What teams miss the playoffs if Chicago gets in? Wonder if divergent opinion on this.....who gets in, who golfs early

Contract wise- he's more expensive than seabrook. (same age)

I would assume Seabrook would be going the other way to balance Cap. (Obviously with other pieces to make the deal worthwhile to MTL).

He would be an upgrade in my opinion. Hes not Weber from 3-4 years ago, but Seabrook isnt Seabs from 3-4 years ago, so still and upgrade.

Not sure that contract is the right one to add though, even though Weber is a damn fine defenseman.
- gnosox1986

I agree he is but that goes against what they want in terms of young and fast. I just don't think it would be a good trade. Now someone like Trouba or Hannifin I'm down for that even though its a pipe dream.

What teams miss the playoffs if Chicago gets in? Wonder if divergent opinion on this.....who gets in, who golfs early
- jhawk59

My top 8

Nashville
Winnipeg
Dallas
Vegas
Calgary
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Chicago

That's right. I have the Blues bombing right out of the playoffs!

people complain about seabrook, but want to get shea weber and his contract? His contract goes for another 8 years I believe with a higher cap hit than seabrook.

isn't weber currently out due to injury also?

My top 8

Nashville
Winnipeg
Dallas
Vegas
Calgary
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Chicago

That's right. I have the Blues bombing right out of the playoffs!
- Hawks_49

#8 would be the ideal position which would throw us against Pacific Division teams for at least 2 rounds.
So tonite a team needing to win goes against a team needing to lose. Hope things work out for both.

people complain about seabrook, but want to get shea weber and his contract? His contract goes for another 8 years I believe with a higher cap hit than seabrook.

isn't weber currently out due to injury also?
- frafra

Nobody said they wanted to get Shea Weber. It was a question that was raised and discussed and everyone agreed it would not be a good idea due to that contract.

Panarin has 41 points in just 50 games with almost no supporting cast. Other teams are free to focus on him because nobody else is a big threat to score. Probably have at least 50 points if he was still here. Worth 5 or 6 more wins. Really smart move by Columbus.I believe every other team would have traded for Panarin if they could give up only half of what he is worth like Columbus did. Really terrible move by Bowman. Exposes Bowman. You don't break up the highest scoring line in hockey because you just may have to wait 40 years for another one. Guys who supported this trade got what they asked for and have no right to complain now.

Panarin has 41 points in just 50 games with almost no supporting cast. Other teams are free to focus on him because nobody else is a big threat to score. Probably have at least 50 points if he was still here. Worth 5 or 6 more wins. Really smart move by Columbus.I believe every other team would have traded for Panarin if they could give up only half of what he is worth like Columbus did. Really terrible move by Bowman. Exposes Bowman. You don't break up the highest scoring line in hockey because you just may have to wait 40 years for another one. Guys who supported this trade got what they asked for and have no right to complain now.
- Savoy

It's been half a season. Get off your Panarin soapbox. It's old.

Panarin has 41 points in just 50 games with almost no supporting cast. Other teams are free to focus on him because nobody else is a big threat to score. Probably have at least 50 points if he was still here. Worth 5 or 6 more wins. Really smart move by Columbus.I believe every other team would have traded for Panarin if they could give up only half of what he is worth like Columbus did. Really terrible move by Bowman. Exposes Bowman. You don't break up the highest scoring line in hockey because you just may have to wait 40 years for another one. Guys who supported this trade got what they asked for and have no right to complain now.
- Savoy

Hard to argue that the trade has been a complete bust to this point. I don't think Saad can play any worse, and the first week of the season it looked like a great move for the Hawks. I still maintain that with better cap management Hawks should have never traded Saad and would have both Saad and Panarin today instead of 3rd line $4.5mil Anisimov.

Hey Justin have you heard anything relating to the Hawks having interest in Shea Weber. Does his contract fit? Does anyone know how old he is?. Do you think he would upgrade our defense
- BGKarras

This is an Ek rumour FWIW. I can't see how let alone why.

Hard to argue that the trade has been a complete bust to this point. I don't think Saad can play any worse, and the first week of the season it looked like a great move for the Hawks. I still maintain that with better cap management Hawks should have never traded Saad and would have both Saad and Panarin today instead of 3rd line $4.5mil Anisimov.
- EnzoD

If the Hawks pull of this playoff push riding Forsberg, then it looks like a pretty good trade, but the trade to me is more about 2 years from now. Maybe Forsberg is the guy in net by that time? Maybe Panarin is asking 9 million. Saad will probably bounce back.

Panarin has 41 points in just 50 games with almost no supporting cast. Other teams are free to focus on him because nobody else is a big threat to score. Probably have at least 50 points if he was still here. Worth 5 or 6 more wins. Really smart move by Columbus.I believe every other team would have traded for Panarin if they could give up only half of what he is worth like Columbus did. Really terrible move by Bowman. Exposes Bowman. You don't break up the highest scoring line in hockey because you just may have to wait 40 years for another one. Guys who supported this trade got what they asked for and have no right to complain now.
- Savoy

Teravainen and Panarin have both hit the 40 point mark already this season. Kane's the only guy on the Hawks with better numbers.

Worth noting that both of them have 28 points 5 on 5. Only Toews and Kane have as many or more.

If the Hawks pull of this playoff push riding Forsberg, then it looks like a pretty good trade, but the trade to me is more about 2 years from now. Maybe Forsberg is the guy in net by that time? Maybe Panarin is asking 9 million. Saad will probably bounce back.
- breadbag

At the time I liked the trade but hated seeing Panarin go. At his current/past production, Panarin is probably looking for 8x$8mil. Given Hossa's cap hit off the books and an expected significant rise in the Salary Cap, it may have been feasible to keep 72. Oh well, what's done is done and maybe Kaner can call his comrade in 2 summers and talk him into coming back (if the cap$$ works).

At the time I liked the trade but hated seeing Panarin go. At his current/past production, Panarin is probably looking for 8x$8mil. Given Hossa's cap hit off the books and an expected significant rise in the Salary Cap, it may have been feasible to keep 72. Oh well, what's done is done and maybe Kaner can call his comrade in 2 summers and talk him into coming back (if the cap$$ works).
- EnzoD

Saad-Toews-Duclair
Panarin-Schmatlz-Kane
ADB-AA-Hino
Hayden-Kampf-Hartman

Be still my beating heart.

This is an Ek rumour FWIW. I can't see how let alone why.
- Rota's Rooter

Yeah I know take it with a grain of salt. Just odd that we would even be mentioned but who knows stranger things have happened. For better or worse Stan may have trick up his sleeve.

At the time I liked the trade but hated seeing Panarin go. At his current/past production, Panarin is probably looking for 8x$8mil. Given Hossa's cap hit off the books and an expected significant rise in the Salary Cap, it may have been feasible to keep 72. Oh well, what's done is done and maybe Kaner can call his comrade in 2 summers and talk him into coming back (if the cap$$ works).
- EnzoD

Complete speculation on my part, but I wonder how much of the trade had to do with the coaching staff. I recall an article after Panarin's first NHL season where he admitted to not really understanding what the coaches wanted at times and that Anisimov wasn't bridging the communication gap a lot of the time. I think Panarin said he just went out and "played his game". If that is true, I could see it being a factor, especially when a team is under the microscope and people are looking for scapegoats.

Yeah I know take it with a grain of salt. Just odd that we would even be mentioned but who knows stranger things have happened. For better or worse Stan may have trick up his sleeve.
- BGKarras

Seabrook + Hossa + Anisimov + 3rd for Weber and Danault

Say it ain't so neighbors to the north.....

http://thehill.com/blogs/...-anthem-to-make-it-gender

At the time I liked the trade but hated seeing Panarin go. At his current/past production, Panarin is probably looking for 8x$8mil. Given Hossa's cap hit off the books and an expected significant rise in the Salary Cap, it may have been feasible to keep 72. Oh well, what's done is done and maybe Kaner can call his comrade in 2 summers and talk him into coming back (if the cap$$ works).
- EnzoD

IMO the Hawks could have had BOTH players if Bowman had paid Saad the first time. Another point is wondering how many more points Kane would have now if Panarin was still here. How about Anisimov? The roster changes many times within a year so money likely would have been made available during that time.

Complete speculation on my part, but I wonder how much of the trade had to do with the coaching staff. I recall an article after Panarin's first NHL season where he admitted to not really understanding what the coaches wanted at times and that Anisimov wasn't bridging the communication gap a lot of the time. I think Panarin said he just went out and "played his game". If that is true, I could see it being a factor, especially when a team is under the microscope and people are looking for scapegoats.
- breadbag

I view the trade as Panarin being the scapegoat for the "softness" and "no pushback" in the Nashville series. In reality, every single player was responsible for that pathetic effort. Still can't believe that Hossa turned that puck over in game 4....anyway I digress.

Like you said, if Forsberg turns out to be the the Hawks goalie of the future, the trade looks very good for the Hawks long term with Saad's 4 years vs Panarin's 2.

Complete speculation on my part, but I wonder how much of the trade had to do with the coaching staff. I recall an article after Panarin's first NHL season where he admitted to not really understanding what the coaches wanted at times and that Anisimov wasn't bridging the communication gap a lot of the time. I think Panarin said he just went out and "played his game". If that is true, I could see it being a factor, especially when a team is under the microscope and people are looking for scapegoats.
- breadbag

This is the info I mentioned.

https://thehockeywriters....n-still-owes-tikhonov-5k/

– In another interview you said that once Artem Anisimov translated the coach’s instructions as “play your way”.

– Yes, it was like that. He yelled something from the bench to me, and I had a panick attack. I didn’t even know where to go. So he just told me to play my way. And it worked. And regarding what it means, who knows?

– Didn’t you have any video with examples of how to play and where to go?

– We had a line where we played with pure improvisation. We were given some basic tactics, but first, I didn’t understand the language, second, Anisimov didn’t translate, and third, we had our way to play. Where one wanted to go, he went. It was of course harder during the playoffs. The Blues studied our games and they knew where we were going, we only had like a couple of inches of free ice.

I view the trade as Panarin being the scapegoat for the "softness" and "no pushback" in the Nashville series. Like you said, if Forsberg turns out to the the Hawks goalie of the future, the trade looks very good for the Hawks long term with Saad's 4 years vs Panarin's 2.
- EnzoD

when is Bread Man signed thru? 2019/2020 season - becomes a UFA summer 2020?

Say it ain't so neighbors to the north.....

http://thehill.com/blogs/...-anthem-to-make-it-gender
- powerenforcer

Welcome to the politically correct western world.

when is Bread Man signed thru? 2019/2020 season - becomes a UFA summer 2020?
- glennjpawlak22

Maybe Soupy can recruit him back and cast another season of Soup and the Breadman

when is Bread Man signed thru? 2019/2020 season - becomes a UFA summer 2020?
- glennjpawlak22

He is signed for next season but UFA after that. He could be on the move with another trade by this off-season or next TDL, depending on how things go in Columbus.