What gets me most is that we're arguing over semantics like did he leave his feet or did he touch the shoulder (which miraculously wasn't broken since that's what really got hit). If the type of hits that Wilson and other that repeatedly concuss players even though we're supposed to believe they aren't trying to are legal, they need to change the rules. This league is garbage about actually protecting players.
Looked real similar to the way Coots was taken down in game 6 of the Flyers series no when the Pens went up 6-4 I believe? Got to love that Karma thing. - TheRat14
I'd say the one on Courtier was worse and most of the people on here said immediately that should have been a penalty so what's your point?
If you actually look at WHO posts, you'll see 2 or 3 guys who have homer glasses are making most of the posts when there is a controversial call. They always take the Pens side but don't speak for the majority of us.
Looked real similar to the way Coots was taken down in game 6 of the Flyers series no when the Pens went up 6-4 I believe? Got to love that Karma thing. - TheRat14
Yes it does, both were penalties that led to goals.
I guess you can agree with us that the league is a joke?
Or maybe you'll become one of those fans that will come here after every non-call we complain about and say "oh but you remember letang on couturier in 2018? that was also supposed to be a penalty and it wasnt, KARMAAAA!!!"
Looked real similar to the way Coots was taken down in game 6 of the Flyers series no when the Pens went up 6-4 I believe? Got to love that Karma thing. - TheRat14
I know I do. Especially after Briere was offside in '12.
I know I do. Especially after Briere was offside in '12. - acdc1206
I got to agree with you on that one. He was off by a country mile. That was Karma for Leon Stickle blowing a more blatant offside call in 1981 game 6 of the cup finals in which the Isles don the cup over the Flyers.
In the Briere case, the Penguins were unfortunately collateral damage casualties of karma making a corrective non-call for the Flyers.
What gets me most is that we're arguing over semantics like did he leave his feet or did he touch the shoulder (which miraculously wasn't broken since that's what really got hit). If the type of hits that Wilson and other that repeatedly concuss players even though we're supposed to believe they aren't trying to are legal, they need to change the rules. This league is garbage about actually protecting players. - Tojo.
This particular hit was a borderline hit that ended really, really badly and should have resulted in a penalty regardless of outcome. That being said, the case for whether or not Wilson was targeting the head is iffy, so this specific hit in a vacuums I'd probably pump the breaks with suspension talk.
The thing is that this isn't in a vacuum and its Tom freaking Wilson we're talking about. We know who he is. We know he's a predator and we know he hits to injure. He's accumulated a ton of these borderline hits and constantly has douchebag reactions afterward where he's laughs at players he's downed. The specific hits themselves may stop short of straight up Raffi Torres level, but through his body of work he's made his intentions clear that he relishes hurting people and intends to lay the dirtiest hit he possibly can while still getting away with it.
I wish there was a system in place with the DOPS that could nail guys like Tom Wilson, Matt Cooke, and James Neal based on body of work rather than singular moments like last night that may or may not have been egregious. I don't know how you'd go about that, but this is Tom's third predatory hit and second player he's injured out these playoffs. He deserves a suspension that goes beyond just what this specific hit warrants.
I think the most maddening part of DoPS decisions is they base if a player was injured or not on the play. That is asinine. Thats like unloading a clip from an AR while doing a drive by and not being penalized because no one was hit.
This particular hit was a borderline hit that ended really, really badly and should have resulted in a penalty regardless of outcome. That being said, the case for whether or not Wilson was targeting the head is iffy, so this specific hit in a vacuums I'd probably pump the breaks with suspension talk.
The thing is that this isn't in a vacuum and its Tom freaking Wilson we're talking about. We know who he is. We know he's a predator and we know he hits to injure. He's accumulated a ton of these borderline hits and constantly has douchebag reactions afterward where he's laughs at players he's downed. The specific hits themselves may stop short of straight up Raffi Torres level, but through his body of work he's made his intentions clear that he relishes hurting people and intends to lay the dirtiest hit he possibly can while still getting away with it.
I wish there was a system in place with the DOPS that could nail guys like Tom Wilson, Matt Cooke, and James Neal based on body of work rather than singular moments like last night that may or may not have been egregious. I don't know how you'd go about that, but this is Tom's third predatory hit and second player he's injured out these playoffs. He deserves a suspension that goes beyond just what this specific hit warrants. - Victoro311
I agree that is a good take. When the same player keeps getting involved in these borderline hits, it's not an accident, it's a pattern of behavior.
I agree that is a good take. When the same player keeps getting involved in these borderline hits, it's not an accident, it's a pattern of behavior. - Tojo.
The player also loses the benefit of the doubt. Wennberg, Dumo, ZAR. Three incidents in a 9 game span.
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But, according to RW, you can't have guys that were goons making decisions about what plays are penalties/warrant supplemental discipline. - jmatchett383
He's not making decisions though and turned down an offer to be in that position, or involved in the process.
I think the most maddening part of DoPS decisions is they base if a player was injured or not on the play. That is asinine. Thats like unloading a clip from an AR while doing a drive by and not being penalized because no one was hit. - TheRat14
Nope, it doesn't make any sense. Then again not making any sense is something that we've all come to expect from DoPS.
But, according to RW, you can't have guys that were goons making decisions about what plays are penalties/warrant supplemental discipline. - jmatchett383
I think it depends on who we're talking about. Dan Carcillo was an ex-scum bag who's had a legitimate change of heart. George Paros was a goon but was't dirty. A true enforcer and the epitome of hockey culture. Car Bomb may have been a deplorable player, but I'm trusting the guy actively speaking out about a lot of stuff classic hockey guys sweep under a rug over the cleaner player any day of the week.
He's not making decisions though and turned down an offer to be in that position, or involved in the process. - MattStrat
But how can you even value the opinion of someone like him? He was a dirty player, so clearly, he would not be able to discern if a play was dirty or not. Right?
Because if so, it would seem (to me) that a dirty player/goon would be the PERFECT person to put in charge of the DOPS based on the "takes one to know one" principle.
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But how can you even value the opinion of someone like him? He was a dirty player, so clearly, he would not be able to discern if a play was dirty or not. Right?
Because if so, it would seem (to me) that a dirty player/goon would be the PERFECT person to put in charge of the DOPS based on the "takes one to know one" principle. - jmatchett383
I dont really value his opinion or him as a decent human being at this moment but I do respect his take on this which helps with the valuing of the two things I mentioned.
I love Breaking Bad, but man do people love to overrate it and call it the best show of all time. There are only two acceptable answers: The Sopranos or the Wire. Breaking Bad maybe cracks the top 5 at exactly 5.
