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arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 5 @ 9:03 AM ET
Welp with our poopy weekend trip to Florida and the 76ers collapse last night, I’d say the damn storm/wind blew the post-SB winning atmosphere right out of philly
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Mar 5 @ 9:10 AM ET
Welp with our poopy weekend trip to Florida and the 76ers collapse last night, I’d say the damn storm/wind blew the post-SB winning atmosphere right out of philly
- arichardson22



It is officially terrible again.

Personally, I think Saturday's again was the worse of the two weekend games. In Tampa, they had two 2 goal leads and still didn't come away with 2 points. I haven't screamed at the TV like that in awhile.

Yesterday's game they were never really in it.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 5 @ 9:18 AM ET
It is officially terrible again.

Personally, I think Saturday's again was the worse of the two weekend games. In Tampa, they had two 2 goal leads and still didn't come away with 2 points. I haven't screamed at the TV like that in awhile.

Yesterday's game they were never really in it.

- hockeylover



While I get what you are saying 1 point is better than no points.

Need Ghost and Coots to return to form a bit..
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 5 @ 9:24 AM ET
It is officially terrible again.

Personally, I think Saturday's again was the worse of the two weekend games. In Tampa, they had two 2 goal leads and still didn't come away with 2 points. I haven't screamed at the TV like that in awhile.

Yesterday's game they were never really in it.

- hockeylover


I agree Saturday was worse. Aside from blowing two 2 goal leads as you mentioned, beating the top team in the NHL could have been a great victory (without our “full” roster) to build off of and instead, we shot ourselves in both feet and collapsed.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 5 @ 9:29 AM ET
I agree Saturday was worse. Aside from blowing two 2 goal leads as you mentioned, beating the top team in the NHL could have been a great victory (without our “full” roster) to build off of and instead, we shot ourselves in both feet and collapsed.
- arichardson22



It didn't help that we never really got any momentum saves in either game. It seems like Mrazek couldn't come up with the big save when we really needed him to.

Sometimes you need the goalie to stone that breakaway. I understand it's better to not have the breakaway to begin with, but in the end it's the elite goalies that bail you out when the breakdowns occur, that is what makes them elite.


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 5 @ 9:38 AM ET
I'm trying to forget this weekend so I'm going to take a quick look at some intriguing prospects that may be available if the Blues pick ends up in that 11-13 range.
This is not in any order of preference:

Quinton Hughes D 5'10 175
Yeah, he's small, but that's about the only drawback there is with this guy. He is an excellent skater with fantastic puck skills and the smarts to take over and control a game from the back end.

Evan Bouchard D 6'2 192
He's still filling out and needs to get stronger but he is the complete package. Not as dynamic as Hughes, but he just does everything very well. He's extremely start and very advanced defensively for his age. He also has very good skills and wheels and by all scouts accounts that I have seen, an A+ work ethic too.

Rasmus Kupari C 5'11 165
Kupari has fantastic puck skills, a good shot along with very good wheels and hockey sense. As with most kids, he needs to get stronger, but he's pretty close to can't miss when it comes to being, at the very least, a solid NHL forward with solid top 6 potential.

Joel Farabee LW 5'11 161
This kids simply has off the charts hockey sense and smarts and if he were a little bigger and stronger would likely be going in the top 5. He's blessed with great wheels and very good skills and with his smarts, he's pretty much a can't miss prospect. He's got top 6, and potentially top line winger ability.

Isac Lundestrom C 6'0 185
Another guy with great hockey sense and smarts who already plays a complete, mature game. He also is a very good skater with very good skills and good size too.

What I like about all of these guys is each and every one is rated between very high and off the chart when it comes to hockey sense and smarts. All are also good to excellent skaters and all have good to excellent skills. I'd be happy to see any of these guys added to our prospect pool.

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 5 @ 9:40 AM ET
It didn't help that we never really got any momentum saves in either game. It seems like Mrazek couldn't come up with the big save when we really needed him to.

Sometimes you need the goalie to stone that breakaway. I understand it's better to not have the breakaway to begin with, but in the end it's the elite goalies that bail you out when the breakdowns occur, that is what makes them elite.

- MBFlyerfan


Good point. You just aren't going to win too many games on the road against top teams and/or red hot teams without your goalie making some 10 bell/momentum changing saves. Mrazek came up short in that dept, especially on Saturday. Yesterday though, it might not have mattered who was in our net, the Flyers just played a very poor game in pretty much all 3 zones.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 5 @ 9:48 AM ET
What I like about all of these guys is each and every one is rated between very high and off the chart when it comes to hockey sense and smarts. All are also good to excellent skaters and all have good to excellent skills. I'd be happy to see any of these guys added to our prospect pool.
- BiggE

I think Hughes and Bouchard will be gone for sure. Kupari someone might fall in love with...depends which team is there. I like Joe Veleno more now
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 5 @ 9:50 AM ET
I'm expecting a big time ramp up and response from this team on Wednesday. I'm more concerned by the weak goals let in then I am on the breakaways. I agree that you need some momentum saves and that can really boost a team but weak goals can also break a team. One or two saves on shots that were makeable saves would've meant a win in TB.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 5 @ 9:57 AM ET
Lottery update: Isles have poop the bed. They are 9 and Rags are 10. St. Louis is 14.

Isles may actually get two chances at winning the lottery with Calgary on the outside looking in (Hamonic trade)
all-pgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 05.14.2014

Mar 5 @ 10:08 AM ET
Good point. You just aren't going to win too many games on the road against top teams and/or red hot teams without your goalie making some 10 bell/momentum changing saves. Mrazek came up short in that dept, especially on Saturday. Yesterday though, it might not have mattered who was in our net, the Flyers just played a very poor game in pretty much all 3 zones.
- BiggE
Which is why I thought they should have started the backup and let the chips fall where they may. After a wild game on Sat and then having to play a really hot Panthers team the next day was a really tall task imo. Now Mzrak has 11 goals in two games hanging over his head and facing the Pens next.
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Mar 5 @ 10:09 AM ET

Isac Lundestrom C 6'0 185
Another guy with great hockey sense and smarts who already plays a complete, mature game. He also is a very good skater with very good skills and good size too.

- BiggE


After watching him at the WJC this year and seeing that he's been playing in the SHL for two years now, I really want this kid. He seems to know when to push the play and when to be patient with the puck. Also from everything I've read on him, he seems to have a crazy good work ethic and is looking to improve himself every time he steps on the ice.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 5 @ 10:09 AM ET
I think Hughes and Bouchard will be gone for sure. Kupari someone might fall in love with...depends which team is there. I like Joe Veleno more now
- YuenglingJagr


Veleno would have probably been next on my list. Love his work ethic and hockey sense. Just don't think he's quite as skilled as Kupari or Farabee but if we landed him at 12 or 13, I'm not going to complain.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 5 @ 10:10 AM ET
After watching him at the WJC this year and seeing that he's been playing in the SHL for two years now, I really want this kid. He seems to know when to push the play and when to be patient with the puck. Also from everything I've read on him, he seems to have a crazy good work ethic and is looking to improve himself every time he steps on the ice.
- ajw12


Yup, there is nothing not to like about this kid.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 5 @ 10:11 AM ET
I'm trying to forget this weekend so I'm going to take a quick look at some intriguing prospects that may be available if the Blues pick ends up in that 11-13 range.
This is not in any order of preference:

Quinton Hughes D 5'10 175
Yeah, he's small, but that's about the only drawback there is with this guy. He is an excellent skater with fantastic puck skills and the smarts to take over and control a game from the back end.

Evan Bouchard D 6'2 192
He's still filling out and needs to get stronger but he is the complete package. Not as dynamic as Hughes, but he just does everything very well. He's extremely start and very advanced defensively for his age. He also has very good skills and wheels and by all scouts accounts that I have seen, an A+ work ethic too.

Rasmus Kupari C 5'11 165
Kupari has fantastic puck skills, a good shot along with very good wheels and hockey sense. As with most kids, he needs to get stronger, but he's pretty close to can't miss when it comes to being, at the very least, a solid NHL forward with solid top 6 potential.

Joel Farabee LW 5'11 161
This kids simply has off the charts hockey sense and smarts and if he were a little bigger and stronger would likely be going in the top 5. He's blessed with great wheels and very good skills and with his smarts, he's pretty much a can't miss prospect. He's got top 6, and potentially top line winger ability.

Isac Lundestrom C 6'0 185
Another guy with great hockey sense and smarts who already plays a complete, mature game. He also is a very good skater with very good skills and good size too.

What I like about all of these guys is each and every one is rated between very high and off the chart when it comes to hockey sense and smarts. All are also good to excellent skaters and all have good to excellent skills. I'd be happy to see any of these guys added to our prospect pool.

- BiggE


Appreciate your description of these players! Any thoughts on whether Hexy would package both first rounders to move up into the top 10? Would it even be worth it?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 5 @ 10:13 AM ET
I'm trying to forget this weekend so I'm going to take a quick look at some intriguing prospects that may be available if the Blues pick ends up in that 11-13 range.
This is not in any order of preference:

Quinton Hughes D 5'10 175
Yeah, he's small, but that's about the only drawback there is with this guy. He is an excellent skater with fantastic puck skills and the smarts to take over and control a game from the back end.

Evan Bouchard D 6'2 192
He's still filling out and needs to get stronger but he is the complete package. Not as dynamic as Hughes, but he just does everything very well. He's extremely start and very advanced defensively for his age. He also has very good skills and wheels and by all scouts accounts that I have seen, an A+ work ethic too.

Rasmus Kupari C 5'11 165
Kupari has fantastic puck skills, a good shot along with very good wheels and hockey sense. As with most kids, he needs to get stronger, but he's pretty close to can't miss when it comes to being, at the very least, a solid NHL forward with solid top 6 potential.

Joel Farabee LW 5'11 161
This kids simply has off the charts hockey sense and smarts and if he were a little bigger and stronger would likely be going in the top 5. He's blessed with great wheels and very good skills and with his smarts, he's pretty much a can't miss prospect. He's got top 6, and potentially top line winger ability.

Isac Lundestrom C 6'0 185
Another guy with great hockey sense and smarts who already plays a complete, mature game. He also is a very good skater with very good skills and good size too.

What I like about all of these guys is each and every one is rated between very high and off the chart when it comes to hockey sense and smarts. All are also good to excellent skaters and all have good to excellent skills. I'd be happy to see any of these guys added to our prospect pool.

- BiggE


Calm down there, draft guru.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 5 @ 10:14 AM ET
Good point. You just aren't going to win too many games on the road against top teams and/or red hot teams without your goalie making some 10 bell/momentum changing saves. Mrazek came up short in that dept, especially on Saturday. Yesterday though, it might not have mattered who was in our net, the Flyers just played a very poor game in pretty much all 3 zones.
- BiggE



Mrazek was bad. That's going to happen. I wouldn't have started him yesterday, but I understand why Hak went that route. The whole team needs to step up on Wednesday. This type of competition is exactly what they need. They were a mess in their own end and they had a goalie who didn't bail them out. They really have picked up some bad habits in the last few games, with the amount of give a ways increasing by the game....time to tighten up the ship.
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Mar 5 @ 10:14 AM ET
Appreciate your description of these players! Any thoughts on whether Hexy would package both first rounders to move up into the top 10? Would it even be worth it?
- aantny88


Unless you're getting into the top 4, I really don't think it'd be worth it to trade up too far.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 5 @ 10:15 AM ET
It didn't help that we never really got any momentum saves in either game. It seems like Mrazek couldn't come up with the big save when we really needed him to.

Sometimes you need the goalie to stone that breakaway. I understand it's better to not have the breakaway to begin with, but in the end it's the elite goalies that bail you out when the breakdowns occur, that is what makes them elite.

- MBFlyerfan


Truer words have never been spoken. He's been playing poorly since the Carolina game and when the goalie isn't making routine stops, let alone momentum saves, it can negatively impact the mindset of the players in front of him. When you score 6 goals on Vasilevsky, that should be an automatic win. What really sucked was even though he let in 6, he was still better than Mrazek, especially in the OT.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 5 @ 10:17 AM ET
Mrazek was bad. That's going to happen. I wouldn't have started him yesterday, but I understand why Hak went that route. The whole team needs to step up on Wednesday. This type of competition is exactly what they need. They were a mess in their own end and they had a goalie who didn't bail them out. They really have picked up some bad habits in the last few games, with the amount of give a ways increasing by the game....time to tighten up the ship.
- landros 2


Here's to hoping that playing Pitt brings out the best in them. It usually does! Would certainly help if Simmer is back and Sanheim is called up (MacDonald/Oduya unable to go).
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 5 @ 10:17 AM ET
I'm trying to forget this weekend so I'm going to take a quick look at some intriguing prospects that may be available if the Blues pick ends up in that 11-13 range.
This is not in any order of preference:

Quinton Hughes D 5'10 175
Yeah, he's small, but that's about the only drawback there is with this guy. He is an excellent skater with fantastic puck skills and the smarts to take over and control a game from the back end.

Evan Bouchard D 6'2 192
He's still filling out and needs to get stronger but he is the complete package. Not as dynamic as Hughes, but he just does everything very well. He's extremely start and very advanced defensively for his age. He also has very good skills and wheels and by all scouts accounts that I have seen, an A+ work ethic too.

Rasmus Kupari C 5'11 165
Kupari has fantastic puck skills, a good shot along with very good wheels and hockey sense. As with most kids, he needs to get stronger, but he's pretty close to can't miss when it comes to being, at the very least, a solid NHL forward with solid top 6 potential.

Joel Farabee LW 5'11 161
This kids simply has off the charts hockey sense and smarts and if he were a little bigger and stronger would likely be going in the top 5. He's blessed with great wheels and very good skills and with his smarts, he's pretty much a can't miss prospect. He's got top 6, and potentially top line winger ability.

Isac Lundestrom C 6'0 185
Another guy with great hockey sense and smarts who already plays a complete, mature game. He also is a very good skater with very good skills and good size too.

What I like about all of these guys is each and every one is rated between very high and off the chart when it comes to hockey sense and smarts. All are also good to excellent skaters and all have good to excellent skills. I'd be happy to see any of these guys added to our prospect pool.

- BiggE



the way the Flyers pick who knows....Frost was considered a second rounder. Konecny a top 15!!! Sanheim and Morin were both considered late first round guys. It does appear that with some luck they will have a couple picks in the 14-22 pick range and should add to their stable of solid prospects.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 5 @ 10:21 AM ET
Bouwmeester gone for the season...that's is going to hurt Blues for sure.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 5 @ 10:31 AM ET
Appreciate your description of these players! Any thoughts on whether Hexy would package both first rounders to move up into the top 10? Would it even be worth it?
- aantny88

Not in this draft. Wouldn't be worth moving up unless you're going to get into the top three and it's likely going to take Simmonds or a blue chip prospect in addition to our 2 1st's to get there. And Dahlin is out of the question. Whoever goes number one is taking him. That leaves Zadina and Svechnikov. Imo neither are worth giving up that much for.

Assuming we get the Blues pick I really like Farabee and Denisenko. With our pick I don't love the idea of taking yet another D man in the 1st with Sanhiem, Morning & Myers already knocking on the door but it may just be the best player available given the lack of 1st round forward talent in this draft.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 5 @ 10:34 AM ET
Calm down there, draft guru.
- jmatchett383

are you stalking the stalker?

so meta!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 5 @ 10:34 AM ET
Bubble team gonna bubble, no reason for fretting.

I know you will, but there's really no reason to.

But go ahead.

Fret.

Fret until your heart is content.

Fret away.

Fret away, my friends.
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