
Costs Rielly+

Because Florida is stupid. I say that as their former coach and best player play for Vegas.

Ekblad is better than Rielly and if you can get Ekblad for Rielly you do it every single time.

- Unholy_Goalie

Umm Florida isn't that stupid.
They aren't trading ekblad.
.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

May 17 @ 9:04 AM ET
Umm Florida isn't that stupid.
They aren't trading ekblad.

- Fakepartofme



Exactly... The cost to get him really is a mute point!

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 17 @ 9:14 AM ET
Umm Florida isn't that stupid.
They aren't trading ekblad.

- Fakepartofme

who did they protect over Marchessault?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 17 @ 9:14 AM ET
Costs Rielly+

Because Florida is stupid. I say that as their former coach and best player play for Vegas.

Ekblad is better than Rielly and if you can get Ekblad for Rielly you do it every single time.

- Unholy_Goalie

Barkov plays for Vegas?
matt1337
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 925K. Talented player. (Lehtonen) Santo_44, ON
Joined: 09.28.2010

May 17 @ 9:18 AM ET
Exactly... The cost to get him really is a mute point!


- .HOHO.


Can we just focus on getting McKeown out of Carolina? His cost will be less than pesce, slavin, or faulk, and he can develop with our young guys. Those guys are all 24+, whereas McKeown is only 22. Pair him with Dermott on the 3rd pair and watch them develop into a solid 2nd pairing for years to come.

Liljegren is a couple years away but he will probably be paired with rielly. I don't think they need to do anything crazy this summer, but trading for McKeown would be a great pickup for sure.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

May 17 @ 9:18 AM ET
Exactly... The cost to get him really is a mute point!


- .HOHO.



Are you trying to saying its a point that can't be heard because the call will never be made?
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

May 17 @ 9:22 AM ET
Pietrangelo, Kyrou and Berglund

for

Nylander, Kapanen and Gardiner
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

May 17 @ 9:23 AM ET
Can we just focus on getting McKeown out of Carolina? His cost will be less than pesce, slavin, or faulk, and he can develop with our young guys. Those guys are all 24+, whereas McKeown is only 22. Pair him with Dermott on the 3rd pair and watch them develop into a solid 2nd pairing for years to come.

Liljegren is a couple years away but he will probably be paired with rielly. I don't think they need to do anything crazy this summer, but trading for McKeown would be a great pickup for sure.

- matt1337

Don't worry they can't do anything stupid, nobody's coming here.
taxes you know.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

May 17 @ 9:35 AM ET
ARIZONA SPORTS: Craig Morgan reports sources claim the Arizona Coyotes are discussing an eight-year contract extension with Oliver Ekman-Larsson. The 26-year-old defenseman is eligible in July 2019 to become an unrestricted free agent, but he can sign an extension on July 1 of this year. “While other teams, particularly those in Canadian or large U.S. markets, may be able to offer him a higher AAV if he were to reach unrestricted free agency, the lower cost of living in Arizona could mitigate those differences,” writes Morgan.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: This doesn’t surprise me. During the season, Ekman-Larsson expressed his willingness to re-sign with the Coyotes, who are keen to retain him. As per Cap Friendly, the annual average value of his current contract is $5.5 million, though in actual salary he’s making $6.5 million this season and $7 million for 2018-19.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he get something between $8-$9 million per season with the Coyotes. Looks like teams seeking a skilled top-two defenseman (Hello there, Edmonton Oilers and Toronto Maple Leafs) will have to look elsewhere this summer.

- Symba007


As someone who lives in the valley, I can tell you that it's a pretty nice place to live. Especially during the hockey season. If winning doesn't matter to the player there's definitely worse choices.. probably why Doan stayed for his whole career. I'm no sports psychologist, but there's definitely players who are just in it for the paycheque.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 17 @ 9:46 AM ET
Byfuglien would be great to have. No chance he's traded. Rag dolled two knights lol
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

May 17 @ 9:46 AM ET
Byfuglien would be great to have. No chance he's traded. Rag dolled two knights lol
- Fakepartofme


Agreed, but they will need to trade someone. They are going to be in cap hell soon.
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