Dahlin at 18 and entry level money>>>OEL at massive extension, were a few years away anyways. Dahlin could very well end up the better player too.
- Sabresfan-365

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Cong said, it never happens anyway. I think the Sedins were the closest thing to it

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Cong said, it never happens anyway. I think the Sedins were the closest thing to it
- jcragcrumple

i can see the allure of the concept, but its the same temptation that did murray in (speeding things up).

I don't hate the idea. Say we're #1 and the Coyotes are 2.

OEL(has to be open to an extension), Domi and 2 for #1?

Full disclosure, I've never watched Dahlin play
- jcragcrumple

The Yotes would never do that though

I doubt they’d even do OEL + their pick for #1
Even just Domi + #2 for Dahlin might be a stretch

The Yotes would never do that though

I doubt they’d even do OEL + their pick for #1
Even just Domi + #2 for Dahlin might be a stretch
- jdfitz77

I would definitely do that if i were the yotes. you get the best player in the deal and form a dahlin-ekman larsson pairing? seems like a huge win.

Dahlin at 18 and entry level money>>>OEL at massive extension, were a few years away anyways. Dahlin could very well end up the better player too.
- Sabresfan-365

Sure but the debate was always is Dahlin>>>> OEL+Domi+whomever is drafted at 2?

Dahlin is the better talent (arguably) but one player doesn't instantly change the fact that this franchise doesn't have a winger to play with Eichel and doesn't have a true #1 defensemen

A trade like this would get you a true number 1 defensemen and 2 wingers that could play with Eichel

I am not saying I would make the trade but I would definitely be open to it

Dahlin at 18 and entry level money>>>OEL at massive extension, were a few years away anyways. Dahlin could very well end up the better player too.
- Sabresfan-365

Kinda crazy to predict it now,
but i do think Dahlin will be better than OEL

Although OEL might look even better on his next team

I would definitely do that if i were the yotes. you get the best player in the deal and form a dahlin-ekman larsson pairing? seems like a huge win.
- Sabresfan-365

Leaves them void of talent up front though

Actually...
idk why the Yotes would even want to trade up?

Sign OEL, then add one of the top wingers to help their offense

Sure but the debate was always is Dahlin>>>> OEL+Domi+whomever is drafted at 2?

Dahlin is the better talent (arguably) but one player doesn't instantly change the fact that this franchise doesn't have a winger to play with Eichel and doesn't have a true #1 defensemen

A trade like this would get you a true number 1 defensemen and 2 wingers that could play with Eichel

I am not saying I would make the trade but I would definitely be open to it
- Stripes77

Id still say that it is. we're talking about a guy that could be more impactful than eichel. there are very few deals id consider.

Id still say that it is. we're talking about a guy that could be more impactful than eichel. there are very few deals id consider.
- Sabresfan-365

Dahlin would be what the equivalent of having Karlsson?

OEL is a 45-55 point defensemen (maybe even more playing on a team with Eichel)
Domi should be a 20 goal scorer
Whoever drafted at 2 should be a 25-30 goal scorer

IDK you'd get a cost protected winger for 3 years
A stud defensemen (the contract is the tricky part I agree)
A 2nd line winger

or one Erik Karlsson cost protected for 3 years

What if you did something like OEL Domi and 2nd overall for Bogo and 1st overall?

Dahlin would be what the equivalent of having Karlsson?

OEL is a 45-55 point defensemen (maybe even more playing on a team with Eichel)
Domi should be a 20 goal scorer
Whoever drafted at 2 should be a 25-30 goal scorer

IDK you'd get a cost protected winger for 3 years
A stud defensemen (the contract is the tricky part I agree)
A 2nd line winger

or one Erik Karlsson cost protected for 3 years

What if you did something like OEL Domi and 2nd overall for Bogo and 1st overall?
- Stripes77

You've tailored this pitch correctly, A-

You've tailored this pitch correctly, A-
- Sabresfan-365

I know

You'd be all over this deal then!

I know

You'd be all over this deal then!
- Stripes77

i mean, probably. There's just something about having that "next" one and the high end talent.

OEL is legit but if we're talking Karlsson 2.0...God thats hard to pass up on even if it rids us of bogo.

i mean, probably. There's just something about having that "next" one and the high end talent.

OEL is legit but if we're talking Karlsson 2.0...God thats hard to pass up on even if it rids us of bogo.
- Sabresfan-365

Well think of the type of package Ottawa would want for Karlsson

I get the entire cost controlled thing for 3 years especially with the teams salary issue with players like Moulson and Bogo still on the cap.

I am try to speed it up (but not giving away the farm) in the process.

You'd get Domi to play with Eichel and OEL to take over Risto's minutes plus a top prospect in the draft (1st forward taken)

Then of course not having Bogo here

Believe me taking Dahlin would be huge and probably the way I would go, but if Botterill is this cap genius this would be one helluva way to get more high end talent here and shed a bad contract.

Well think of the type of package Ottawa would want for Karlsson

I get the entire cost controlled thing for 3 years especially with the teams salary issue with players like Moulson and Bogo still on the cap.

I am try to speed it up (but not giving away the farm) in the process.

You'd get Domi to play with Eichel and OEL to take over Risto's minutes plus a top prospect in the draft (1st forward taken)

Then of course not having Bogo here

Believe me taking Dahlin would be huge and probably the way I would go, but if Botterill is this cap genius this would be one helluva way to get more high end talent here and shed a bad contract.
- Stripes77

For me the sticking point would be OEL's potential contract. I see the team being a few years away even with this move so you've to wonder what you're paying and for what type of production.

if OEL asks for Eichel money, and this team starts competing when he's 28 or 29, how many 10 million dollar(or thereabouts) type of years are you getting from him. 2? 3 max maybe?

Edit: My hate for bogo is making it a lot easier though

Dahlin would be what the equivalent of having Karlsson?

OEL is a 45-55 point defensemen (maybe even more playing on a team with Eichel)
Domi should be a 20 goal scorer
Whoever drafted at 2 should be a 25-30 goal scorer

IDK you'd get a cost protected winger for 3 years
A stud defensemen (the contract is the tricky part I agree)
A 2nd line winger

or one Erik Karlsson cost protected for 3 years

What if you did something like OEL Domi and 2nd overall for Bogo and 1st overall?
- Stripes77

Sure...
but i can’t imagine any way ARZ would do anything even close to that

For me the sticking point would be OEL's potential contract. I see the team being a few years away even with this move so you've to wonder what you're paying and for what type of production.

if OEL asks for Eichel money, and this team starts competing when he's 28 or 29, how many 10 million dollar(or thereabouts) type of years are you getting from him. 2? 3 max maybe?

Edit: My hate for bogo is making it a lot easier though
- Sabresfan-365

For sure the contract part with OEL is tricky

Say you're able to negotiate would 8 years $8 million per for OEL make it better?

Basically $2.85 million more than Bogo

Granted I am not sure that would get it done for OEL but I think that would be a good price to get him at.

Sure...
but i can’t imagine any way ARZ would do anything even close to that
- jdfitz77

Probably not but if they want 1st overall they have to pay the price

For sure the contract part with OEL is tricky

Say you're able to negotiate would 8 years $8 million per for OEL make it better?

Basically $2.85 million more than Bogo

Granted I am not sure that would get it done for OEL but I think that would be a good price to get him at.
- Stripes77

Yeah that probably makes it better. Helps us realize why these deals are few and far between. Lots of things have to go right

Yeah that probably makes it better. Helps us realize why these deals are few and far between. Lots of things have to go right
- Sabresfan-365

For sure, but until now and the draft lottery this is all we have to talk about

For sure, but until now and the draft lottery this is all we have to talk about
- Stripes77

save the date, this place is going nuclear. You already know which posters are going to say what

save the date, this place is going nuclear. You already know which posters are going to say what
- Sabresfan-365

It's going to suck when Ottawa, Montreal, Edmonton or hell Chicago wins the lottery

save the date, this place is going nuclear. You already know which posters are going to say what
- Sabresfan-365

You talking smack about ROR?!? 😝

You talking smack about ROR?!? 😝
- jcragcrumple

ROR has nothing to do with the lottery silly. Although without him we might have laine or mathews...oops did it anyways

It's going to suck when Ottawa, Montreal, Edmonton or hell Chicago wins the lottery
- Stripes77

I can stomach any of them winning it except Edmonton. That one might cause me to vomit

Probably not but if they want 1st overall they have to pay the price
- Stripes77

I don’t think it even makes sense for ARZ to want to trade up though

If they just keep OEL, they’re set in defense
Then just draft whichever Winger they like best to help up front