Archaic
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Location: Waterloo, ON Joined: 01.12.2011
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I barely remember the previous years honestly, but I thought they made a lot of questionable roster decisions did they not?
Everybody knew the year Babs won gold that that team would be the most structured and defensively adept unit perhaps in the history of hockey.
I agree that a coach can matter a lot and push good teams to do great things, but sometimes, great teams only need a good coach to win. - UsernameUnknown
No the rosters were not questionable, just the results. They lost with superstar lineups. Coaching made a big difference IMO. Good coaches know how to manage that kind of roster, not all coaches can. |
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UsernameUnknown
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: Gotta' Catch Em All! Joined: 03.25.2013
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Exactly
So every player coach and gm has flaws?
but Babs is allowed to have flaws right? Make mistakes?
If this is the case then you agree with everything I have been saying.
why? because the difference between Babs and his flaws to any other coaches and their flaws is that Babs has the resume to back it up. - Santo_44
I'm trying to remember how all this even started to be honest
I know Reverend Genius said putting Pleks on line 2 will bring us our Doom but I disagree with that until it happens. That being said, Babcock has made poor choices and is being outcoached this series. So far. And if we could recognize these flaws, we'd be better for it. As good as we are, there is obviously room for improvement.
However, tides will turn tonight and we'll get a groove on. |
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mel_vin
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 07.11.2007
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The officiating those first 2 games did not help. Not making excuses here, but wtf.
And Marchand and his kissing. Leo needs to start his #MeToo movment. |
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RickJames77
Boston Bruins |
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Location: We’re Too Old, Boston Joined: 04.03.2013
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The officiating those first 2 games did not help. Not making excuses here, but wtf.
And Marchand and his kissing. Leo needs to start his #MeToo movment. - mel_vin
OMG enough with the fake news....
That was a lick god damnit, not a kiss. |
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UsernameUnknown
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: Gotta' Catch Em All! Joined: 03.25.2013
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Who would you match up against Bergeron
serious question - Santo_44
Kadri, ideally
But seriously I'm more mad at the fact that he put Komarov on the top line and PP. Pleks is sadly our best bet, but I don't think he'll fair any better than Marleau. Either one would need defensively adept wingers for support or they're screwed either way. I hope Marner is up to the task. Something like Hyman - Pleks - Brown would fair better, in my humblest of opinions. |
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Drapz
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Windsor, ON Joined: 07.10.2007
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I'm trying to remember how all this even started to be honest
I know Reverend Genius said putting Pleks on line 2 will bring us our Doom but I disagree with that until it happens. That being said, Babcock has made poor choices and is being outcoached this series. So far. And if we could recognize these flaws, we'd be better for it. As good as we are, there is obviously room for improvement.
However, tides will turn tonight and we'll get a groove on. - UsernameUnknown
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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON Joined: 02.26.2007
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UsernameUnknown
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: Gotta' Catch Em All! Joined: 03.25.2013
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- Drapz
There isn't one in my opinion. Everyone has sucked.
Edit: But I will emphasize the suckage brought upon us by Zaitsev, Hainsey and McElsen. The lackluster special teams and a couple poor coaching decisions. Everybody else not mentioned still don't get a free pass. The whole team has to step up. |
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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON Joined: 02.26.2007
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What I'd like to know is what we'll all be talking about tomorrow morning if Plecs ends up +3 with a goal and and 2 assists tonight on way to beating the Bruins 3-0? - Pen15
I think that would match his points total for the whole season |
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shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: NS Joined: 07.05.2015
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I dare you to find a single poster who says Babcock is a horrible coach.
You'll find a lot who think he has flaws, like literally every player and coach in the league. - UsernameUnknown
It’s my belief that if Babs coached the Oilers this year they’d be playing now instead of watching. And the Leafs would be golfing. |
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Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 07.18.2012
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Apparently he's being matched against Krejci so that leaves that Matthews line on Bergeron?
I don't know how I feel about that from a Leafs' perspective. Not necessarily on the defensive side alone, but because Matthews and Nylander will be lined up with Bergeron, Marchand, and Pasta (who has taken leaps an bounds in his 200ft game this year). My two cents - RickJames77
Well he has history against Krejci so there is hope he can step up to the plate. Line matching only works so much it's still highly situational. All changes that don't happen on a face-off tend to expose lines, wingers go then the center.
There will be times where Plek likely sees Bergeron on a defensive zone face-off with the intent of a quick out then change on the fly. Babs is going to go all out with line shuffling tonight, due to desperation. A big risk is coverage breakdown due to it. |
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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 10.20.2014
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Kadri, ideally
But seriously I'm more mad at the fact that he put Komarov on the top line and PP. Pleks is sadly our best bet, but I don't think he'll fair any better than Marleau. Either one would need defensively adept wingers for support or they're screwed either way. I hope Marner is up to the task. Something like Hyman - Pleks - Brown would fair better, in my humblest of opinions. - UsernameUnknown
I think the Bergeron line is too good just to have guys who can defend well and backcheck well, I think you need Marner to help keep the Bergeron line in their own end as much as you can.
It defeats the purpose if they are in our end all night |
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UsernameUnknown
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: Gotta' Catch Em All! Joined: 03.25.2013
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It’s my belief that if Babs coached the Oilers this year they’d be playing now instead of watching. And the Leafs would be golfing. - shack67
I can respect your opnion but disagree. That's overemphasizing the importance of a coach. But I will meet you in the middle and say they'd both miss at roughly 9th in their conference. Leafs would be worse and Oilers, better. |
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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 04.22.2014
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Kadri, ideally
But seriously I'm more mad at the fact that he put Komarov on the top line and PP. Pleks is sadly our best bet, but I don't think he'll fair any better than Marleau. Either one would need defensively adept wingers for support or they're screwed either way. I hope Marner is up to the task. Something like Hyman - Pleks - Brown would fair better, in my humblest of opinions. - UsernameUnknown
Yeah I don't get why Babcock thought Komarov on the PP again was going to be beneficial.
Pleks can show up but so can Matthews. If he wants to be considered a top guy in the game then he has to play against and beat the best.
He could be injured but he's useless out there if he is. |
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Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 07.18.2012
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Kadri, ideally
But seriously I'm more mad at the fact that he put Komarov on the top line and PP. Pleks is sadly our best bet, but I don't think he'll fair any better than Marleau. Either one would need defensively adept wingers for support or they're screwed either way. I hope Marner is up to the task. Something like Hyman - Pleks - Brown would fair better, in my humblest of opinions. - UsernameUnknown
I have NHL gamecenter and I'm on days off so I re-watched the first period for some sort of sick sadistic pleasure. I'd say likely 3/4 of all zone entries were dump and chase.
Is it fair to say that most of us thought the Komarov-Matthews-Nylander line came out firing in the first 5 minutes? Hyman will be back on the top line by far their best puck retrieval guy.
Brown hasn't played particularly bad, but he has been a little disappointing on retrieval. He looks small out there. Tenacious but small. |
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UsernameUnknown
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: Gotta' Catch Em All! Joined: 03.25.2013
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I think the Bergeron line is too good just to have guys who can defend well and backcheck well, I think you need Marner to help keep the Bergeron line in their own end as much as you can.
It defeats the purpose if they are in our end all night - Santo_44
It's a good idea and if that's how Babs sees it, then I hope it works, and we'll find out tonight. I'd rather Marner get easier competition to produce more offensively, which we've also been severely lacking. It's a tough spot to be in. |
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Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 07.18.2012
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Yeah I don't get why Babcock thought Komarov on the PP again was going to be beneficial.
Pleks can show up but so can Matthews. If he wants to be considered a top guy in the game then he has to play against and beat the best.
He could be injured but he's useless out there if he is. - Aaron_85
He leads the team in shots through 2 games, not that corsi is be all end all but that doesn't qualify as useless. |
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SofaKingBored
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Halifax, NS Joined: 10.13.2006
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Guess I'll put my new Leafs turtleneck on... |
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Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 06.01.2011
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It's a good idea and if that's how Babs sees it, then I hope it works, and we'll find out tonight. I'd rather Marner get easier competition to produce more offensively, which we've also been severely lacking. It's a tough spot to be in. - UsernameUnknown
I would've personally put Marner with JVR and Bozak.
Would've sicked Brown on the Bergeron line. He has more compete level. |
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What I'd like to know is what we'll all be talking about tomorrow morning if Plecs ends up +3 with a goal and and 2 assists tonight on way to beating the Bruins 3-0? - Pen15
'bout time he showed up
see what happens when he plays with skilled players
blah blah blah
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UsernameUnknown
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: Gotta' Catch Em All! Joined: 03.25.2013
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I have NHL gamecenter and I'm on days off so I re-watched the first period for some sort of sick sadistic pleasure. I'd say likely 3/4 of all zone entries were dump and chase.
Is it fair to say that most of us thought the Komarov-Matthews-Nylander line came out firing in the first 5 minutes? Hyman will be back on the top line by far their best puck retrieval guy.
Brown hasn't played particularly bad, but he has been a little disappointing on retrieval. He looks small out there. Tenacious but small. - Blazed
It sucks Boston is so good at neutralizing us in the neutral zone. That was our most effective way to gain the zone throughout the season. Just skate it in with speed. We're a small team that isn't great at puck retrieval. If we do get it, we can cycle surprisingly well for our size Boston is a tough match
I would have liked the more exciting and open north/south game against Tampa, even if we lost that series too. |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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I've said it before.
This series will be a learning experience for Matthews.
Being stuck with Bergeron all the time will make him look for ways to counter him, to improve on himself.
Leafs might lose, but it might be beneficial for the player in the long run. |
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shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: NS Joined: 07.05.2015
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I can respect your opnion but disagree. That's overemphasizing the importance of a coach. But I will meet you in the middle and say they'd both miss at roughly 9th in their conference. Leafs would be worse and Oilers, better. - UsernameUnknown
We went from 30th to 105 pts in two years. That’s on Babs, nobody saw that coming. A bunch of kids and nobody even close to being a number one D.
But we’re down two games to the Bruins and the pitchforks are out.
Sometimes I hate Leafs fans. |
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Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 07.18.2012
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It sucks Boston is so good at neutralizing us in the neutral zone. That was our most effective way to gain the zone throughout the season. Just skate it in with speed. We're a small team that isn't great at puck retrieval. If we do get it, we can cycle surprisingly well for our size Boston is a tough match
I would have liked the more exciting and open north/south game against Tampa, even if we lost that series too. - UsernameUnknown
Tampa would've been a better matchup. If it's Boston vs Tampa I still have my money on Boston.
I'm not sure the Leafs have pulled off a single successful stretch pass entry yet through 2 games, a big part of their success in the regular season. |
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Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 06.01.2011
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I've said it before.
This series will be a learning experience for Matthews.
Being stuck with Bergeron all the time will make him look for ways to counter him, to improve on himself.
Leafs might lose, but it might be beneficial for the player in the long run. - Scabeh
I agree. I'd also be giving Kap and Johansen (sp) more ice time. The experience is invaluable for the future. |
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