I was more talking about their cap hits and the fact that this team could potentially jump up quickly if they weren't weighed down by those deals.

RoR gets talked about as if he's amazingly overpaid even though we have Bogo sitting at his house for 5.4M.
- RhinoFan

one can be moved for assets, the other can't be moved with assets. Nobody's disputing the fact that bogo is worse for this team.

Per cap friendly, Casey Nelson has five more games of waiver exemption.

1) No
2) We can without trading RoR
3) Mittelstadt has won the Calder already I see

Sorry, I'm being a d-bag. I just think he fits the mold of a perfect 1-2 punch with Jack that I'm not fond of the idea of trading him. Okposo and Bogo are weighing this team down, not RoR. Just 2 cents.
- RhinoFan

He is slow and doesnt make his wingers better at all.

Im sure we can get a passenger who can swing the puck on the power play for much less than 7.5mil

St. Louis makes sense because in order to be an effective 1B/2A center, his wingers have to do the scoring. They have that.

He can't make your average winger better.
- sbroads24

When Wilson came here, he was pointless in 17 games. ROR made him better, and he almost out-produced gus in 2/3rds as many games. This narrative that he doesn't make others better is false

one can be moved for assets, the other can't be moved with assets. Nobody's disputing the fact that bogo is worse for this team.
- Sabresfan-365

But one of the biggest knocks I keep hearing is how he is overpaid. If we are so worried about the cap, I would imagine Okposo would be the obvious target, not RoR.

When Wilson came here, he was pointless in 17 games. ROR made him better, and almost out-produced gus in 2/3rds as many games. This narrative that he doesn't make others better is false
- jcragcrumple

pointless in 17 games of fourth line minutes. of course he will get more points with 3x the ice time

He is slow and doesnt make his wingers better at all.

Im sure we can get a passenger who can swing the puck on the power play for much less than 7.5mil
- Shadman306

Team Canada doesn't think he's a passenger.

pointless in 17 games of fourth line minutes. of course he will get more points with 3x the ice time
- Shadman306

I'm not gonna get into pissing contest number 308 about it, but ROR made Wilson better. That's a fact

I'm not gonna get into pissing contest number 308 about it, but ROR made Wilson better. That's a fact
- jcragcrumple

maybe the other winger made wilson better

I just want to say, we got Dahlin. None of this poop matters any more.

Team Canada doesn't think he's a passenger.
- RhinoFan

Hes playing bottom 6 wing. How will they win faceoffs?

maybe the other winger made wilson better
- Shadman306

C'mon dude. Wilson isn't a top 6 on any other team, and ROR made him look pretty good. At least give the guy a little credit

C'mon dude. Wilson isn't a top 6 on any other team, and ROR made him look pretty good. At least give the guy a little credit
- jcragcrumple

You don’t think Reinhart had any effect?

You don’t think Reinhart had any effect?
- Shadman306

Sure. I like Reinhart too. I'm not gonna change your mind on this. I just don't like the attitude around here that once a player is labeled an undesirable, any and all negatives can be attached to him. This "doesn't make people better" argument is right up there with "he's not the problem, but he's not the solution either." He's definitely part of a solution (maybe not here, but he could be), and he definitely makes people better imo. Scott Wilson is living proof, before and after his trade

Per cap friendly, Casey Nelson has five more games of waiver exemption.
- TheSabresTaco

5 more games OR 3 seasons

This was his third season, but it's not officially complete yet. He has to clear waivers next season.

When Wilson came here, he was pointless in 17 games. ROR made him better, and he almost out-produced gus in 2/3rds as many games. This narrative that he doesn't make others better is false
- jcragcrumple

20 games of Scott Wilson over an 8 year career doesn’t hold too much water

That’s too much for #3
- jdfitz77

Agreed

I would like #3 and Galchenyuk for #8 and ROR

C'mon dude. Wilson isn't a top 6 on any other team, and ROR made him look pretty good. At least give the guy a little credit
- jcragcrumple

In 107 5 on 5 minutes with Evan Rodrigues he had 5 points
In 228 minutes with O’Reilly he had.....5 points

No, he didn’t make him better

Sure. I like Reinhart too. I'm not gonna change your mind on this. I just don't like the attitude around here that once a player is labeled an undesirable, any and all negatives can be attached to him. This "doesn't make people better" argument is right up there with "he's not the problem, but he's not the solution either." He's definitely part of a solution (maybe not here, but he could be), and he definitely makes people better imo. Scott Wilson is living proof, before and after his trade
- jcragcrumple

The numbers are readily available for you.

Wilson did the same in half the time with Evan Rodrigues.

St. Louis makes sense because in order to be an effective 1B/2A center, his wingers have to do the scoring. They have that.

He can't make your average winger better.
- sbroads24

Didn’t Reinhart take off after playing with Ryan?

Team Canada doesn't think he's a passenger.
- RhinoFan

Agreed

I would like #3 and Galchenyuk for #8 and ROR
- Stripes77

That’s more reasonable
What’s 8 cost us though?

That’s more reasonable
What’s 8 cost us though?
- jdfitz77

Probably Reinhart or Risto

Probably Reinhart or Risto
- Stripes77

So basically,
Reinhart & O’Reilly
for
#3 (Zadina) & Galchenyuk

Yeah, I’d do that bc of our needs at the wing
But then we better at least get someone like Bozak for defensive Center responsibilities
Unless we think E Rod can do that?

Definitely not trading Risto bc that just creates another hole on defense

So basically,
Reinhart & O’Reilly
for
#3 (Zadina) & Galchenyuk

Yeah, I’d do that bc of our needs at the wing
But then we better at least get someone like Bozak for defensive Center responsibilities
Unless we think E Rod can do that?

Definitely not trading Risto bc that just creates another hole on defense
- jdfitz77

It's interesting to think about but out of all 3 Reinhart Risto ROR the one I want to trade the least is Reinhart unless his contract demands are crazy.

I also understand not wanting to move Risto. But what if moving ROR and Risto means you get Glachenyuk Zadina and can afford Carlson?